It’s so tempting thought. Face ID lighting fast. Connectivity lighting fast. Better reception. Etc. it’s like showing you a candy and not letting you to enjoy it
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| iPhone 15 | Pro Max | 100% 433 Lux | 75% 210 Lux | 50% 70 Lux | 25% 35 Lux | RWP25% | RWP50% | RWP75% | RWP90% |
| 11.14% | 13.54% | 19.33% | 63.79% | 11.17% | 12.01% | 15.07% | 19.26% |
Update to pwm away table, with Opple Light Master G3 flicker tool ($50).
True tone and Night Shift off. RWP= reduced white point with brightness at 100%.
Measuring tool is placed exactly 2cm above Oled screen in dark room. Under 12% is considered No Risk.
Tool measured brightness in Lux too. Surpringly my 11 LCD was measured at 400 Lux at 100%, 433 Lux for 15PM.
In conclusion 15 PM is very similar to 14 PM, not better. Their frequencies are both 480 Hz.
Why True Tone and night mode off ? I believed those 2 settings that helped a bit.
What are you seeing regarding the regular 15? I haven’t seen any real data yet.
I went to an Apple Store today to play around with them, snd I’m my limited time it seemed fine- but I know the real test is getting it home for extended usage in lower light.
No they improve it a bit. And of course they make it easier on the eye. Turned off only for stability of test purpose.
I have in-depth experience with the Opple Light Master Pro (both versions 3 and 4) due to my interest measuring flashlight outputs (shoutout to r/flashlight and Budget Light Forum), and all I can say is that these are not professional-grade tools. They will be fairly accurate, but they are not always precise. The latest version (4) has some serious issues with measuring the delta u,v (Duv) of light. Just be aware. I’d like to see the actual Radex Lupin results.
Not much can be truly inferred from this video, but there is a clear difference in implementation between the standard 15 and 15 Pro:
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Needless to say neither look like they would be usable, and the respective flickering is quite similar to iPhone 14/iPhone 14 Pro.
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Needless to say neither look like they would be usable, and the respective flickering is quite similar to iPhone 14/iPhone 14 Pro.
Definitive flickering. No noticeable improvement on either device compared to the previous generation.
These new iPhones are truly incredible, and it is like holding the sweetest piece of candy out in front of somebody but when they bite into it it’s filled with pure Ghost Pepper that persists for hours and hours.It’s so tempting thought. Face ID lighting fast. Connectivity lighting fast. Better reception. Etc. it’s like showing you a candy and not letting you to enjoy it
I just ordered one of these on Amazon. Appeals to my geekish curiosity. I'll post my findings after I wrap my head around it. 🤔🙂
I’m still so disappointed we can’t use these devices, and I’m sure I would not want to send back a titanium iPhone with a beautiful display and incredible cameras/performance if I had an iPhone 15 Pro Max in my hands. It just seems incredibly unadvisable to continue using a smartphone that causes persistent headaches.
I’ve tried numerous times, and it’s just illogical since the headaches don’t improve over time and it’s questionable what if any long-term implications there could be.
I’ve tried numerous times, and it’s just illogical since the headaches don’t improve over time and it’s questionable what if any long-term implications there could be.
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As has been mentioned here numerous times, just buy one and try it and return it if it nails you. No biggie. I don't have much confidence that I'll find viewing the 15pm screen pleasurable, but ill try one some time in December - and send it back if it bothers me.
I sound like a broken record, but I’d really like to hear from an engineer about the implication of Apple choosing to sync PWM and refresh rate on the 15 again. They are the only company doing this. There has to be a reason.
It’s confusing since Notebookcheck equated it to be more of a DC dimming-type implementation, but I had a worse experience with iPhone 14 which I only used for a few minutes over iPhone 14 Pro Max which I tried for a few weeks last year.
I’ve been doing research on alternatives and all even remotely modern smartphones are flickering nightmares. How did it come to this?
Actually, I can give an answer: nobody is setting the standard back to flicker-free displays. The rest of the industry follows Apple, and to a lesser degree Samsung. Be better.
Ok, I got my 15 Pro today. In slow motion, I cannot detect any flickering, just like on the 13 Pro. The flickering was very bad on the X, that's what caused my problems. The black band moving slowly through the screen has never meant any issues for me. I will use it for the next two weeks as my main phone and report back.
