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I got my iPhone XR today. I waited to order it so I could first read about what people said on here about PWM on the XR. Day 1 is over and I have no headaches! I think I'll be fine with this phone. With the XS Max, I had a headache the first day and every single day that I used it.

As for the phone, I like it alot. The screen is the perfect size. I did love the max, but at times it did feel too big. The screen size of the XR is perfect!
 
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I ❤️ my XR and have been using it for several days now. I have these 3 features on; True Tone, FaceID, Awareness. No headaches, no migraines, no eye pain. I use it a lot, was reading part of a book last night on it. I really love this phone and am keeping it. Selling my 8. The display is good enough, not as sharp as the X or 8 and I could tell this in the stores, but I needed more screen real estate without pain/headaches and this fits the need. If the X PWM is addressed in future X series with OLED/LED, I may reconsider it.

I had a full eye exam prior to ordering the XR, and had a digital retina scan done. I discussed my iPhone X experience with her and how it gave me ocular migraines. She seen no signs of any damage, we discussed my retina images on her computer monitor. Her take on the whole thing was that certain types of light, flashing and pulsing affects the brain in certain individuals and manifests as pain/discomfort/symptoms. She wasn’t surprised in the least I was affected as she knows my history. She’s been my eye doctor for 10 years. She thanked me for sharing my experience that certain OLED displays could be an issue for some people and the information could prove helpful with her patients as they upgrade their devices.

Obviously, there is no way to tell long term effects ahead of time from these devices.
 
I got the Xr for the better camera. I do get much better photos on my Xr with far fewer blown out highlights and better low light pictures. I’ve tested the digital zoom and it’s pretty good. It will do. Also, stereo audio recording capability for videos was a must for me.

As for the rest of it, yeah I think the 8 Plus is better. I do much prefer Touch ID right now. And the display is better for reading texts. For movie watching, I did think the Xr display looked crisper. But I would need to do more testing to be sure it’s a clear winner in that respect. The black bars don’t bother me. I barely notice them. But everyone is different.

If it had not been for the offering of stereo audio recording, especially, I would have not even given the Xr a look. Or the Max for that matter. It was the one upgrade I had desperately wanted for years.

This comment is a great example of how the XR works for some people (but does not make sense for others) and how informed choices are the best ones. Here is my take:

Upgrading from non-plus Apple phones: 5/6/7/8

Seems pretty clear that this is a great upgrade w/few, if any, downsides. People in this group are already used to riding in coach w/the 326 ppi screen and sub-1080P resolution. They aren't conditioned to the higher ppi, higher res plus screens. The XR is obviously a leap into the future over the last several generation of iPhones, w/notably a much better camera, more screen real estate, much faster processor/graphics etc. In addition. the XR liquid retina screen has more LEDs and is clearly brighter than earlier LCD generations including the plus phones. The XR screen looks a lot more like a XS screen than it does a 5/6/7/8 other than the text being less sharp than non-plus phones.

Upgrading from plus phones: 6/S+/7+/8+ - if your focus is on content consumption - surfing the web, reading emails, texting, and not a big camera buff or emoji enthusiast, then losing the sharper (401 ppi), higher res and wider screen, larger font, on the plus phones is (arguably) a downgrade, which you are paying $900.00 after tax for the 128gb model. Likewise, if you watch a lot of YouTube videos that are 16/9 aspect ratio and/or 1080P or even 720p resolution w/16/9 aspect ratio, the plus phones simply blow away the XR w/its narrower aspect ratio, black bars, smaller video and of course the notch, which is particularly ugly and ungainly in landscape mode for any purpose.

If you are a current plus user and the camera is very important to you, you don't really care about the trade-off in text clarity (less sharp) display or smaller font size (or you can't tell the difference due to your vision or the way you hold the phone), and are not overly concerned about the speculative effects of repeated exposures to FaceID (which some coming from having their eyes waterboarded by an XSMax) may find a bit creepy then the XR is a great choice.

