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iPhone 15 Ultra - flicker-free option. Please.
Is not the PWN or the flickering, all this thread is wrong as I said in a msg before, if flick was the cause, these people would never had been able to use more than 2 minutes a CRT monitor or an ancient tv or be on the cinema more than 10 minutes.
The problem with the LCD tech is the light source with high refresh rates, not low or flickering, that make the light permanent in front of our eyes, so eye muscles and focus mechanisms becomes adapted to that, creating a lot of problems in the long run. Is like to have a bulb permanent in front of your eyes. That's why this is a new situation that never happened with cinema, old TV or CRT monitors. The more time and more hours you become in front of the phone worse.
Also some of you probably have some mental problems attached to this situation, as do not want to listen about any possible explanation and repeat the same thing over and over.
If you think flickering is the cause, just buy and old CRT and put a movie on it to see if flickering is causing you problems.
I agree. But I did buy an old type of screen phone. Honor magic Lite with LCD TFT screen and it's actually very nice relief after Amoled Xiaomi... I did see an ophthalmologist today. He said eyes ok and no idea about devices problem. And also since covid started I have mental issues (insomnia) and have some **** in my head that caused faintings few times (had it before covid but got me during it). So.... who knows... Guess spending tons of money and try every touch device for my needs it's the only option.
Couldn‘t use the iPad Air 4 (eye strain). Gave it to my wife and she can use it just fine (though she has no PWM or similar sensitivity anyway)
You keep asserting that CRT displays were not and are not an issue, and they have flickering screens. Do a quick Google search for this and see if that stands up. Lots of people have issue with CRT displays......
Also, people used to talk about eye strain issues with watching too much TV or using computers in the 80's and 90's, but it just got dismissed with being either too tired or sitting too close to the screen. It may well have been the flickering.
And now we have a world filled with flickering lights with internal and external lighting, vehicle lights and instrument panels, TVs, smartphones, tablets and laptops. For sensitive folk, we are being bombarded with flashing light sources where ever we go which may not be seen but is most certainly felt.
Why is it I can spend 8hrs a day on an LCD iMac then follow up with 3-4hrs on my LCD iPhone and not have eye strain, but an hour on a OLED iPhone or device with known PWM and my eyes are strained and a headaches starts to form?
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Sure, but is totally different issue, problems these days were "red eyes" so a lot of people needs to use drops in their eyes, the focus problems and eye problems has only appear in recent years with the use of LCD TV, computers and Phones that flick less.
If you want to know if flick is an issue for you, just buy an old CRT and put a movie o it. The problem is that current screens flick less, more hz, and this creates a constant light in front of your eyes and you start to develop focus problems. In a screen that flick a lot, your eye is constantly refocusing, so this problems never happened, but some people develop "red eyes" if you were a lot of time in front of the computer in that time.
As I said, if this problem is important for you, just buy a old TV and see if the flickering is causing the issue. I myself during a lot of years started to feel problems in my eyes due long hours in front of a LCD, this go worse with phones in recent years. One day my monitor get broken and in the meantime I would buy a new one I used my old CRT for some days, and my problems started to mitigate amazingly since day one. Since this experience I have not used anymore a LCD, OLED or any LED tech, I use a projector now and I get rid of all my eye problems and can be literally all the day in front of a screen, because with a projector, the light is more natural, it gets reflected, not go directly into your eyes. If I use my phone, any phone, during a lot of time the problems starts to appears slowly.
My take is that our eyes loose the capacity to focus without the abuse of the outside muscles due constant use of LCD, so every time you need to focus once you loose that hability it creates a lot of discomfort and problems. Once you return into a flickering screen, the capacity is restored due to constant "exercise", so the problem gets mitigated as the outside muscles gets relaxed.
So if this problem is important to you just give it a try, because as I have said in the 80 and 90 there were no this type of eye problems and screen flicks a lot then. These problems have increase dramatically since the use of LCD with more and more Hz and more and more nits.
@Don Jose Luis Grijander: You raise a lot of points, and there is a lot to discuss/argue there. I'm just going to touch on a few items.
1. Each display technology has its own challenges. Generally speaking, your display's lighting should be comparable to the ambient lighting in your room in order to get the best experience. This means brightness and color temperature. (During the day, cooler color temperature and more lumens. At night, warmer color temperature and less lumens.) When this is true, it does not matter if your source of light is a bulb, diode, or the sun.
