Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[esaelias187]

the links you sent are not your lcd?

If the screen is thicker, does it create a raised edge you can feel and see?

Does the new gasket cover the edge of the glass?

I'll be honest, a flush screen which transitions into the phone body is important to me - aesthetically and feel-wise (I obsess about the small things). I do edge-swipe a lot, so your comment about Safari having slightly less response does give me pause for thought.

better than an iPhone 11 I guess

 

[DJTaurus]

If the screen is thicker, does it create a raised edge you can feel and see?

Does the new gasket cover the edge of the glass?

I'll be honest, a flush screen which transitions into the phone body is important to me - aesthetically and feel-wise (I obsess about the small things). I do edge-swipe a lot, so your comment about Safari having slightly less response does give me pause for thought.

Yes. It’s definitely raised!

Update of usage: i don’t have nausea or headaches. I occasionally get tired eyesight thought. So still not perfect……. i am just pointing it out for those who will take the leap of faith

 

[now i see it]

Yes. It’s definitely raised!

Update of usage: i don’t have nausea or headaches. I occasionally get tired eyesight thought. So still not perfect……. i am just pointing it out for those who will take the leap of faith

Try viewing the screen in grayscale when color doesn’t matter. That’s what I do. I switch back & forth. Probably grayscale 95% of the time.

 

[MICHAELSD]

Yes. It’s definitely raised!

Update of usage: i don’t have nausea or headaches. I occasionally get tired eyesight thought. So still not perfect……. i am just pointing it out for those who will take the leap of faith

I was surprised at first that they were able to do LCD replacements since the design of the thin notch and bezels at least initially required the thinness of the OLED panels.

I did see a red cast on second thought when reviewing the comparison video, but the sharpness seems to make up for it. Apple does an excellent job with display calibrations, so it would be difficult for a third party to match unless they have exceptional tolerances.

I’m going to hold out hope for the next generation, even if the display engineers seem to have gotten comfortable with the current PWM frequencies and implementation that we’re all so incompatible with using.

 

[now i see it]

It’s been 7 years and 15 different models of flickering OLED iPhones - and they still suck.
I’ve given up hope

 

[jimmy_uk]

It’s been 7 years and 15 different models of flickering OLED iPhones - and they still suck.
I’ve given up hope

Yep. No new iPhone or iPad can be had despite having the funds to own the best. And people will say "think of all the money you are saving", but I need technology to operate in the modern world. It's way beyond a joke at this point. The competition are no better.

 

[GlenK]

At the moment I've given up too. Still holding out slight hope for that new SE we keep hearing about but it is VERY slight hope!!! As of now when my 11 finally dies I'm planning on getting an Ultra and an older SE and just spend more time dependent on my AW.

 

[Abiyork]

I would love a new Apple watch but the IOS it arrives preloaded with wont sync with my IOS16 iPhone11.

So I have jumped ship to Garmin. Smart watch and good for tracking exercises too.

I feel my Apple fanboy status slowly breaking apart.

 

[jimmy_uk]

I would love a new Apple watch but the IOS it arrives preloaded with wont sync with my IOS16 iPhone11.

So I have jumped ship to Garmin. Smart watch and good for tracking exercises too.

I feel my Apple fanboy status slowly breaking apart.

These are the links that Apple have tried so hard to create but are easily broken. Now you have a different brand of smartwatch, it might be a tablet or laptop next. Then you're not locked in and the grass is greener on the other side.

Small erosion of the customer base can quickly get larger (Nokia, Blackberry, etc). Sure, Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company today, but it is theirs to lose with simple missteps. I think more users would switch phones if America and the UK were not aggressively blocking Huawei, as they are always chasing the bleeding edge of modern smartphones and are a strong alternative to the iPhone.

I'm very frustrated, as many of you are, and Apple doesn't really care about a few hundred/thousand of their customers. Not enough to change the screens they source or address the weirdness introduced with OS updates. The jelly scroll issue with the iPad Mini 6 did get some press and has obviously affected their sales as they are rumoured to be making changes for the Mini 7 - which is interesting.

 

[kerplunknet]

Update on my iPhone 15 in-cell (incell) LCD display swap journey:

I am still waiting for my Elekworld EBR display to arrive from China. I estimate about 1 week remaining.

Today, I also ordered an "NCC Prime" LCD display and will have that put in tomorrow. So, tomorrow will be my first experience with an LCD display in a previously-OLED iPhone 15.

From what I've gathered, iPhone 15's in-cell displays are a big step up from previous generations. Apparently, they are 1:1 with their dimensions, meaning they do not protrude or have thicker bezels than the OEM OLED displays. (We'll see.) I've also heard that they support True Tone out of the box. (We'll see.)