One point is clearly indisputable: for those who experienced eye strain, eye discomfort, and worse, ocular and traditional migraines using the insanely intense displays of the XS OLED phones, even to the point of having to see an ophthalmologist or neurologist, the XR is a flight to safety!

For me, I have already returned both the XSMax and the XR, the latter about 2 hours after I got it from T-Mobile, and it looks like my 8 Plus may be the end of the line unless Apple releases a higher res liquid Retina display. Who knows, LCD screens for Apple may go the way of the headphone jack and comfortable laptop keyboards with real key travel.

One thing we can count on though. Apple will continue to ship a pathetic, underpowered 5-watt charger even as they continue raise prices to nosebleed levels on their iPhones.
 
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All these interesting comments about eye strain fail to mention how close we hold our phone to our face. I hold my phone about six inches from my face, because that's where my focal point is without glasses. I have perfect vision at that distance. My friend holds his phone maybe eighteen inches or more from his face. That makes all the difference. So...

For a close holder, the OLED screen may cause headaches due to PWM. For a far holder, it may not.
For a close holder, the Face ID often doesn't work. For a far holder, it almost always works.
For a close holder, the XR resolution may be too fuzzy. For a far holder, it is not.
For a close holder, a big screen may be too big. For a far holder, a big screen is fine.

I suggest that we should all state whether we are a close holder or not when we compare and comment on phones.
 
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I hold my iPhone 1 foot from my eyes both w/out or w/out glasses. In each case, I can perceive noticeable better clarity and sharpness with my iPhone 8 + vs the XR AND in each case, the XS Max created discomfort for me when viewing its screen for longer than a few minutes. I would submit respectfully that your observations extrapolated to others are off the mark.
 
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Looking at the evidence in this thread it seems PWM was causing eye strain not Face ID.

People who have commented here that had issues with X or XS screen that have no problems / improvement of symptoms with the the XR.

After a week of using the XR I am having no issues with an average of 6 hours screen time per day.
 
I have been following this thread since XS was released but haven't read all posts from the beginning, so just to quickly summarize, some people seem to experience eye strain using X which is either attributed to OLED displays or FaceID flood illuminatior or both? If it's OLED then the theory is it's because of PWM (pulse width modulation). Also many have claimed that after switching to XR with LCD screen, eye strain was not felt even though it has the same FaceID.
Now is this issue specific to Apple's displays or OLED in general because haven't heard about it from Samsung or other users? And if it's PWM that causes the eye strain then why is implemented only on OLED and not LCD displays? And what symptoms do you feel (watery eyes?) to identify that it's caused by iPhone usage and not other factors?
 
With the X and XS Max I got severe headaches and eye pain. Also gritty feeling in my right eye. Bright lights would also hurt.
Had a bunch of eye exams done. Nothing wrong with my eyes.
I figured it had to do with PWM dimming on the X and me having the display set too bright. Got rid of the X after a month and got an 8 Plus. Headaches were gone immediately (I never had headaches in 40+ years until I started using the X).
Took almost a year for the problems to completely disappear (bright light or looking in the direction of thebsun in the summer would still trigger it sometimes).
When the XS Max was released I ordered one and figured id give it a try. But within 3 days symptoms started to reappear so I returned it.

Have been using the XR for a week now. Got it on Friday, headache started on Sunday. Woke up with gritty eyes all week. On Monday or Tuesday I turned off the faceid attention and extra features. At the least headaches were gone again. From Thursday til now I started making sure to look at the bottom of the screen or to the side of the phone when using faceid.
Things are much better now.

So still not sure what causes the discomfort for me. If I had to guess it's both: PWM causes me headaches because of the pulsing display. Faceid causes the same but less severe because of the light flashing in my eyes.

And yes. I know it's invisible light but that doesn't mean its not there or your brain can't somehow register it. I don't think it's dangerous. I just think it's annoying when you're one of the small percentage of unluckily users to experience it.
 
