Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[jimmy_uk]

Hi guys. It has been a while and I am glad to see the community is as active and lively as ever. It is great to see some of the familiar faces as well. Online community presence for this flickering phenomenon is growing steadily and it wouldn't have been possible if not from each of the individual's collective efforts. Thank you for some of the DMs and reference of me from time to time. It is really appreciated and I genuinely am.

This will be quite a long post as I have quite a few things to update.

Researchers specialized on this flickering phenomenon is on track. Firstly, to inform that current flickering measurement standards do not represent the real world. Secondary, to demonstrate that those with migraine/ heightened sensitivity are much more subsceptive to flickering. Thirdly, to propose a new measuring flickering standard to the industry.

For those that wish to have a glimpse to this new standard, called PAVM(
PHANTOM ARRAY VISIBILITY MEASURE), here are the links below.

SVM showed poor correlation to actual participants scores
https://www.lee.org/flicker/wp-cont...23-lightinghumanfactorsflicker-pnnl-royer.pdf

An early first look into PAVM (table 3, page 9 shows results)
https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2024-05/ssl-tan-etal-2024-lrt_tlm.pdf

PAVM was designed to include those higher sensitivity to flickering.

A PAVM of score 0 indicates no flicker, while 0.5 would be safe for the the average people, regardless of their task activity (I may be wrong on the exact figure)

Hopefully in future, screen manufacturers can use this regulated guideline as reference for producing eyestrain free screen. I believe companies themselves have a make a stricter guideline for screens, for users are staring directly into a light source.

Now I bring the not-so-good news.

The future of the iPhones series appears to be bleak. Should reports of 2025's all iPhone 17 move to LTPO panels were true, then those that had success with the plus/ regular models today would be pushed out of the Apple ecosystem.

The reason is because — at present, the regular models are running LTPS OLED panels, while the pro models are LTPO. LTPS OLED has been in the market longer than LTPO, and allows modification to mitigate flicker.

LTPO panels in contrast were designed to flicker from the beginning.

Tandem OLED, or think of it as LTPO 2.0, was introduced to address this ~ by staking 2 lower powered LTPO OLED. It does not seem to be of help much. Some even claimed the experience was worse than a typical OLED.

As of now, little progress can be made to LTPO in regards to eyestrain. While some smartphones manufacturers have made claims of achieving higher hertz on LTPO panels, they were false as they were simply slotting in more black frame (complete screen ON and OFF) into low frequency LTPO to pass off as higher hertz.

Oneplus did claimed that their next flagship OP13 will be using BOE's new X2 ltpo panel and would have an increased emphasize on eyestrain. However, I wouldn't keep my hopes high. As it does not seem realistic to produce a LTPO panel without its flaws in such a short time. Doing so would have to have redesigned LTPO from the ground up.

Can we call a leopard a leopard if it does not have any spots? This is something good to think about.

Additionally, because LTPO can can run at a low 1 hertz, rendered text may look fuzzy or jumpy — especially to those that were more sensitive. While it is possible to program LTPO panel to run at a targetted 120 hertz etc, LTPO were designed to run at 1 hertz before overclocking itself to 120 hertz etc, according to system needs. A system may still report a fixed 120 hertz despite the screen occasional slip to 1 hertz.

This occasion suddden slip disrupts a sensitive user's vestibular system. Hence causing symptoms of dizziness and poor balance etc. 1 hertz would not have mattered much to LCD panels since text on LCD panels are stable as long as a user not interact with it. OLED however, are constantly refreshing per second, regardless of user interaction.

The Chinese online community are actively bringing up on this LTPO panel concern. Their voice were heard and thus phones like Honor 200 and Xiaomi 14T pro continue with LTPS OLED panels. Phones like the Honor Magic series used LTPO mainly to target the western market.

For some iphone users, following the complete transition to LTPO, the last usable OLED iphone may be the iphone 16/iphone 16 plus.

We are seeing a return of 2020, following the complete transition to OLED. The last usable iPhone was 11, followed iPhone se(2022). In the near future, The last remaining usable iPhone would be the 16/16plus, followed by iPhone se(2025).

It appears that Apple's vision today is spearing toward the forefront of technology specifications. Their priorities have changed. In the past, their philosophy was to design and make products that would work seamlessly for human. At present today, it is looking more like us humans work for products.