Two videos you all may find interesting:

• NCC Prime for iPhone 15
• Elekworld EBR for iPhone 15

I've also learned that these LCD displays are 461 PPI at a resolution of 1179 x 2556. (iPhone 11 is 326 PPI, for comparison.) I am very excited to try these out...

 

[esaelias187]

Update on my iPhone 15 in-cell (incell) LCD display swap journey:

I am still waiting for my Elekworld EBR display to arrive from China. I estimate about 1 week remaining.

Today, I also ordered an "NCC Prime" LCD display and will have that put in tomorrow. So, tomorrow will be my first experience with an LCD display in a previously-OLED iPhone 15.

From what I've gathered, iPhone 15's in-cell displays are a big step up from previous generations. Apparently, they are 1:1 with their dimensions, meaning they do not protrude or have thicker bezels than the OEM OLED displays. (We'll see.) I've also heard that they support True Tone out of the box. (We'll see.)

Two videos you all may find interesting:

• NCC Prime for iPhone 15
• Elekworld EBR for iPhone 15

I've also learned that these LCD displays are 461 PPI at a resolution of 1179 x 2556. (iPhone 11 is 326 PPI, for comparison.) I am very excited to try these out...

man thank you so much for testing these the screens look good

I hope its successful and ill be doing the same

 

[now i see it]

461 ppi! Wow. That’s sharper than the 401 ppi old lcd Plus iPhones.
I bet that screen will look super sharp even when zooming way in.

 

[DJTaurus]

I am still waiting for my Elekworld EBR display to arrive from China. I estimate about 1 week remaining.

Today, I also ordered an "NCC Prime" LCD display and will have that put in tomorrow. So, tomorrow will be my first experience with an LCD display in a previously-OLED iPhone 15.

From what I've gathered, iPhone 15's in-cell displays are a big step up from previous generations. Apparently, they are 1:1 with their dimensions, meaning they do not protrude or have thicker bezels than the OEM OLED displays. (We'll see.) I've also heard that they support True Tone out of the box. (We'll see.)

Two videos you all may find interesting:

• NCC Prime for iPhone 15
• Elekworld EBR for iPhone 15

I've also learned that these LCD displays are 461 PPI at a resolution of 1179 x 2556. (iPhone 11 is 326 PPI, for comparison.) I am very excited to try these out...

I just did a quick g search and those NCC panels seems pretty good. Out of curiosity how did you found those 2 companies ? I mean there must be so many Chinese companies on Ali that do the same and we should search for the best ones.

NCC are UK based ?

 

[Abiyork]

Update on my iPhone 15 in-cell (incell) LCD display swap journey:

I am still waiting for my Elekworld EBR display to arrive from China. I estimate about 1 week remaining.

Today, I also ordered an "NCC Prime" LCD display and will have that put in tomorrow. So, tomorrow will be my first experience with an LCD display in a previously-OLED iPhone 15.

From what I've gathered, iPhone 15's in-cell displays are a big step up from previous generations. Apparently, they are 1:1 with their dimensions, meaning they do not protrude or have thicker bezels than the OEM OLED displays. (We'll see.) I've also heard that they support True Tone out of the box. (We'll see.)

Two videos you all may find interesting:

• NCC Prime for iPhone 15
• Elekworld EBR for iPhone 15

I've also learned that these LCD displays are 461 PPI at a resolution of 1179 x 2556. (iPhone 11 is 326 PPI, for comparison.) I am very excited to try these out...

Look forward to seeing the results of this.

DJTaurus is having success with the iPhone 14 but I would really like to upgrade to a phone with the dynamic island.

Guessing you are UK based too which makes it easier should I decide to follow suit.

May I ask how much you have spent? Is it a brand new iPhone 15 or have you bought used?

 

[esaelias187]

Look forward to seeing the results of this.

DJTaurus is having success with the iPhone 14 but I would really like to upgrade to a phone with the dynamic island.

Guessing you are UK based too which makes it easier should I decide to follow suit.

May I ask how much you have spent? Is it a brand new iPhone 15 or have you bought used?

same question here to be honest

 

[kerplunknet]

It is very hard to find any reliable information about any of these incell displays. I asked Elekworld about EBR, EBS, and NCC Prime. I literally just read their response a few minutes ago, and it is interesting:

hello,friend.yes,we also have 15 EBS incell:$77.08; another company actually manufacture them,they are also cooperation factory

friend,NCC Prime incell is EK Pro incell(RJ),that will better than EBR/EBS

I'm not sure how much these customer support folks know or if they are confused, but I am going to try both NCC Prime (EK Pro, apparently?) and EBR.

Hopefully have results for NCC Prime in a few hours.

To answer some questions that were asked:

• I am based in Florida, United States.
• Brand new iPhone 15. (It's being delivered right now.) I've spent a lot on different displays, but I really just want the best. Money is not a factor.
• I found Elekworld from YouTube and NCC from Reddit. I think they are both wholesalers/resellers. (But I'm not sure.)