I have been following this thread since XS was released but haven't read all posts from the beginning, so just to quickly summarize, some people seem to experience eye strain using X which is either attributed to OLED displays or FaceID flood illuminatior or both? If it's OLED then the theory is it's because of PWM (pulse width modulation). Also many have claimed that after switching to XR with LCD screen, eye strain was not felt even though it has the same FaceID.
Now is this issue specific to Apple's displays or OLED in general because haven't heard about it from Samsung or other users? And if it's PWM that causes the eye strain then why is implemented only on OLED and not LCD displays? And what symptoms do you feel (watery eyes?) to identify that it's caused by iPhone usage and not other factors?

Most of those sensitive seem to be sensitive to PWM, a small percentage however seem to be sensitive to Face ID. Some both.

PWM is implemented on basically all OLED displays. I have heard that there is one or two that doesn't use PWM, but they have issues with color shifts. The reason PWM is used for OLED displays is that every single subpixel is its own LED, and individually controlling the brightness of millions of LEDs is difficult to do with analog methods.

LCD displays use a handful of LEDs to backlight the display, which then regulates individual subpixels using liquid crystals, so analog dimming is much more practical to implement on these backlights.

I have heard of a lot of people having issues with Samsung phones, pixel phones and all kinds of OLED phones. Some however seem to do OK with Samsung phones but not OLED iPhones. It's difficult to know why without a thorough analysis of both.


I personally feel like I have sand in my eyes after extended use, but after a minute or so I can get tunnel vision and motion sickness if it's bad enough PWM. I may also get ocular migraines where I loose sight on my right eye for a few minutes, loose the ability to speech again for a few minutes, and completely loose coordination on the right side of my body. I also experience numbness on my right side and face, and heavy confusion. Basically, OLED is not something I want to stare at all day.
 
Most of those sensitive seem to be sensitive to PWM, a small percentage however seem to be sensitive to Face ID. Some both.

PWM is implemented on basically all OLED displays. I have heard that there is one or two that doesn't use PWM, but they have issues with color shifts. The reason PWM is used for OLED displays is that every single subpixel is its own LED, and individually controlling the brightness of millions of LEDs is difficult to do with analog methods.

LCD displays use a handful of LEDs to backlight the display, which then regulates individual subpixels using liquid crystals, so analog dimming is much more practical to implement on these backlights.

I have heard of a lot of people having issues with Samsung phones, pixel phones and all kinds of OLED phones. Some however seem to do OK with Samsung phones but not OLED iPhones. It's difficult to know why without a thorough analysis of both.


I personally feel like I have sand in my eyes after extended use, but after a minute or so I can get tunnel vision and motion sickness if it's bad enough PWM. I may also get ocular migraines where I loose sight on my right eye for a few minutes, loose the ability to speech again for a few minutes, and completely loose coordination on the right side of my body. I also experience numbness on my right side and face, and heavy confusion. Basically, OLED is not something I want to stare at all day.
Actually, this is valud for phines, oled tvs dont use pwm (some do, some do not)...
 
With the X and XS Max I got severe headaches and eye pain. Also gritty feeling in my right eye. Bright lights would also hurt.
Had a bunch of eye exams done. Nothing wrong with my eyes.
I figured it had to do with PWM dimming on the X and me having the display set too bright. Got rid of the X after a month and got an 8 Plus. Headaches were gone immediately (I never had headaches in 40+ years until I started using the X).
Took almost a year for the problems to completely disappear (bright light or looking in the direction of thebsun in the summer would still trigger it sometimes).
When the XS Max was released I ordered one and figured id give it a try. But within 3 days symptoms started to reappear so I returned it.

