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Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up
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Yeah I probably could’ve done, but after trying out three phones I thought I’d just play it safe and go back to one I know I’ve been okay with before, only this time get the colour I should have got last time, the gorgeous bright red colour
You could use the 12P and now 15PM so your tolerance to flickering is definitely different to me for example as I cannot use any OLED iPhone for more than a few days at best, and now the iPads are a problem.
I believe in the screen lottery as my current iP11 is fine but previously I couldn't use 2 models I had tried years before.
This lottery has me pausing on buying any devices now as I simply don't want to deal with expensive return hassles. I'm constantly reading daily posts from people who have managed to find that a particular model of iPhone or Android phone has miraculously worked for them to then read from others who try the same phone end up having a nightmare reaction. Now I'm reading posts where people have been fine for months or even a year then start having reactions again. The software updates are a problem as well as hardware. 😞
It would be very helpful to all of us. Just install it. Plug in the iPhone. Click the verification report under the phone icon. And then tell us the section: serial screen number….. what company it says there. And at the end just uninstall it
My experience with crippling (well almost crippling) eyestrain started when I began using computers in 1995. Back then, the only monitors that everyone used were big heavy CRT monitors (look like TVs). Sony, Apple, Viewsonic and several other companies made them but they were all virtually the same.
When I first started using my Mac- I had zero problems with eyestrain but as the time and endless hours of staring at the screen added up, my eyestrain got worse and worse. It was super painful.
Since I had to spend all day staring at the damn screen, my sensitivity to it grew and grew.
Maybe a year or so into it, my sensitivity to 60hz CRT flicker was so extreme, that when I walk into a computer store (Frys back then) and walk PAST the computer display section, I’d instantly get nailed with eyestrain just from peripheral vision of all the flickering monitors.
I bring this tale of woe up not for sympathy but as a warning to others that screen sensitivity can get worse and worse to the point of being debilitating if a person ignores it and keeps subjecting themselves to the visual onslaught.
Be careful people, eyestrain isn’t something to just shrug off and muscle through — it can BECOME crippling
When I first started using my Mac- I had zero problems with eyestrain but as the time and endless hours of staring at the screen added up, my eyestrain got worse and worse. It was super painful.
Since I had to spend all day staring at the damn screen, my sensitivity to it grew and grew.
Maybe a year or so into it, my sensitivity to 60hz CRT flicker was so extreme, that when I walk into a computer store (Frys back then) and walk PAST the computer display section, I’d instantly get nailed with eyestrain just from peripheral vision of all the flickering monitors.
I bring this tale of woe up not for sympathy but as a warning to others that screen sensitivity can get worse and worse to the point of being debilitating if a person ignores it and keeps subjecting themselves to the visual onslaught.
Be careful people, eyestrain isn’t something to just shrug off and muscle through — it can BECOME crippling
Any idea when the extended return period starts over the holiday period for Apple products in the UK? I thought I was happy with my s23 Ultra and had been using it with minimal symptoms until I upgraded to Android 14. I immediately noticed the screen looked different and that day had one of the most horrendous headaches I'd had in months. I got so sensitive to using it that I moved back to my trusty (or so I thought) iPhone 11. Someone said they noticed a difference with iOS 17 and now the fall back phone that I'd been using comfortably for 4 years started giving me a piercing pain behind one eye. Though, with reduced useage recently it hasn't been as bad. I'm now thinking of an extended try out for a 15 PM ove the holiday period as if I am going to suffer symptoms with any phone I may as well have one I like. and maybe just use it less. Though I may just have to settle for my old 11 or an SE and just use my iPad more at home.
Which iPhone is like doable for PWM sufferers under us? I hear mixed stories. Some say the regular 15s are fine some say 15pro’s. On reddit someone even wrote that the regular 6,1 inch 15 worked for them but not the plus nor the pro. So which version of the newest iPhone 15 series is most suitable for us?
Last year was Nov 4th onwards, so any day now.
"In the United States, Canada, the UK, Australia, and select other countries, most items purchased between November 4, 2022 and December 25, 2022 may be returned through January 8, 2023"
I had a similar experience during that time, and in the late 90’s I managed to talk my boss into getting one of the first LCD flat panel displays for my Sun workstation. The difference was life changing; within a couple of days the eye strain was completely gone. If everything with a screen goes OLED it will be like the bad old CRT days all over again for me and I will just retire and read paper books and watch birds.
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Unless you're developing an eye disease like cataracts or macular degeneration opticians are for the most part unnecessary. In most cases opticians just diagnose some form of myopia/hyperopia/stigmatism which everyone can do on their own. They then write a prescription and try to sell you eyewear or eyelid cleansing pads at Apple prices before you walk out the door. Prescription lenses do not and will not improve your vision. They simply assist your vision. Your vision will progressively get worse so eventually you need an even stronger prescription. Rinse & repeat until you die or develop cataracts or something else.