2. Projectors are not the end-all-be-all. I had a high-end Panasonic projector about 10 years ago, and it gave me the worst eye-strain of any display device I've ever used.
3. The refresh rate you are thinking of with CRT monitors was for the vertical refresh rate (vertical scan rate).
"Flicker" is a broad term in this space. Here is a comparison of "flicker" across different display technologies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CRT,_LCD,_plasma,_and_OLED_displays
1. Each display technology has its own challenges. Generally speaking, your display's lighting should be comparable to the ambient lighting in your room in order to get the best experience. This means brightness and color temperature. (During the day, cooler color temperature and more lumens. At night, warmer color temperature and less lumens.) When this is true, it does not matter if your source of light is a bulb, diode, or the sun.
2. Projectors are not the end-all-be-all. I had a high-end Panasonic projector about 10 years ago, and it gave me the worst eye-strain of any display device I've ever used.
3. The refresh rate you are thinking of with CRT monitors was for the vertical refresh rate (vertical scan rate).
"Flicker" is a broad term in this space. Here is a comparison of "flicker" across different display technologies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CRT,_LCD,_plasma,_and_OLED_displays
Wouldnt that be lovely.
Are we all just sat hoping one year we get a shock announcement of a phone where this rubbish can be disabled?
Whilst we are in the minority we are still a considerable amount of consumers not spending our money on their gear. You'd think Aplple, Samung, Xiaomi would be desperate to be first to announce such a feature to show off. Especially as new features/technology these days are so hard to come by.
They've rolled out new iphones at work this week. Everyone my level offered an Iphone 14 or Iphone 13 pro and I am still with my trusty Iphone 11 work & Iphone 11 personal.
If this article has any truth in it, it looks like no significant display changes until the iPhone 16?
appleinsider.com
iPhone 15 will use iPhone 14 Pro display tech, iPhone 16 gets new OLED
The OLED displays of the iPhone 15 series will use the same materials as the iPhone 14, but Samsung Display is working on new technologies for the iPhone 16.
appleinsider.com
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Thanks for posting this article. That's just the material. Doesn't necessarily mean it will or will not use PWM; although, based on history, I would expect them to keep using PWM. I believe PWM is part of the driver.If this article has any truth in it, it looks like no significant display changes until the iPhone 16?
iPhone 15 will use iPhone 14 Pro display tech, iPhone 16 gets new OLED
The OLED displays of the iPhone 15 series will use the same materials as the iPhone 14, but Samsung Display is working on new technologies for the iPhone 16.
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I've tried every OLED iPhone under the sun and not found one I can use for more than a few days due to the eye strain and headaches. Tried a few android phones too but I've now thankfully found one I can use for long periods of time and only get minor eye strain which doesn't last. I bought a Samusung s23 Ultra and have been using it for a month now as my main phone and am going to stick with it. I know that has PWM too obviously but there's something about Apple's implementation of it that means I can't tolerate an OLED iPhone anymore. It's not a psychological thing as ever fibre in me wanted to stay with iOS as it has been a pain to convert as I was heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem. Swapped my Airtags for Samsung ones and have found cross platform alternatives for Find My, and iOS / Google calendar sync (as my wife is on iOS). The thing I haven't been able to replace yet is my Apple Watch. Nothing in the Android / Garmin world can replace that properly unfortunately. However the s23 Ultra is light years ahead of my iPhone 11 and is the only android phone that has ever come close to iOS's smoothness for me.
A friend of mine is using the previous Samsung watch and it’s pretty smooth. Give it a try. My only knock on android is the kids-like design of the OS.
Sorry i didn’t update. On day 2 I had a constant feeling of small pressure……. mild headache. So obviously sold it quick. At least unlike iPhone 13s with 14 line i didn’t have nausea
Sth else I want to mention again. Oleds are like piss to me with sand. I see more clear on LCDs and everything seems more bright and vivid. I only enjoy OLEDs on videos but on safari/text they feel very meh to me.