Have been using the XR for a week now. Got it on Friday, headache started on Sunday. Woke up with gritty eyes all week. On Monday or Tuesday I turned off the faceid attention and extra features. At the least headaches were gone again. From Thursday til now I started making sure to look at the bottom of the screen or to the side of the phone when using faceid.
Things are much better now.

So still not sure what causes the discomfort for me. If I had to guess it's both: PWM causes me headaches because of the pulsing display. Faceid causes the same but less severe because of the light flashing in my eyes.

And yes. I know it's invisible light but that doesn't mean its not there or your brain can't somehow register it. I don't think it's dangerous. I just think it's annoying when you're one of the small percentage of unluckily users to experience it.

Thank you so much for sharing this.

Your post could have been written by me.

Do you plan on keeping the phone anyway?

I am doing some more tests and I really hope it's not FaceID as i want to buy the new ipad pro during Christmas. I guess that i could just cover the sensors on it without influencing much the functionality, but would still be annoying
 
Thank you so much for sharing this.

Your post could have been written by me.

Do you plan on keeping the phone anyway?

I am doing some more tests and I really hope it's not FaceID as i want to buy the new ipad pro during Christmas. I guess that i could just cover the sensors on it without influencing much the functionality, but would still be annoying
Yeah, I think there is still something funky with FaceID / XR for me. Can’t figure it out though.. next test is tape over the flood Illuminator.
 
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I haven't used faceid but I have used the iris scanner on the note 8 and it makes my eyes feel funny and I had to turn it off. The iris scanner is focussing on the eyes clearly so I suspect its a higher intensity Vs faceid which spreads across the whole face. But it still wants to see the eyes so I worry it would also affect me in the same way as the iris scanner .

I'm following this thread to see how people get on as I'm interested in getting an iPhone bit it would be an expensive mistake if faceid causes me problems
 
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Thank you so much for sharing this.

Your post could have been written by me.

Do you plan on keeping the phone anyway?

I am doing some more tests and I really hope it's not FaceID as i want to buy the new ipad pro during Christmas. I guess that i could just cover the sensors on it without influencing much the functionality, but would still be annoying
t Not sure, tried the 8 Plus again today and it's so much easier on the eyes.
But the design of the XR is nicer...
I think I'll give the XR a few more days, as I think turning off the face id extra functions may have helped some.
 
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I haven't used faceid but I have used the iris scanner on the note 8 and it makes my eyes feel funny and I had to turn it off. The iris scanner is focussing on the eyes clearly so I suspect its a higher intensity Vs faceid which spreads across the whole face. But it still wants to see the eyes so I worry it would also affect me in the same way as the iris scanner .

I'm following this thread to see how people get on as I'm interested in getting an iPhone bit it would be an expensive mistake if faceid causes me problems

It’s the same for me. My eyes didn’t like the iris scanner on my S8+, so I’m hesitant to get a phone where the only biometric authentication relies on bombarding my eyes with IR a hundred times a day. I do use Windows Hello on my Surface Book, but as it’s my home laptop I don’t unlock it that many times a day. That one hasn’t caused me any problems, but so far my iPhone is the iPhone 8 as I still haven’t wanted to take the risk with FaceID. Maybe I should go to a store and try the FaceID demo for a while to see if my eyes react to it.
 
Thanks for a detailed explanation.
That sounds pretty bad for health reasons. If OLED causes so much eye strain then all that gorgeous HD display is pointless if you can't look at it and enjoy. I would rather have an LCD display even if it doesn't match OLED colors and brightness. Same thing for FaceID if flood illuminator and IR light contribute to the eye strain, maybe TouchID is more safe for health reasons and unobtrusive for use.

Do you feel these symptoms immediately or after a long usage? Btw, do OLED TVs work the same way or they have different tech?

Most of those sensitive seem to be sensitive to PWM, a small percentage however seem to be sensitive to Face ID. Some both.

PWM is implemented on basically all OLED displays. I have heard that there is one or two that doesn't use PWM, but they have issues with color shifts. The reason PWM is used for OLED displays is that every single subpixel is its own LED, and individually controlling the brightness of millions of LEDs is difficult to do with analog methods.

