Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[MICHAELSD]

Apparently im not sure iv seen incell lcd company do this

Check this vid

https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/13c1tg4

I would at least assume it entails a 458ppi resolution, so it’s higher-res than the Apple LCD on an iPhone SE. Also, are we sure it’s PWM-free?

This may be a semi-workable bandaid for now if iPhone 15 isn’t any better. A better fix would be a third-party OLED that’s flicker-free, which I do see on Amazon as far as OLED monitors.

 

[snakes-]

I have bought the iPhone 13 mini for testing. Now after some time of use, my eyes hurting a bit, even after i stop use the phone it need time to recover. I have always the feeling the display is too bright even with low brightness.
Does this mean i am pwm sensitive and should return it?

 

[esaelias187]

I would at least assume it entails a 458ppi resolution, so it’s higher-res than the Apple LCD on an iPhone SE. Also, are we sure it’s PWM-free?

This may be a semi-workable bandaid for now if iPhone 15 isn’t any better. A better fix would be a third-party OLED that’s flicker-free, which I do see on Amazon as far as OLED monitors.

The person said he used the phone with lcd for 48 hours non stop and had no headache

 

[Abiyork]

Apparently im not sure iv seen incell lcd company do this

Check this vid

https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/13c1tg4

I am pretty excited for this as an option.

My iphone 11 does everything I need but I am a photographer and would love a more capable camera system. If I can buy an Iphone 13 or 14 pro refurbished and get the screen changed all for under £1000 here in the UK I wont think twice!

Cheers for posting, hopefully the guy in the video will post the link to the screens later as he has mentioned.

 

[Abiyork]

Looks like this is the LCD replacement for the OLED he got for his 12pro.

No 13's or 14's available yet

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[Expos of 1969]

I have bought the iPhone 13 mini for testing. Now after some time of use, my eyes hurting a bit, even after i stop use the phone it need time to recover. I have always the feeling the display is too bright even with low brightness.
Does this mean i am pwm sensitive and should return it?

I had to return the 13 mini last year due to burning eyes feeling and headaches.

 

[MICHAELSD]

As an aside, I ran into someone with an iPhone 14 last night and I could visibly see their display flickering. That 60Hz rate, or whatever the actual PWM rate is, is definitely not DC dimming.

 

[MICHAELSD]

I still feel we’re more perceptible, which is like a superpower or unfortunate skill, rather than it being a defect in us when everyone else can supposedly use these displays without seeing flickering or getting headaches.

 

[1369281]

I still feel we’re more perceptible, which is like a superpower or unfortunate skill, rather than it being a defect in us when everyone else can supposedly use these displays without seeing flickering or getting headaches.

When you buy a new vehicle, for example, you start noticing there are a lot of them on the road. It's just how our minds work.

Apple's microLED iPhone displays better be PWM-free. They are in-house architected and engineered, so we can't blame Samsung anymore.

 

[siksik6]

Why dont people just change the oled screen to a lcd screen replacement?

I've just done exactly that to an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Didn't help

 

[StardustRedding]

I did test the frequency of the iPhone 14 with my new Opple light meter and discovered that on all brightness levels it measures 480hz instead of the by Notebookcheck measured 60hz.

Brightness percentage	Flicker index	Modulation depth	Frequency	Risk
25	0.11	59%	480	High
50	0.10	53%	480	High / Low
100	0.05	27%	480	Low

That’s probably why Apple is sticking with 60hz on the 15 series….

 

[Dejected]

I've just done exactly that to an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Didn't help

do you mean technically ?

 

[Heman87]

I did test the frequency of the iPhone 14 with my new Opple light meter and discovered that on all brightness levels it measures 480hz instead of the by Notebookcheck measured 60hz.

Brightness percentage	Flicker index	Modulation depth	Frequency	Risk
25	0.11	59%	480	High
50	0.10	53%	480	High / Low
100	0.05	27%	480	Low

The flicker is noticeble on the 14. On the 14p not. Did you also try the iPhone 14p & 14pm? The 14p was really good to use for me. The 14pm was not and i once also tested the 12. That one give me really heading right away. The 13pm was alo ok to use for me.

 

[dimitricook]

i will do a test for the 14pro in the coming days

 

[Mr.Simple]

This leaker says that the iPhone 15 Pro Max will have a PWM frequency of 480 Hz 😕

https://twitter.com/x/status/1657872481695457280

I also don't hear any rumors about a DC Dimming/Anti Flicker option. I hope that this will be not another lost year like for the Galaxy S-Serie 😔

 

[1369281]

This leaker says that the iPhone 15 Pro Max will have a PWM frequency of 480 Hz 😕

https://twitter.com/x/status/1657872481695457280

I also don't hear any rumors about a DC Dimming/Anti Flicker option. I hope that this will be not another lost year like for the Galaxy S-Serie 😔

Thanks for posting this. I agree -- why would they change anything now? I think our only hope is when they switch to microLED.