--

Edit: I have another contact at Elekworld who I talk to through WhatsApp. He is higher up and manages enterprise sales. I try not to bother him because he is so busy, but I asked him what the best Incell LCD display is. He said:

EK Pro Incell is the best Incell screen in the market

He also linked me to this page for a comparison between EK Pro and other Incell displays. It's a few years old, but it is still relevant.

 

[kerplunknet]

NCC Prime display for iPhone 15 review:

• The screen went black one time after everything was put together. The installer said that was strange.
• Bezel is raised a little bit. That bothers me more than I thought it would. Apple silicone case seems to fit, but it's not as tight of a fit as it was before.
• If you set something on top of the screen, like a light meter, it moves the contents of the screen. OEM iPhone screens do not.
• It is less smooth to run your finger on the screen than OEM iPhones. It feels like my finger sticks to it more.
• Color temperature is very cool, but turning on Night Shift makes it look "good".
• Text, when scrolling, is a little less smooth than OEM iPhones.
• The phone is noticeably warmer in hand. I was just looking at websites. It has me worried about doing something with video or making calls.
• Brightness slider is about the same brightness until you go to the very bottom of the slider and then it dims.
• Saving the worst for last: I think there is still PWM. I can't seem to record a slow motion video to see it, but two different light meters are reading ~480Hz frequency, ~21% modulation depth, and ~0.0554 flicker index. Opple says it is "low risk" at all brightnesses. (iPhone 11 and iPhone SE3 are "No risk")

Summary: Based on the PWM alone, I wouldn't keep this display. Assuming it didn't have PWM, I'm honestly not sure if I would keep it.

The Elekworld EBR display arrives tomorrow. I'm going to give that a try. I am much less hopeful now than I was earlier today.

 

[Abiyork]

NCC Prime display for iPhone 15 review:

• The screen went black one time after everything was put together. The installer said that was strange.
• Bezel is raised a little bit. That bothers me more than I thought it would. Apple silicone case seems to fit, but it's not as tight of a fit as it was before.
• If you set something on top of the screen, like a light meter, it moves the contents of the screen. OEM iPhone screens do not.
• It is less smooth to run your finger on the screen than OEM iPhones. It feels like my finger sticks to it more.
• Color temperature is very cool, but turning on Night Shift makes it look "good".
• Text, when scrolling, is a little less smooth than OEM iPhones.
• The phone is noticeably warmer in hand. I was just looking at websites. It has me worried about doing something with video or making calls.
• Brightness slider is about the same brightness until you go to the very bottom of the slider and then it dims.
• Saving the worst for last: I think there is still PWM. I can't seem to record a slow motion video to see it, but two different light meters are reading ~480Hz frequency, ~21% modulation depth, and ~0.0554 flicker index. Opple says it is "low risk" at all brightnesses. (iPhone 11 and iPhone SE3 are "No risk")

Summary: Based on the PWM alone, I wouldn't keep this display. Assuming it didn't have PWM, I'm honestly not sure if I would keep it.

The Elekworld EBR display arrives tomorrow. I'm going to give that a try. I am much less hopeful now than I was earlier today.

Gutted for you.

You never know this next screen could undo all those wrongs.

Thanks again.

 

[DJTaurus]

NCC Prime display for iPhone 15 review:

• The screen went black one time after everything was put together. The installer said that was strange.
• Bezel is raised a little bit. That bothers me more than I thought it would. Apple silicone case seems to fit, but it's not as tight of a fit as it was before.
• If you set something on top of the screen, like a light meter, it moves the contents of the screen. OEM iPhone screens do not.
• It is less smooth to run your finger on the screen than OEM iPhones. It feels like my finger sticks to it more.
• Color temperature is very cool, but turning on Night Shift makes it look "good".
• Text, when scrolling, is a little less smooth than OEM iPhones.
• The phone is noticeably warmer in hand. I was just looking at websites. It has me worried about doing something with video or making calls.
• Brightness slider is about the same brightness until you go to the very bottom of the slider and then it dims.
• Saving the worst for last: I think there is still PWM. I can't seem to record a slow motion video to see it, but two different light meters are reading ~480Hz frequency, ~21% modulation depth, and ~0.0554 flicker index. Opple says it is "low risk" at all brightnesses. (iPhone 11 and iPhone SE3 are "No risk")

Summary: Based on the PWM alone, I wouldn't keep this display. Assuming it didn't have PWM, I'm honestly not sure if I would keep it.

The Elekworld EBR display arrives tomorrow. I'm going to give that a try. I am much less hopeful now than I was earlier today.

