Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[PwmMen]

I use it with the standard settings, with 120Hz, auto-brightness, true tone etc.

 

[DJTaurus]

I use it with the standard settings, with 120Hz, auto-brightness, true tone etc.

Screen protector ?

 

[PwmMen]

Screen protector ?

No!

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

Curious as to why the pro and pro max are different?

I have no clue. I just chalk it up to yet another weird situation where PWM impacted me differently with little rhyme or reason as to why. And my experience doesn’t mirror others. This is nuts.

 

[MICHAELSD]

For me, only the Max is perfect.
All other iPhone 15 models were really bad.
I'm still very happy with my Max

Why would the Max be so much better than iPhone 15 Pro?

I quite honestly do want to upgrade this generation and I’d still prefer to be on iOS rather than Android, which is admittedly better than I expected, but even the standard iPhone 15 causes immediate symptoms in a store.

This is confusing since the Motorola Razr+ seems to be slightly more comfortable at 60Hz, and what I’ve read online indicates that the frequency corresponds with the refresh rate. It’s also confusing since I’m not sure whether the standard setting or Flicker Prevention is more comfortable across the brightness range, but that version of DC dimming is definitely not a solution.

Flicker Prevention does however help at the lowest brightness levels, and colors remain similar regardless of whether it’s enabled. There are certainly no complaints from me in terms of color accuracy on either display, which is remarkably consistent on both the internal and external display.

For those that have asked, the M2 11” iPad Pro is just about perfect in terms of sensitivity and has color accuracy comparable to a modern iPhone.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

Back with an update and a thought.
15 PM - best on my eyes since LCD
15 Pro - murdered my eyes, head, etc
15 - not terrible but not PM comfort

I know there are those who’ll scoff at this, but seriously, all of the math, chemistry, numbers, measurements, tools etc are GREAT for discussing and such. But at the end of the day, we want a pain free phone. We don’t need to understand the inner workings of pwm or dithering unless maybe you have have concerns about medical impacts. I say all of this to now say, just try the phones. Start with the one you most want to keep and work to the least. Best case, one of them stays with you past 14 days.

My eyes and experience won’t dictate yours anymore than telling you one has a rate of 240 and the other 480. We’ve seen how many times that these things don’t matter. One thing does. Your eyes. Try them out yourselves.

 

[jimmy_uk]

My eyes and experience won’t dictate yours anymore than telling you one has a rate of 240 and the other 480. We’ve seen how many times that these things don’t matter. One thing does. Your eyes. Try them out yourselves.

👆👆👆👆👆THIS 💯

 

[Heman87]

For me, only the Max is perfect.
All other iPhone 15 models were really bad.
I'm still very happy with my Max

Are you afraid of the software update to fix the burn in issues with the pro max models ?

 

[now i see it]

Doesn’t matter — iOS 17 is a premature newborn that must be updated all throughout the year

 

[kargurin]

Why would the Max be so much better than iPhone 15 Pro?

I quite honestly do want to upgrade this generation and I’d still prefer to be on iOS rather than Android, which is admittedly better than I expected, but even the standard iPhone 15 causes immediate symptoms in a store.

This is confusing since the Motorola Razr+ seems to be slightly more comfortable at 60Hz, and what I’ve read online indicates that the frequency corresponds with the refresh rate. It’s also confusing since I’m not sure whether the standard setting or Flicker Prevention is more comfortable across the brightness range, but that version of DC dimming is definitely not a solution.

Flicker Prevention does however help at the lowest brightness levels, and colors remain similar regardless of whether it’s enabled. There are certainly no complaints from me in terms of color accuracy on either display, which is remarkably consistent on both the internal and external display.

For those that have asked, the M2 11” iPad Pro is just about perfect in terms of sensitivity and has color accuracy comparable to a modern iPhone.

I've found 60hz also preferable though I don't know why that would make a difference. I have flicker prevention on but can't say I have noticed a distinct difference with it off. With the Razr Plus I've experienced a kind of increasing accommodation where strain is less apparent over time though I don't go over 2 hrs. per day. It is not a perfect solution but I'm satisfied that I've found a found a phone that I can work with after four years of using a Note 10+. If I need to do research or spend alot of time looking at a screen, it's the iPad which doesn't bother me at all.

 

[pwm away]

Interesting report about the next OnePlus phone with a BOE display that supports 3,000 nits: OnePlus and BOE to introduce a smartphone display with 3,000 nits of brightness on October 24

Within the report:

The new panel should also support 2160 Hz PWM dimming (up from 1440 Hz in current panels) and Single Pulse DC.

That Single Pulse DC bit is interesting ... hadn't heard of this before 🤔

 

[jimmy_uk]

For those that have asked, the M2 11” iPad Pro is just about perfect in terms of sensitivity and has color accuracy comparable to a modern iPhone.

Please remind me: Did you try the M1 11" or previous models? I'm wondering if anything has improved on the M2.

M1 still bothered me but I think it must be the dithering.

 

[dstow]

@DJTaurus What are your immediate impressions 15 PM? any signs of microwaved eye sockets?

 

[DJTaurus]

@DJTaurus What are your immediate impressions 15 PM? any signs of microwaved eye sockets?

First day was perfect. Almost like using LCD. Today I woke up with dry eyes…… mild syptoms only. It’s usable like 12 pro and X but not completely syptoms free at least for me. It didn’t give me nausea or head pain but i felt like my eyesight is getting tired quicker than normal.