Welp. An iPhone 15 Pro popped up for pick-up, and I reserved it for tomorrow. I’ll cancel pending experiences and measurements.
Both Natural Titanium and Blue Titanium were available, surprisingly. I went with the latter. I’m surprised I didn’t wait for a Max, but if it works I’ll keep it. Part of me thinks the larger iPhone is too large and I want the happy medium between the Max which stuck out of brand new Guess Jeans and the SE I can barely even notice in a a pocket.
I could barely contain my excitement enough to wait any longer, and I’m sure I’d be satisfied with a slightly smaller 6.1” iPhone if it doesn’t cause headaches…
Both Natural Titanium and Blue Titanium were available, surprisingly. I went with the latter. I’m surprised I didn’t wait for a Max, but if it works I’ll keep it. Part of me thinks the larger iPhone is too large and I want the happy medium between the Max which stuck out of brand new Guess Jeans and the SE I can barely even notice in a a pocket.
I could barely contain my excitement enough to wait any longer, and I’m sure I’d be satisfied with a slightly smaller 6.1” iPhone if it doesn’t cause headaches…
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Never got used to the larger phones. It always felt awkward to hold. I don't have small hands either. YMMV. I hope it works out for you. Keep an eye on those psychosomatic symptoms... they creep up on you and can be mistaken for actual issues. When I realized my Plasma TV had flickering/banding too, but never hurt my head, I started to be more relaxed.
I’m admittedly the opposite where I find the larger iPhone more comfortable to hold, but iPhone 13 mini opened up my eyes to the joys of a tinier smartphone. Last time I had a Max-sized iPhone it was impossible not to notice it in a pocket, which detracts from an active lifestyle. Literally falling out of gym shorts. Sticking out of 2022 Guess Jeans, which I only highlight because I would think that the brand would tailor to Plus/Max-sized phones.
Man, I can’t wait for a foldable iPhone. But really I’d just be happy with any flagship iPhone with no PWM.
I never would have imagined saying this before owning it, but I'm actually happy with the iPhone 11. OK, it's less than a year old for me so still feels "new". The size is fine, battery almost gets through the whole day. I do wish it had a higher ppi and better speakers.
I'm starting to think my pining for a Pro Max is me thinking wrong. The biggest phone doesn't really show that much more content due to how iOS scales, its only real advantage is the bigger battery, but then it has more pixels to push. I can afford the best, so want the best - but do I need it? And is the "can't have (can't use it)" playing a part? Yes, the fear that we are getting locked out of any future upgrade as LCD is phased out is a problem. I really would like newer, faster tech - but this thread is draining me - I don't see us sensitive folks ever getting to use Apple/Samsung OLED no matter how much we wish it. The 15 series is already looking like a bust.
I've been adamant that I will switch to Android if Apple doesn't make the changes we need but I don't see or read any positive comments that there are any differences on the other side of the fence as all OLED has PWM. Perhaps it's time to stop focusing on phone use and get more into using computers to do meaningful tasks rather than time wasting on our black mirrors.
I'm starting to think my pining for a Pro Max is me thinking wrong. The biggest phone doesn't really show that much more content due to how iOS scales, its only real advantage is the bigger battery, but then it has more pixels to push. I can afford the best, so want the best - but do I need it? And is the "can't have (can't use it)" playing a part? Yes, the fear that we are getting locked out of any future upgrade as LCD is phased out is a problem. I really would like newer, faster tech - but this thread is draining me - I don't see us sensitive folks ever getting to use Apple/Samsung OLED no matter how much we wish it. The 15 series is already looking like a bust.
I've been adamant that I will switch to Android if Apple doesn't make the changes we need but I don't see or read any positive comments that there are any differences on the other side of the fence as all OLED has PWM. Perhaps it's time to stop focusing on phone use and get more into using computers to do meaningful tasks rather than time wasting on our black mirrors.
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A while back I found some measurements here on the 13 Mini, and it seemed that at 75% or 100% brightness, the modulation was quite low (around 5% or 7% I believe)- does it seem to you when looking at this data, that the 15 seems similar to the mini in regards to flicker?
I purchased a mint used ip11 last week. ha.
I still have my sights set on a new 15pm in Dec but wanted to get a baseline reference LCD iPhone for comparison.
Do people actually use there iPhone full brightness? I usually have mines half way and only full brightness if I’m in the sun.