Like the OLED iPhones, I've abandoned hope of an iPad I can now use. So this leaves me with the Macbook, ideally the MBA M2 for silent operation. But I'm still reading that some are having eye strain with these despite them not having PWM. I really don't want to drop 2k on a laptop I might have to return, it certainly wouldn't be a convenient return process.
Is anyone having luck with the MBA M2 or is this exactly like asking about OLED iPhones - got to try it for myself?
Is anyone having luck with the MBA M2 or is this exactly like asking about OLED iPhones - got to try it for myself?
I haven't tried the M2 IPP 11" as the UK prices are now far too high for what it offers me. I have tried a refurb M1 and 2020 11" and both bothered my eyes bizarrely. The M1 11" is reported as not having PWM so should have been OK. The miniLED 12.9” definitely don’t work for me despite loving the crisp white displays.
Great news the M2 11" is working for you but I don't trust the iPads now.
iPad 9 seems OK but the non-laminated display and lack of stereo speakers kill my enthusiasm. iPad 10 is an unknown for me but represents poor value compared to refurbished Pro models. The Air 4 and 5 have users reporting eye strain. 🤦♂️
I had no issues with the MBA M2 except preferring the M1 Pro MBP, which I kept.
On one hand it’s boosted my productivity. On the other it still causes me intermittent headaches. My plan is to sell it once Apple releases a 15” MacBook Air or a new iMac.
On a related note, does anyone ever get the temptation to upgrade to a new iPhone then have to remind themselves that it’s not practical to try another iPhone 13 Mini or iPhone 14 Pro since it will only result in the same constant headaches? It’s not like there’s been a fix or even a third-party OLED workaround in recent months.
I keep thinking about trying a 14PM or a Samsung S22 Ultra as these are two flagship OLED phones I've not used. The 11 is great and I'm pleased I have it, but the desire for something larger and newer is an itch I can't shake. I don't follow through though because I'm almost certain it will end in failure and I'll suffer 2 headaches: 1 from using the device and 1 from the hassle of returning.
I can order an M2 MBA with 16GB RAM and 1TB HD for £1809 with a student discount (a £140 saving). It's in the basket but the comments I've read from those still suffering eye strain from this laptop has me on pause. Also with 15" on the horizon, I'm second-guessing if this might be a smarter buy as it will be newer.
I'm still drawn to the iPad as it's an easy computer to manage and use whereas a laptop requires more management (backups, cleanup, shutdowns required etc). As I seem unable to use the Pro models or Mini 6, the iPad 10 is the only remaining option I could give a test drive.
Apologies for going off the iPhone topic, but it is all eye strain related.
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Yes, mine is the M1 11 without PWM and it gives me no issues at all.
When I get that itch, I remind myself of three things:
- Tool - I have stopped treating my iPhone an an entertainment device. I only think of it as a tool now. A tool to check email, make calls, send texts. I have a computer, iPad, TV, and--occasionally--a girlfriend for entertainment.
- Size - I really enjoy the small size of iPhone SE compared to the OLED iPhones. I frequently walk with gym shorts, so the size and weight is nice.
- Price - It's the cheapest option, so I don't feel like I spent money when I didn't have to.
I now have an Honor Magic 5 Pro here. It has an incredibly good display, and a fantastic camera. But the best thing is the high PWM frequency of over 2000Hz. I have no complaints and the display feels just gorgeous. The smartphone itself is beyond any doubt and is in no way inferior to an iPhone 14 Pro Max. I even like the display and camera better. In tests, it is also referred to as one of the best smartphones. I will now use it as a daily driver and see what Apple does with the iPhone 15 Pro/Max. I hope finally something good regarding the PWM frequency. But now I can use an incredibly great smartphone with a state-of-the-art OLED display & camera. The only small problem is android but I can deal with that. I no longer have to use a 2.5-year-old smartphone for this.
What problems did you have with other phones? Was it PWM related?
Because I've seen that the Honor Magic 5 Pro has a good screen, apart from the high PWM and some extra functions to not tire the eye.
But in the end, as everyone's problems are almost unique, well, we go back to the same old thing: buy another phone, try it, change it or not, etc.
Because I've seen that the Honor Magic 5 Pro has a good screen, apart from the high PWM and some extra functions to not tire the eye.
But in the end, as everyone's problems are almost unique, well, we go back to the same old thing: buy another phone, try it, change it or not, etc.