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TDDM

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Oh wow. Heavier despite having a smaller screen? Sucks
Huh? The XR doesn't have a smaller screen than the 7+. It's slightly thinner width-wise, but much taller.
 

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stafil

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Huh? The XR doesn't have a smaller screen than the 7+. It's slightly thinner width-wise, but much taller.

The height doesn’t really matter, as if you are watching something in 16:9, it is restricted by the width. Also pixel wise it’s much worst.
 

Tijdelijk

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1920-by-1080 vs 1792-by-828(with the usable really restricted to 16:9, which means 1472-by-828)

This is 50% more pixels in the case of iPhone 7+

Only video content is likely 16:9
Browsing and apps are not and shows more/same on the XR.
For me I am done with the old design of the 8 and 8 plus.
 

neil74

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I too am really curious as to exactly what it is about apples implementation that appears to make it worse than other OLEDs

I snoozed and I lost on mine, I am now past my 14 days (21 days tomorrow) was close to returning it a couple of times but as it was on the upgrade program I never did.

Anyway I’ve not had headaches so thought I was unaffected but noticed at the weekend just how tired my eyes felt. Have been using an LG G7 since Saturday night and have noticed an improvement. I guess tiredness is less obvious than pain and it is anecdotal, could have been another reason entirely.

Wondering how much mileage I’ll get if I contact support? Doubt they’d offer me a refund now. The thing is I want to keep using an iPhone but that XR is just not grabbing me.
 
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TDDM

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Have been using an LG G7 since Saturday night and have noticed an improvement
Considering that the XR may use the same PWM implementation as the G7, this is good to hear. Have you had any PWM related eye strain from the G7 at all?
 

miniyou64

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The X was just great for me in size, a little bigger than my 7 (and heavier) but the all screen design justify the "effort".

The XR is going far beyond... I know we are talking of a few mm and grams, but everything counts.. and it's always more, a few more millimeters, a few more grams... more and more...

100% agree
 

rnbarg

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I too am really curious as to exactly what it is about apples implementation that appears to make it worse than other OLEDs

I snoozed and I lost on mine, I am now past my 14 days (21 days tomorrow) was close to returning it a couple of times but as it was on the upgrade program I never did.

Anyway I’ve not had headaches so thought I was unaffected but noticed at the weekend just how tired my eyes felt. Have been using an LG G7 since Saturday night and have noticed an improvement. I guess tiredness is less obvious than pain and it is anecdotal, could have been another reason entirely.

Wondering how much mileage I’ll get if I contact support? Doubt they’d offer me a refund now. The thing is I want to keep using an iPhone but that XR is just not grabbing me.
Having had the xs max and returned it, I think the OLED screen makes your eyes work harder.
 

1369281

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So if the iPhone XR has the same display as the LG G7 (PWM at 40% or lower brightness), you all are still going to buy it?
 

Banglazed

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Enable reduce white point 50% and increase by 10 till it doesn’t affect your eyes.

Don’t hold device close to your face when using Face ID.

These will help your eyes
 

stafil

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Only video content is likely 16:9
Browsing and apps are not and shows more/same on the XR.
For me I am done with the old design of the 8 and 8 plus.

Not really. You keep having this unused space at the bottom and top.

Enable reduce white point 50% and increase by 10 till it doesn’t affect your eyes.

Don’t hold device close to your face when using Face ID.

These will help your eyes

And if that doesn’t work just just put the phone case in the front and block the screen completely.
 

TDDM

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So if the iPhone XR has the same display as the LG G7 (PWM at 40% or lower brightness), you all are still going to buy it?
Yep, I never use my phone below that range anyway.
Enable reduce white point 50% and increase by 10 till it doesn’t affect your eyes.

Don’t hold device close to your face when using Face ID.

These will help your eyes
Nope, these don't do anything. We've already tried everything software wise, and Face ID has nothing to do with PWM strain.
 

stafil

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Have a nice day.

Why do people get offended so easily here?

We where talking about pixels and how anything longer than 16:9 of the width is not always actual estate. Hence the examples.

Don’t take it personally. We are all Apple fanbois here :D
 

cornerexit

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Having had the xs max and returned it, I think the OLED screen makes your eyes work harder.

I agree with you. For me, just handling both in a Best Buy, my eyes do not like it, at all. It wasn’t placebo. I played with the Xs and the max both for a few minutes and that screen makes my eyes work harder. The pricing was off putting but that screen r4moved any doubt. I hope they do not do this with the coming IPP.

I don’t want a bigger phone than the 7 in dimensions but hearing 2019 rumor mill, it sounds like they are sticking with these sizes. I’ll have to wait for the Xr to be in the store and see if the weight and/or size really bothers me. No screen of any size is worth eye issues sand headaches. This is supposed to useful, and pleasant.
 

user1234

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So if the iPhone XR has the same display as the LG G7 (PWM at 40% or lower brightness), you all are still going to buy it?

I’ll pre-order so I wont know until I get it if it’s using PWM. If it is, I’ll have to test to see of it’s a problem. I’ll block the Face ID hardware for a couple of days just to be sure the display is the only factor.

I mostly use my phone at 10-20% brightness so I hope it won’t use the same backlight driver as the G7.
 

TDDM

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Curious if anybody has seen this. Is it really possible that there are optimal settings that minimise the impact of PWM? Could explain why android devices with the same pwm numbers do not affect people as much or also why some people have no issues at all on the X/Xs



https://allthings.how/how-to-reduce-eye-strain-and-headache-by-iphone-xs-max-oled-display/
Doesn't work, unfortunately. The X/XS lines all have PWM at every brightness level, there's absolutely nothing that can be done with the current software to completely fix the flickering.
 

austyn23

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Curious if anybody has seen this. Is it really possible that there are optimal settings that minimise the impact of PWM? Could explain why android devices with the same pwm numbers do not affect people as much or also why some people have no issues at all on the X/Xs

https://allthings.how/how-to-reduce-eye-strain-and-headache-by-iphone-xs-max-oled-display/

Yes, I tested this things but doesn't helped me so much, in dark rooms the bright at 45% is suicide.

Also I don't like "tweaks" when we are talking about the eyes...

No Apple Oled for me this year
 
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TDDM

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I was watching some of the new XR preview videos, and I saw this in one of them. Is this PWM flickering? Or just some weird effect due to the way he recorded it? I've never seen PWM flickering look like that.

Starts at 1:03.


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matthijst

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Wondering how much mileage I’ll get if I contact support? Doubt they’d offer me a refund now. The thing is I want to keep using an iPhone but that XR is just not grabbing me.
was able to return my X after nearly 4 weeks last year.
Just call Apple and tell them you've been having eye issues.
 
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