I expect this flickering phenomenon for the iphones to persist for the next decade. (If I'm being extremely optimistic, probably half a decade). Only then, will I return to the Apple ecosystem. For I do not see myself obliged to put up with the side effects such as headaches, dry eyes, blurred vision and worst of all — cognitive impairment.

Thank you for the updated information.

Out of interest, what device are you using now if you have left the Apple Eco-system?

 

[Heman87]

Hi guys. It has been a while and I am glad to see the community is as active and lively as ever. It is great to see some of the familiar faces as well. Online community presence for this flickering phenomenon is growing steadily and it wouldn't have been possible if not from each of the individual's collective efforts. Thank you for some of the DMs and reference of me from time to time. It is really appreciated and I genuinely am.

This will be quite a long post as I have quite a few things to update.

Researchers specialized on this flickering phenomenon is on track. Firstly, to inform that current flickering measurement standards do not represent the real world. Secondary, to demonstrate that those with migraine/ heightened sensitivity are much more subsceptive to flickering. Thirdly, to propose a new measuring flickering standard to the industry.

For those that wish to have a glimpse to this new standard, called PAVM(
PHANTOM ARRAY VISIBILITY MEASURE), here are the links below.

SVM showed poor correlation to actual participants scores
https://www.lee.org/flicker/wp-cont...23-lightinghumanfactorsflicker-pnnl-royer.pdf

An early first look into PAVM (table 3, page 9 shows results)
https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2024-05/ssl-tan-etal-2024-lrt_tlm.pdf

PAVM was designed to include those higher sensitivity to flickering.

A PAVM of score 0 indicates no flicker, while 0.5 would be safe for the the average people, regardless of their task activity (I may be wrong on the exact figure)

Hopefully in future, screen manufacturers can use this regulated guideline as reference for producing eyestrain free screen. I believe companies themselves have a make a stricter guideline for screens, for users are staring directly into a light source.

Now I bring the not-so-good news.

The future of the iPhones series appears to be bleak. Should reports of 2025's all iPhone 17 move to LTPO panels were true, then those that had success with the plus/ regular models today would be pushed out of the Apple ecosystem.

The reason is because — at present, the regular models are running LTPS OLED panels, while the pro models are LTPO. LTPS OLED has been in the market longer than LTPO, and allows modification to mitigate flicker.

LTPO panels in contrast were designed to flicker from the beginning.

Tandem OLED, or think of it as LTPO 2.0, was introduced to address this ~ by staking 2 lower powered LTPO OLED. It does not seem to be of help much. Some even claimed the experience was worse than a typical OLED.

As of now, little progress can be made to LTPO in regards to eyestrain. While some smartphones manufacturers have made claims of achieving higher hertz on LTPO panels, they were false as they were simply slotting in more black frame (complete screen ON and OFF) into low frequency LTPO to pass off as higher hertz.

Oneplus did claimed that their next flagship OP13 will be using BOE's new X2 ltpo panel and would have an increased emphasize on eyestrain. However, I wouldn't keep my hopes high. As it does not seem realistic to produce a LTPO panel without its flaws in such a short time. Doing so would have to have redesigned LTPO from the ground up.

Can we call a leopard a leopard if it does not have any spots? This is something good to think about.

Additionally, because LTPO can can run at a low 1 hertz, rendered text may look fuzzy or jumpy — especially to those that were more sensitive. While it is possible to program LTPO panel to run at a targetted 120 hertz etc, LTPO were designed to run at 1 hertz before overclocking itself to 120 hertz etc, according to system needs. A system may still report a fixed 120 hertz despite the screen occasional slip to 1 hertz.

This occasion suddden slip disrupts a sensitive user's vestibular system. Hence causing symptoms of dizziness and poor balance etc. 1 hertz would not have mattered much to LCD panels since text on LCD panels are stable as long as a user not interact with it. OLED however, are constantly refreshing per second, regardless of user interaction.

The Chinese online community are actively bringing up on this LTPO panel concern. Their voice were heard and thus phones like Honor 200 and Xiaomi 14T pro continue with LTPS OLED panels. Phones like the Honor Magic series used LTPO mainly to target the western market.