The only hope you ever have of actually preventing vision degradation is by completely eliminating all forms of reading and only looking out into nature for the rest of your life. Reading is the number one cause of vision deterioration because it's purely left/right scanning. Eventually your cornea becomes misshaped and muscles become weakened due to this mostly unidirectional scanning and you develop issues like myopia and stigmatism. No, myopia is not biologically age related. That's why using computers all day makes your vision worse on an exponential time scale. That's why indigenous people who live in nature and look out into the tundra all day maintain hawk-like vision throughout old age. Everyone develops eye issues with age or technology. Technology includes reading. Both can be prevented but never will be prevented because no one is willing to or able to do what is needed.
1. Use the two iPhone accessibility features (red color filter & reduce white point [>85%]).
2. Shorten screen use.
3. Take eye breaks every 20 minutes and look out into the distance.
4. Use orange/red glasses that block blue+green light after 6pm.
5. Sit further away and increase your font.
6. Stop looking down at your phone; hold your phone up at eye level to prevent neck strain which also causes headaches and vision problems.
7. Dark mode is actually more fatiguing so maybe use dark mode only at night and not all day because human eyes are more comfortable reading dark on light.
8. Take some lutein/zeaxanthin supplements.
9. Use LCD instead of OLED e.g. MacBook Air if possible to avoid pulse width modulation. The effects of PWM in combination with OLED displays on the visual system and to some extent the vestibular system, presents real health hazards that all manufacturers choose to ignore.
This is not medical advise. Of course headaches and vision issues could be caused by other medical issues so talk to a medical doctor and ask for an MRI/CT if needed. If you want to also find out if you are developing cataracts or macular degeneration see an optician.
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You have to try them out for yourself. Everybody is affected differently by these screens. For some the iPhone 15/15 plus works well. But for me they are very bad because the low hz. The 15 pro gave me headaches because the bad modulation. The 15 pro max worked best for me. But I decided to return the phone. Because I get tired eyes after a while. I want to use my phone without thinking about these things. You can buy a phone at apple and return without a charge within 14 days. I would definitely skip the 15 pro. Nobody was positive about that phone.
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Im just afraid to ruin my eyes. I used the 14 plus for a while which was totally fine but my eyes were very tired from it. Which phone do you use now? Im currently on the 11.
I’m back on my 11. Try the 15PM. Maybe it will work for you. Otherwise let’s hope they improve the PWM on the iPhone 16
Well I just came from the store, tried all iPhones and filmed them all. The pro’s seem te give me the least trouble, however all off them where terrible for my eyes. The 11 is soo suiting for my eyes. Going home with a headache tho. Lol. iPhone 11 till it dies on me I guess.
Haha I should be apple thankful. This is my 4th year with my 11. I saved lot of money not buying those expensive pro models
Whahaha. Me too. I saved up so much money year after year. We should be thanking them instead.
Now the review of the 15 Plus from Notebookcheck (german) is out. They measured 60 Hz on low brightness but speak about up to 480 Hz that they measured with a flicker-meter:
www.notebookcheck.com
Test Apple iPhone 15 Plus – Das iPhone mit extra-großem Display und starkem Akku
Das Apple iPhone 15 Plus will im Test mit seinem akkuraten 6,7 Zoll Display, einem schnellen A16 Bionic sowie einer verbesserten Dual-Kamera überzeugen. Außerdem ist der Lightning-Port nun auch in diesem Modell Geschichte und wird durch USB-C ersetzt. Ob die Mischung aufgeht, erfahren Sie im Test.
Extended holiday returns now in effect.
Not that that changes much, as I’ve grown in maturity to the point that if there’s headaches I’ve learned that it’s better not to grow attached and just return it. Also that there’s no adjustment over time, and I even had headaches from the 14” MacBook Pro which I had to eventually sell.
Still, worth taking a gamble one more time on an iPhone 15 Plus? I’m open to trying one more iPhone.
Even if it’s still dumb to give up our health to own a new iPhone, especially when this high-modulation/low-frequency flickering could and should be improved dramatically.
Not that that changes much, as I’ve grown in maturity to the point that if there’s headaches I’ve learned that it’s better not to grow attached and just return it. Also that there’s no adjustment over time, and I even had headaches from the 14” MacBook Pro which I had to eventually sell.
Still, worth taking a gamble one more time on an iPhone 15 Plus? I’m open to trying one more iPhone.
Even if it’s still dumb to give up our health to own a new iPhone, especially when this high-modulation/low-frequency flickering could and should be improved dramatically.
I am like you — I want a modern iPhone so badly. Unfortunately, none of the current OLED models will work for us… and there is clear evidence why. I am still in awe that Apple hasn’t stopped using PWM yet. Flickering displays are so early 2000s.
I truly think our only hope is if social media influencers start showing their followers what their phones are really doing… but it’ll never happen. No upside for them.
Even if I didn’t feel effects of PWM, I would constantly be thinking about it while using my phone.
Nothing else to say — just pure frustration.
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