LCD displays use a handful of LEDs to backlight the display, which then regulates individual subpixels using liquid crystals, so analog dimming is much more practical to implement on these backlights.

I have heard of a lot of people having issues with Samsung phones, pixel phones and all kinds of OLED phones. Some however seem to do OK with Samsung phones but not OLED iPhones. It's difficult to know why without a thorough analysis of both.


I personally feel like I have sand in my eyes after extended use, but after a minute or so I can get tunnel vision and motion sickness if it's bad enough PWM. I may also get ocular migraines where I loose sight on my right eye for a few minutes, loose the ability to speech again for a few minutes, and completely loose coordination on the right side of my body. I also experience numbness on my right side and face, and heavy confusion. Basically, OLED is not something I want to stare at all day.
 
Do you feel these symptoms immediately or after a long usage? Btw, do OLED TVs work the same way or they have different tech?

Tunnel vision and motion sickness can be more or less instant if the display is flickering bad enough. With the iPhone X I looked at it in a store at two separate occasions and got mild symptoms within 5 minutes.

The other symptoms doesn't happen that often. Mostly when I'm extra tired and have been looking for an extended period at a display that doesn't give any obvious symptoms. It just depends on how much flicker there is, and probably what frequency. I had an LCD computer monitor that belonged to this latter category, and it was replaced with a flicker free one after an unscheduled ambulance ride with "stroke like symptoms". That's when I found out I have eye migraines. The OLED viewfinder in my camera also seems to belong to this category unfortunately, so I'm using the rear LCD instead.

I'm not informed enough about OLED TV's, but I know there are ones that are supposed to be flicker free, and I know there are ones that flicker. TV's in general are difficult because many of them have features like black frame insertion and such that introduce artificial flicker even though the backlight or panel may be flicker free. These features can often be turned off, but not always.

I hope my TV will last long, because I really don't like TV shopping. It's almost impossible to find ones that will work long term and I won't find out until the return window has passed. There are threads on forums though where people who are sensitive discuss TVs that work for them and ones that don't. But it seems to be highly individual.

And to stay on topic:
Since I removed the tape from my notch, I have had grainy eyes for the past couple of days. The unfortunate part is that the weather turned at the same time and the air went really dry. My skin and lips are super dry, so what I feel may be down to the weather and poor sleep. I still have 5 days on my return window but I'm pretty sure I'm keeping it either way.
 
I have been following this thread since XS was released but haven't read all posts from the beginning, so just to quickly summarize, some people seem to experience eye strain using X which is either attributed to OLED displays or FaceID flood illuminatior or both? If it's OLED then the theory is it's because of PWM (pulse width modulation). Also many have claimed that after switching to XR with LCD screen, eye strain was not felt even though it has the same FaceID.
Now is this issue specific to Apple's displays or OLED in general because haven't heard about it from Samsung or other users? And if it's PWM that causes the eye strain then why is implemented only on OLED and not LCD displays? And what symptoms do you feel (watery eyes?) to identify that it's caused by iPhone usage and not other factors?
The Apple Store is only 10 minutes away from me and my dog, Toby, a Wheaten Terrier, is quite popular there, so I have made it a Sunday thing where he gets part of his walk to the 4th St. Store in Berkeley). Each time I go, I spend some time comparing the screens of my iPhone 8 Plus which I have gone back to as a safe harbor twice, first after I returned the XS Max and then after returning the XR.

This is a bit of a round about way of answering the questions above, but I will get around to responding to the questions. I first compared the Plus with the XR last Sundat. I hold the phone about 10”-12” inches away and use it primarily for emails, browsing and Apple News in particular. I conducted my tests with and w/out glasses and got the same result in both. Obviously, w/out glasses, I have to hold the phone an inch or so closer.