For some iphone users, following the complete transition to LTPO, the last usable OLED iphone may be the iphone 16/iphone 16 plus.

We are seeing a return of 2020, following the complete transition to OLED. The last usable iPhone was 11, followed iPhone se(2022). In the near future, The last remaining usable iPhone would be the 16/16plus, followed by iPhone se(2025).

It appears that Apple's vision today is spearing toward the forefront of technology specifications. Their priorities have changed. In the past, their philosophy was to design and make products that would work seamlessly for human. At present today, it is looking more like us humans work for products.

I expect this flickering phenomenon for the iphones to persist for the next decade. (If I'm being extremely optimistic, probably half a decade). Only then, will I return to the Apple ecosystem. For I do not see myself obliged to put up with the side effects such as headaches, dry eyes, blurred vision and worst of all — cognitive impairment.

Great to have you back! I was patiently waiting for you test on the iphone 16 series. Did you try the Xiaomi 14t pro out?

 

[Heman87]

So I’m currently writing this on my iPhone 16. I chose the ultra marine color and boy it’s gorgeous! I have a mixed feelings with this iPhone. I’m playing on this iPhone for 30 mins +/- now. And it does feel more relaxed for my eyes then my wife’s 16 pro. But i do feel a weird tinteling in my forehead. And I have been testing my wife’s pro for some days. With the 16pro I got very dry eyes after watching YouTube clips after 30 min but no tinteling or whatsoever. And I also notice that this phone feels slower due to the 60hz screen. And that’s weird because I’m coming from a 11 that also uses a 60hz screen. Despite that it feels so good to have a new and a modern phone with a gorgeous OLED display. Everything feels smoother and better and the sound is so much louder. I’m using the 11 for 5 years now and this is definitely a significant needed update. My wife’s pro does feel and look more premium with the titanium body, AOD and the 120hz but so far I’m just happy I can use a modern phone. I will be testing this phone more these days and will give you guys an update soon.

Im using this phone with 90% brightness and RWP 80%.

So quik update. This phone felt very good in the beginning so i played a lot with it and now my eyes feel very dry. I knew is shouldnt play so long on this phone because im a very sensitvie person. But i just needed to test how tolerant i am to this phone. It feels a little easier on the eyes than the pro. However i still do get a tinteling in my forehead. Thats makes me consider the Pro, because eventually i dont get a tinteling with the pro and both phones are bad for my eyes. And the pro looks and feels more premiuem

 

[Abiyork]

Guy next to me at work brought his new 16pro into work today and I wanted to see how good the camera zoom was, within 1 minute I had eye/head pain.

Thats the quickest I have ever felt it. Two hourse since and its still there in the background.

 

[now i see it]

@from reddit the_top_g
Thanks for your post!
Thanks for contributing!

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

It is great to hear from you! I am glad to see you posting again and providing this very clear explanation of the current state of PWM/TLM in the phone display industry. Please continue to stay active here and on PWM_Sensitive on Reddit. We need more experts like you focused on these kinds of issues. Thank you so much for your continued efforts!

I can try but no promises. 😁. You guys are doing great and are equally as experts. I just happened to have a major related to this phenomenon, thus is more likely able to dive into more insights, and coincidently speaks Chinese fluently ~.

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

Very very interesting, thanks! Is it already clear why iPhone 16 is better than previous standard models for some? Does the brightness modulation in % differ from the 13/14/15?

From what I understand from the iPhone 13 onwards they use 480 hz PWM, but still those models were not suitable for sensitive people (for example, my wife has the 13 and I cannot use it for more than 10 minutes before having some kind of pain in the eyes). I also discovered that all this annoyance for me comes from an inflammation of my right ear vestibulus, so I have hope I can recover.

I am sorry to hear about your inflammation of your right ear. It must have been terrible having to cope with it meanwhile. I hope you'll have a speedy recovery as well.

On the iphone 16s, I did not evaluate the measurements at all. Personally, I think the community has done a fabulous job.

Actually, what I meant by the iphone 16s being the last usable iphones was that it would eventually be the last non-LTPO iphones available from Apple. That would be quite problematic for that group of users that could use the regular/ plus models.

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

Thank you for the updated information.

Out of interest, what device are you using now if you have left the Apple Eco-system?