Yeah as i said with my JK incell i don’t have the ultimate eye comfort of iPhone 11. It still gives me eye fatigue but it’s better than oleds.

 

[jimmy_uk]

NCC Prime display for iPhone 15 review:

• The screen went black one time after everything was put together. The installer said that was strange.
• Bezel is raised a little bit. That bothers me more than I thought it would. Apple silicone case seems to fit, but it's not as tight of a fit as it was before.
• If you set something on top of the screen, like a light meter, it moves the contents of the screen. OEM iPhone screens do not.
• It is less smooth to run your finger on the screen than OEM iPhones. It feels like my finger sticks to it more.
• Color temperature is very cool, but turning on Night Shift makes it look "good".
• Text, when scrolling, is a little less smooth than OEM iPhones.
• The phone is noticeably warmer in hand. I was just looking at websites. It has me worried about doing something with video or making calls.
• Brightness slider is about the same brightness until you go to the very bottom of the slider and then it dims.
• Saving the worst for last: I think there is still PWM. I can't seem to record a slow motion video to see it, but two different light meters are reading ~480Hz frequency, ~21% modulation depth, and ~0.0554 flicker index. Opple says it is "low risk" at all brightnesses. (iPhone 11 and iPhone SE3 are "No risk")

Summary: Based on the PWM alone, I wouldn't keep this display. Assuming it didn't have PWM, I'm honestly not sure if I would keep it.

The Elekworld EBR display arrives tomorrow. I'm going to give that a try. I am much less hopeful now than I was earlier today.

At this point, is the PWM and dithering now just at OS level? I've seen many posts on various forums that have people complaining about eye strain on iOS 16 and above even with LCD devices. So a screen replacement is not the magic bullet we had hoped for.

 

[DJTaurus]

At this point, is the PWM now at OS level? I've seen many posts on various forums that have people complaining about eye strain on iOS 16 and above even with LCD devices.

Situation is very weird because even with LCD replacements issues still occur. Also as i said a couple of months before i had great issues with se 3 too…. eye fatigue to the max.

 

[Heman87]

Thank you guys for trying these screens out and update us of your experiences. Much appreciated 🙏. However I think I will wait for the iPhone 16 and hope for a miracle. And if they will low PWM frequencies I will try Motorola xiaomi honor 200 etc. I’m not locked in the Apple ecosystem so i don’t think I will try the lcd screens for the iPhone 14/15. I will sell my Apple Watch and my AirPods and maybe leave apple for good. Seen the latest updated with iPads I don’t think apple will solve this issue.

 

[jimmy_uk]

Thank you guys for trying these screens out and update us of your experiences. Much appreciated 🙏. However I think I will wait for the iPhone 16 and hope for a miracle. And if they will low PWM frequencies I will try Motorola xiaomi honor 200 etc. I’m not locked in the Apple ecosystem so i don’t think I will try the lcd screens for the iPhone 14/15. I will sell my Apple Watch and my AirPods and maybe leave apple for good. Seen the latest updated with iPads I don’t think apple will solve this issue.

I also think I will swerve the whole screen swap as I have never had any luck with modding anything! OEM has always been the best for me.

The displays that Samsung put in the S25 series will be what is going in the iPhone 16 - so there will be no need to wait for Apples release. Just read the reports on the S25 - and I put money they will be just as awful for us as any OLED iPhone that came before it 😔

 

[Heman87]

I also think I will swerve the whole screen swap as I have never had any luck with modding anything! OEM has always been the best for me.

The displays that Samsung put in the S25 series will be what is going in the iPhone 16 - so there will be no need to wait for Apples release. Just read the reports on the S25 - and I put money they will be just as awful for us as any OLED iPhone that came before it 😔

You mean the S24? Yes, they also use 480hz. But previous years Samsung used only 240hz while Apple used 480hz. So maybe they can get more out of it now aswell. And another positive thing is they also use BOE screens for the base modes. BOE is more advanced with high frequencys PWM. But unfortunately the main supplier will remain Samsung. I am using my iPhone 11 for almost 5 years now and I had enough of it. I really want something new.

 

[jimmy_uk]

You mean the S24? Yes, they also use 480hz. But previous years they used only 240hz while Apple used 480hz. So maybe they can get more out of it now aswell. And another positive thing is they also use BOE screens for the base modes. BOE is more advanced with high frequencys PWM. But unfortunately the main supplier will remain Samsung. I am using my iPhone 11 for almost 5 years now and I had enough of it. I really want something new.

No, I mean the upcoming S25. If there is any display change/tweak - this will be the display Samsung supplies for the iPhone 16. BOE being in the mix just creates a screen lottery, which ever you get it will have crappy PWM and Apple ain't introducing DC dimming.

Also if the measurements you are quoting come from notebookcheck = they are not reliable or consistent.