 

[1369281]

Since Apple seems to just copy what Samsung does, I bet this is the future of OLED iPhone displays in terms of PWM:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1657903969589665793

 

[Mr.Simple]

Since Apple seems to just copy what Samsung does, I bet this is the future of OLED iPhone displays in terms of PWM:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1657903969589665793

This seems not like a big improvement in 2025. The Poco F5 works with a 1920 PWM frequency until a brightness level of 55-60%. And there is the BOE Q9 with up to 2160 PWM frequency. In two years the chinese display manufacuturer will be hopefully significantly further.

 

[ryansm]

Apple today announced a bunch of new accessibility features for people with disabilities such as visual impairments. While these features won't help this group, it's great to see Apple support people with a wide array of disabilities!

However I read this which was sad for folks with our disability:

"At Apple, we’ve always believed that the best technology is technology built for everyone,” said Tim Cook...“Accessibility is part of everything we do at Apple,” said Sarah Herrlinger.

I think they forgot to add: unless you are sensitive to PWM or temporal dithering, in which case, go pound salt . It is sad to see this corporate speak about their technology is built for "everyone" when we are simply unable to use their products.

Can I humbly suggest:
1. Apple partner with a quality PWM-free LCD (not OLED) manufacturer and let us swap the screen out. Even if we had to pay extra I could suck it up.
2. A toggle to disable temporal dithering on all Apple products. This is literally a software change, less complicated than the AI-voice software they write today.

 

[asus389]

Are there any quality PWM free LCD screens in the aftermarket that can be used to replace the oled screens? I have seen from time to time people try to do this. But it’s unclear how successful it is.

It’s clear to me that OLED iphones can still drive flicker free LCD screens. That’s essentially what it’s doing with CarPlay. It’s like a second monitor for the phone when plugged in. An iPhone 13 plugged into my car infotainment screen doesn’t bother my eyes, at least while looking at the car screen.

 

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[MICHAELSD]

Apple today announced a bunch of new accessibility features for people with disabilities such as visual impairments. While these features won't help this group, it's great to see Apple support people with a wide array of disabilities!

However I read this which was sad for folks with our disability:



I think they forgot to add: unless you are sensitive to PWM or temporal dithering, in which case, go pound salt . It is sad to see this corporate speak about their technology is built for "everyone" when we are simply unable to use their products.

Can I humbly suggest:
1. Apple partner with a quality PWM-free LCD (not OLED) manufacturer and let us swap the screen out. Even if we had to pay extra I could suck it up.
2. A toggle to disable temporal dithering on all Apple products. This is literally a software change, less complicated than the AI-voice software they write today.

Does Apple not create an Accessibility option since this doesn’t even specifically affect epileptic users from what I’ve seen? We’re a perceptible group with no notable visual impairments.

Still, I would have definitely thought by iPhone 15 there would be some sort of Accessibility option if the display wasn’t flicker-free by default.

 

[Roadstar]

Does Apple not create an Accessibility option since this doesn’t even specifically affect epileptic users from what I’ve seen? We’re a perceptible group with no notable visual impairments.

Still, I would have definitely thought by iPhone 15 there would be some sort of Accessibility option if the display wasn’t flicker-free by default.

To me it seems like today's Apple cares more about doing the money thing than doing the right thing. I wish more than anything that Apple would prove me wrong in any forthcoming keynote, but before I see that I'm going to keep a rather pessimistic attitude. Either I'm right or I'll be positively surprised.

 

[1369281]

To me it seems like today's Apple cares more about doing the money thing than doing the right thing. I wish more than anything that Apple would prove me wrong in any forthcoming keynote, but before I see that I'm going to keep a rather pessimistic attitude. Either I'm right or I'll be positively surprised.

If they voluntarily show they are making an effort to make their products more "accessible" then they won't be a target for lawmakers regulating what they should be doing.

 

[1369281]

We are screwed. Here's why:

Apple to Mass Produce Its Own MicroLED Displays for iPhones

Apple will mass produce its own microLED displays in order to lessen its reliance on Samsung and increase its own control over supply, laying the...

www.macrumors.com

The display technology would allow for higher brightness, decreased power consumption, improved contrast ratio, and other benefits compared to current iPhones with OLED displays.

PWM allows them to decrease power consumption. Apple will always prioritize "decreased power consumption" over not using PWM because a small percentage of people are knowledgable about the source of their eye-strain.