I am now using a cheap lcd android phone by Vivo. It was a backup phone I bought for work purpose. The flicker measurements were really great (almost a complete straight line on the Opple graph) though the blue lightwaves were somewhat excessive. I got a good blue light filter (those meant for laptops) and pasted it over. That remediated the problem.

I am not on the market looking for my next smartphone as I am still caught up with my other life commitments priorities.

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

Great to have you back! I was patiently waiting for you test on the iphone 16 series. Did you try the Xiaomi 14t pro out?

Thank you! Though I may have to disappoint you that I would not be doing any iphone 16 measurements. I think indeed~ while there were some initial hiccups on the measurement, that was swiftly rectified. I too was initally unaware about Apple's unique implementation of OLED and the possibility of the hidden flicker that would affect us.

I believe I brought up about this hidden flicker a while back. Now we learned that it has a technical name, and it is called "pulse return", thanks to the OP who posted on the Xiaomi 14T Pro PWM measurements.

Something unrelated, but I do know the OP. He moved to China to major in wireless signal communications, did his Masters there as well and had published papers related. The university he has attended was coincidently Sun-Yat Sen university, the unversity mentioned in his post. He appears to be a huge fan of a number of the western signal inventors as well. As those names were commonly brought up while in his lectures. I asked him to post on the reddit community. He was quite the soft spoken person despite his vast expertise thus I asked him to use my previous writing style and format as reference.


I tried the Xiaomi 14T Pro and the Honor 200 Pro at the stores. My impression is that Xiaomi 14T Pro is indeed better than the latter in terms of symptoms. Though it is not as close as my previous iPhone 8 plus relaxing.

If I had to pick between a LCD with inconsist shimmering backlighting; like a Motorola G53 compared to Xiaomi 14T pro, I will take 14T Pro anyday. With the G53, it immediately gave me eye pain within minutes.

I have to reiterate again this is due to me being extremely sensitive.

 

[dannyh5319]

Thank you! Though I may have to disappoint you that I would not be doing any iphone 16 measurements. I think indeed~ while there were some initial hiccups on the measurement, that was swiftly rectified. I too was initally unaware about Apple's unique implementation of OLED and the possibility of the hidden flicker that would affect us.

I believe I brought up about this hidden flicker a while back. Now we learned that it has a technical name, and it is called "pulse return", thanks to the OP who posted on the Xiaomi 14T Pro PWM measurements.

Something unrelated, but I do know the OP. He moved to China to major in wireless signal communications, did his Masters there as well and had published papers related. The university he has attended was coincidently Sun-Yat Sen university, the unversity mentioned in his post. He appears to be a huge fan of a number of the western signal inventors as well. As those names were commonly brought up while in his lectures. I asked him to post on the reddit community. He was quite the soft spoken person despite his vast expertise thus I asked him to use my previous writing style and format as reference.


I tried the Xiaomi 14T Pro and the Honor 200 Pro at the stores. My impression is that Xiaomi 14T Pro is indeed better than the latter in terms of symptoms. Though it is not as close as my previous iPhone 8 plus relaxing.

If I had to pick between a LCD with inconsist shimmering backlighting; like a Motorola G53 compared to Xiaomi 14T pro, I will take 14T Pro anyday. With the G53, it immediately gave me eye pain within minutes.

I have to reiterate again this is due to me being extremely sensitive.

Did you have issues with the iPhone 13 Pro series?

 

[PwmMen]

Tomorrow I will get an Xiaomi 14t Pro, which should be very eye -friendly.
Will report whether it is really as eye -friendly as it is advertised. I'm curious.

I bought it for € 500 in the final price, which is a great price. Technology is absolutely at high end level.
1000 € cheaper than an iPhone 16 Pro Max, and the main camera should even take better pictures.
The main camera is that of Xiaomi 14 Ultra, which is really remarkable.

 

[Heman87]

Tomorrow I will get an Xiaomi 14t Pro, which should be very eye -friendly.
Will report whether it is really as eye -friendly as it is advertised. I'm curious.

I bought it for € 500 in the final price, which is a great price. Technology is absolutely at high end level.
1000 € cheaper than an iPhone 16 Pro Max, and the main camera should even take better pictures.
The main camera is that of Xiaomi 14 Ultra, which is really remarkable.