 

[PwmMen]

@DJTaurus
Use your iPhone until shortly before the deadline.
I'm sure the mild symptoms will disappear after 7-10 days.
If they don't disappear, you can always send it back.

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

Interesting report about the next OnePlus phone with a BOE display that supports 3,000 nits: OnePlus and BOE to introduce a smartphone display with 3,000 nits of brightness on October 24

Within the report:



That Single Pulse DC bit is interesting ... hadn't heard of this before 🤔

Below is a website that briefly talks about this single Pulse DC which I think might be of interest to you...

realme 真我 GT5 手机开启“类 DC 调光”内测招募，补齐屏幕短板 - IT之家

真我 GT5 用户更新后即可在开发者模式中找到“单脉冲调光模式”开关。开启即可启动“单脉冲调光模式”。如不想继续使用“单脉冲调光模式”，关闭此开关即可。需要注意的是，本次招募仅真我 GT5 realme UI 4.0（142、143）版本的用户可以申请。

www.ithome.com

As the machine language translation is still abit rough, I have tried my best to amend it with the below.

According to a report by IT Home published on 19th October, Realme has opened recruitment trial for "Realme GT5 Single Pulse Dimming Mode"".

Single Pulse Dimming Mode will support high-frequency dimming in lower brightness, while DC-like dimming on higher brightness levels. This is to make up for Realme GT5's lack of (full) dc-like dimming implementation.

According to reports, as this feature is still in the initial stages of development, realme recommends that only tech-savvy users who are very familiar with the phone and system participate in the trial. This trial will be conducted through a questionnaire registration process and is limited only to Realme GT5 users.

After registration, the applications will be reviewed by the (realme) staff. Upon approval, users will receive the "13.1.1.145 (CN01)" update, and they will be able to find the "Single Pulse Dimming Mode" option in the Developer Option mode. Turning it on will activate the "Single Pulse Dimming Mode." If users wish to stop using the "Single Pulse Dimming Mode," they can turn off this option in the setting again.

It is important to note that this recruitment is only open to Realme GT5 users with realme UI 4.0 (142, 143) versions. Users who are on the Realme UI 5.0 trial version do not need to apply. As the "Single Pulse Dimming Function" will be included in the next 5.0 trial version.

As previously reported by IT Home, the Realme UI 5.0 trial version for Realme GT5 phones started recruiting on October 13th. This version of the operating system is based on Android 14 and is only available to Realme users with devices sold within China.

 

[Heman87]

Today I finally got my 15 pro. I disabled pro motion because this makes me dizzy. I watched 20 min YouTube videos. No eye strain. But I do feel little bit dizzy. I enabled reduce with point 90%. And this screen is so bright!! I’m going to take a break. And try it again later. This has a 480hz screen right? If I keep feeling dizzy. I’m going to try the Pro max. I have a friend working at apple so I can buy with a discount. But it will be available on the second or third week of November I did try the 15 plus in the store. I felt symptoms right away.

 

[Heman87]

Today I finally got my 15 pro. I disabled pro motion because this makes me dizzy. I watched 20 min YouTube videos. No eye strain. But I do feel little bit dizzy. I enabled reduce with point 90%. And this screen is so bright!! I’m going to take a break. And try it again later. This has a 480hz screen right? If I keep feeling dizzy. I’m going to try the Pro max. I have a friend working at apple so I can buy with a discount. But it will be available on the second or third week of November I did try the 15 plus in the store. I felt symptoms right away.

 

[Mr.Simple]

That is interesting about the display for the OnePlus 12. But the description of this single puls dimming mode looks like on Honor 90 and nothing new. Hopefully it will reduce modulation to a good level.

Notebookcheck (german) has now out his review for the iPhone 15 Pro. They measured 240/242 Hz:

Test Apple iPhone 15 Pro Smartphone – High-End-Handy als Ersatz für die Playstation?

Das iPhone 15 Pro soll eine lange Tradition von hochwertigen Smartphones aus dem Hause Apple fortsetzen. Im Jahr 2023 kommen als Neuerungen das Chassis mit Titan-Anteil, der USB-C-Port und der Action-Button. Im Test prüfen wir, ob Apple wieder ein "sehr gutes" Smartphone baut.

www.notebookcheck.com

 

[PwmMen]

Shows that the Max has a better display regarding PWM.
With the Pro, the Hz is lower in the upper area, and no flat amplitudes are mentioned.
At Max the flat amplutudes are mentioned.
With regard to the iPhone 15 Pro Max Display, it confirms my experiences.
It is a miracle that I can use the iPhone 15 Pro Max in the standard settings and with 120Hz without any problems.

 

[DJTaurus]

I am seriously thinking to give it a go.

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[martin2345uk]

Well my lovely 15 Plus has been returned as the eye strain did not go away :[

I’m now trying a 14 Plus, as the 14 Regular I used to have was fine!

It’s all so confusing and seemingly random…

 

[DJTaurus]

Well my lovely 15 Plus has been returned as the eye strain did not go away :[

I’m now trying a 14 Plus, as the 14 Regular I used to have was fine!

It’s all so confusing and seemingly random…

If 14 works for you why do you even bother ?

 

[pwm away]

Below is a website that briefly talks about this single Pulse DC

Thank you!

Let's see if the announcement next week brings more details ...

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

I am seriously thinking to give it a go.

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I think all of us regulars should split the cost evenly with you as we would all benefit from what you learn and maybe it would make taking the risk a little more bearable. I would certainly pitch in.