I also own a 55” OLED TV from LG and an Apple Watch 4 which also uses an OLED screen. I have never had a second thought that either of them making me uncomfortable. The LG TV is fantastic. Comparing the Plus with the XR, it’s very evident that the XR is much brighter. Notwithstanding the screen brightness advantage, the XR, in standard display mode, uses a very small font which is much harder to resolve and could cause eye strain in people used to the plus screens. In Zoom mode, the font is too large and there is a lot of word wrapping, especially of titles. Because of the narrow aspect ratio, the eyes have to work harder to glean the information, especially focusing on bottom of the screen which used to be occupied by the home button on earlier phones. Over time, this is both inefficient for reading and fatiguing vs the wider screen and sharper for distinct text on the 8 Plus.

These drawbacks of the XR display are made all the worse on the XS Max. Whenever I start to use an XS Max, I have a general feeling of discomfort within about 10 seconds of looking at that screen. The screen has an infinite contrast ratio, but if you put the XR next the XS Max, it’s apparent that in normal daylight, the OLED screen is considerably less bright, even dim compared with the LED backlit (and I have read there are as twice as many LEDs on the XR as in past LCDs) XS Max. What good is the contrast ratio, if in normal light, the display has brightness challenges? The XS Max is huge. When reading text, the eyes must travel really far down the display due to its design vs the display of the Plus in which the home button stops the text flow veritically before the eyes have to strain to read it.

Also the dizzying visual effects, the bouncing of the screen when you touch the bottom of the screen to invoke the home screen or pull down the control center or the lock screen, simply increases the sense of discomfort with the (Apple’s interation of the) OLED screen generally. Yes, you can go into accessibiilty and reduce the motion, but it only moderates it a bit. It’s still there. The XS Max is also a magnet for glare and that glare also contributes to discomfort viewing the screen for me. Finally, the auto-login using Face ID is creepy and Apple displays an icon which resembling a skull and crossbones when invoking it. Personally, although I takes longer, I prefer the Touch ID for authenticating. All in all, the XS phones and in particular the XS Max are a toxic brew of discomfort or in Steve Jobs’ words, a big bag of hurt, for many of those who have posted on this forum thread.

I owned the XS Max for a week and have tested in innumerable times in the Apple store. Using it, looking at the screen makes me queasy and uncomfortable. Typically when I feel this way, I stop. I don’t continue to the point of amping up the eye strain further and perhaps getting a headache. I have the 8 plus. I love it. It may be my last iPhone. What’s the point of torturing myself? If Apple continues down this path, in a couple years I will buy another one, which will be several hundred dollars less, and put it in a closet, ready to go when the current 8 Plus give out.

I wonder how many XS and XS Max users are suffering in silence?
 
Apple should have used a higher ppi display for a 6.1" phone and included HDR for this price, that would have made XR a great new phone to introduce even with a just single lens camera and LCD screen.
As with other recently released products, Apple's current marketing strategy gives you just enough, longing you for the next years upgrade more than what's released now and as a result people tend to hold on to their last year's phones instead of choosing between XR and XS.


This is a bit of a round about way of answering the questions above, but I will get around to responding to the questions. I first compared the Plus with the XR last Sundat. I hold the phone about 10”-12” inches away and use it primarily for emails, browsing and Apple News in particular. I conducted my tests with and w/out glasses and got the same result in both. Obviously, w/out glasses, I have to hold the phone an inch or so closer.
 
Apple should have used a higher ppi display for a 6.1" phone and included HDR for this price, that would have made XR a great new phone to introduce even with a just single lens camera and LCD screen.
As with other recently released products, Apple's current marketing strategy gives you just enough, longing you for the next years upgrade more than what's released now and as a result people tend to hold on to their last year's phones instead of choosing between XR and XS.
Apparently Apple is cutting production of the XR and increasing production of the 8/8 Plus. People are not as dumb as Apple thinks.
 
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