Where did you find it so cheap? I want to try it out aswell. I’m very sensitive and the iPhones aren’t working for me for heavy use

 

[PwmMen]

I bought it in Germany and it came with the RedMi Pro tablet.
Then there was a €100 discount for new Xiaomi users. I sold the tablet for €200. That brings the total to €499.

 

[MICHAELSD]

I like how they used an image of a flickering OLED for this…

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-next-new-iphone-to-debut-in-the-spring-what-to-expect.2438771/

 

[Heman87]

I bought it in Germany and it came with the RedMi Pro tablet.
Then there was a €100 discount for new Xiaomi users. I sold the tablet for €200. That brings the total to €499.

Maybe I’ll do the same. I live in the Netherlands. I’m really curious if this will be the OLED phone I can use for real.

 

[PwmMen]

I’m really curious if this will be the OLED phone I can use for real.

My hopes are low, as the Xiaomi 14 was really bad.
They also talked about eye health, and I thought it was really bad.
I get along well with the iPhone 16 with my usage habits.
But I want a smartphone that I can use for longer periods of time, even if I don't need it.
But it just feels better when I know that I could do it without any problems.

 

[ghanwani]

My hopes are low, as the Xiaomi 14 was really bad.
They also talked about eye health, and I thought it was really bad.
I get along well with the iPhone 16 with my usage habits.
But I want a smartphone that I can use for longer periods of time, even if I don't need it.
But it just feels better when I know that I could do it without any problems.

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[from reddit the_top_g]

Did you have issues with the iPhone 13 Pro series?

Yes, with immediate issues.

As far as iphone OLED goes, I could only use iPhone X at 100% brightness. While I could use also iPhone 13 (base) at 100%, I must take a break once every 1-2 minutes of screen usage. The room ambient lighting must also match the screen brightness. It is far from ideal.

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

Speaking of which, now I recalled that I could also use the Huawei Mate 10 Pro at 100% brightness. Back then in 2017, I did not know anything about PWM. I just found it a coincidence my migraine would trigger whenever the brightness was not at 100%.

When the Mate 20 pro came I thought I could work around this by using it at 100%, and at specific lighting locations. It turns out it was not effective. Turns out they have introduced this Higher Brightness Mode.

I think Samsung, the largest stakeholder, might have had the wrong idea about our complains about PWM in their panels.

Instead of having a 100% duty cycle, they responded by ensuring that duty cycle is locked at 75% even at the highest brightness, regardless of manual/ auto / selected conditions mode. Thus ensuring that there would be (cognitively) perceivable flickering at all brightness.

In their defence, we cannot call it PWM if the "width" in PWM is not changed.

Below is a Chinese exclusive 2024 Samsung OLED phone running DC-like dimming between lower-mid to high brightness. It was probably the first in a long while. The last phone they had was the S20 FE (tentatively between 80% to 120% brightness.)

It is likely that Samsung were forced to implement again because of Chinese market demand.

Above is galaxy C55. It was also sold as F55 for the india market.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/samsung-galaxy-f55-india-release_id157827

It looks like they were testing the water to get market response. Hopefully we can see this becoming a norm from every of their future panel. Since Samsung is the largest stakeholder as a panel supplier.

 

[dannyh5319]

Yes, with immediate issues.

As far as iphone OLED goes, I could only use iPhone X at 100% brightness. While I could use also iPhone 13 (base) at 100%, I must take a break once every 1-2 minutes of screen usage. The room ambient lighting must also match the screen brightness. It is far from ideal.

So crazy, I can use a 13 pro with no symptoms at all but when it came to the 16 pro and 15 pro max, I could not use those phones at all without pwm issues especially the 16, hoping to have a better experience with the 15 pro if not try and maybe settle for base 16 otherwise just stay with the 13 pro.

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

Sorry one last post by me before I return back to my priorities. I probably will be inactive agaon for a long while.

Do be reminded that flicker frequency is no longer relevant in any non-lcd smartphone/ tablets. The reason is because there are too many frequencies running simultaneously.

The whole point of "more frequency" is to forcefully close up the gaps between each pulsing flicker period.

It is pointless to have more frequency, say even up to 150,000 hertz, should there is another 120 hertz flickering concurrently.

Additionally, how can we continue to utilize notebookcheck's flicker measurement as a reliable source? As below.

The main 2 factors are:

√ 1) Amplitude %
√ 2) total pulse duration (Risetime + Falltime)

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For Amplitude %, the lower the number, the better.

As for pulse duration, which consist of Risetime1 + Falltime1 (above), take both figures and sum them up (in ms). the lower the total number in ms, the better.

[edit]

Depending on the captured wave figure, an additional step is required.

For instance, if the wave graph shows a straighter curve running at the bottom, it is required to take "period1" and subtract total rise/fall time.

For instance, with the iphone 14 pro max.

Because the straighter curve wave is at the bottom, we take [Period1] 4.151ms - ([RiseTime1] 496.7µs + [Falltime1] 578.9 µs)

Therefore, the Rise/Fall time is 3.75ms.



In the below diagram for Oppo Reno 12 pro, the straighter curve wave is on top. Thus we only have to take the sum of Risetime1 and Falltime1.

Here, the Oppo Reno 12 pro Rise/fall time is 2.455ms

For those that are extremely sensitive, below are what I would recommend for usage:

Low Amplitude % with total pulse duration of ~2 ms -> Use it sparingly. Look away once every 10 seconds to reduce the onset of symptoms building up.

Low Amplitude % with total pulse duration of ~1 ms -> Look away briefly once with every few mins to reduce the onset of symptoms building up.

Low Amplitude % with total pulse duration of ~0.5 ms -> Probably safe for use up to 40 mins. Looking away briefly is still recommended.

Low Amplitude % with total pulse duration of ~0.125 ms (125 μs) -> Safe for use for hours. Considered to be Flicker free.

Low Amplitude % with total pulse duration of ~0.0075 ms (7.5 μs) -> Completely Flicker free. Zero pulse flicker can be perceivable.


Those that could use OLED in the past should be alright with ~2ms. 1ms is is better. I remember 1 or 2 of my old samsung amoled smartphone has a pulse duration of 1ms. (if I use it with apps that dim the screen with a layer)

 

[du57in]

That is incredibly helpful. Where is the rise and fall time in the NBC iPhone 16 Plus review?

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www.notebookcheck.net

 

[jimmy_uk]

That is incredibly helpful. Where is the rise and fall time in the NBC iPhone 16 Plus review?

Apple iPhone 16 Plus smartphone review – The big one with a new design and lots of buttons

If you're on the hunt for an Apple phone with a large display surface, then the iPhone 16 Plus may be a not-quite-so-expensive option. This year, it has been given lots of new features such as a touch-controlled camera button, a multi-functional Action button as well as a bigger battery. So, a...

www.notebookcheck.net

Wow - so now 256 Hz is considered "relatively high"......

"We noted flickering at 256 Hz at minimum brightness. It is presumably triggered by PWM, which is mainly used on OLED screens to dim them. The frequency is relatively high and should therefore also be fine for sensitive people to use, especially as the amplitude of the brightness fluctuation is low"

I found the 16 Plus to be one of the worst iPhones I have used as I quickly felt a negative reaction.

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

That is incredibly helpful. Where is the rise and fall time in the NBC iPhone 16 Plus review?

Apple iPhone 16 Plus smartphone review – The big one with a new design and lots of buttons

If you're on the hunt for an Apple phone with a large display surface, then the iPhone 16 Plus may be a not-quite-so-expensive option. This year, it has been given lots of new features such as a touch-controlled camera button, a multi-functional Action button as well as a bigger battery. So, a...

www.notebookcheck.net

Hmm that is peculiar. They seem to be missing this crucial data in their iphone reviews.

I will probably reach out to their team for clarification.

Though I would someone to help me compile a table list of iphone reviews where they did, and another where they did not.

Maybe 5 which have, and 5 which did not have.

 

[du57in]

Hmm that is peculiar. They seem to be missing this crucial data in their iphone reviews.

I will probably reach out to their team for clarification.

Though I would someone to help me compile a table list of iphone reviews where they did, and another where they did not.

Maybe 5 which have, and 5 which did not have.

So I just went through every 15 and 14 review, and only the 14 Pro Max had this data. Not one of them had amplitude. So far only 16 Plus is out from 16 line.