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Apparently Apple is cutting production of the XR and increasing production of the 8/8 Plus. People are not as dumb as Apple thinks.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/05/additional-iphone-xr-production-canceled/

Not increasing production and cutting are somewhat different things.

Also from the same article:

"Nikkei's reporting on iPhone supplies has been off the mark in recent years, with claims of Apple slashing iPhone production orders on weak demand being at odds with later sales figures.

The latest report also clashes with recent remarks made by noted Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who said that iPhone XR pre-order demand in the first three days of the device's availability was "better than that" of the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus during the same period last year."
 
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Unless this issue is reported to Apple by everyone who has the problem, I think next year we could have no models that use LED. PLEASE! Call Apple Support and have this issue documented as the reason you returned your XS this or leave feedback on: https://apple.com/feedback !!!

Also, has anyone who experienced issues had issues with Series 4 Apple Watch?
 
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This is gonna sound crazy u posted earlier in the thread about my eyestrain om two different iPhone x phones
Like all users here i was suspecting either the pwm of face id

Went for a while with the s9 plus didnt have any eye or headache complains to speak off

I still wantend a iPhone because iOS in my opinion is superior to Android so i was delighted when the xr was announced got the phone on release and guess what eye strain

I never did setup face id turned every option off regarding face id but had eventuelly sold it off

After that i didnt have a phone was debating a note 9 or 8 plus but my gf just got a xs max and she had a x also she lend me the xs max i have it 2 days no headaches or eye straining what so ever

My Theory is either its a font probleem for me or a screen quality isue is it possible the LG screens are more favorable for my eyes the Samsung
 
I had the PWM problem with my Max as well and I bought the Apple Watch 4 at the same time. When I started noticing the headaches/eye strain, I stopped using my Max and went back to my 8+. Even using my 8+, I was still having eye strain that I think was caused by the watch. It might have eventually went away, I was playing with it a lot. I'd never had a smart watch and I was loving it however, I went ahead and returned it with my Max. I didn't want to take a chance that it was the watch too and be out $500 because I couldn't use it. I think it's a YMMV thing though and I've never seen anyone talking about their watch hurting their eyes. It could just be me.

I agree with you that my XR is definitely better than my Max, but my eyes do still feel tired and a little strained after using it. I'm hoping that it's an adjustment period and it'll go away. We'll see!


Do you have any update on the XR?

I am considering returning both my Apple Watch and my XR and just stick with my 8 plus. Text and reading is so much better on it as rnbarg well described
 
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Most of those sensitive seem to be sensitive to PWM, a small percentage however seem to be sensitive to Face ID. Some both.

PWM is implemented on basically all OLED displays. I have heard that there is one or two that doesn't use PWM, but they have issues with color shifts. The reason PWM is used for OLED displays is that every single subpixel is its own LED, and individually controlling the brightness of millions of LEDs is difficult to do with analog methods.

LCD displays use a handful of LEDs to backlight the display, which then regulates individual subpixels using liquid crystals, so analog dimming is much more practical to implement on these backlights.

I have heard of a lot of people having issues with Samsung phones, pixel phones and all kinds of OLED phones. Some however seem to do OK with Samsung phones but not OLED iPhones. It's difficult to know why without a thorough analysis of both.


I personally feel like I have sand in my eyes after extended use, but after a minute or so I can get tunnel vision and motion sickness if it's bad enough PWM. I may also get ocular migraines where I loose sight on my right eye for a few minutes, loose the ability to speech again for a few minutes, and completely loose coordination on the right side of my body. I also experience numbness on my right side and face, and heavy confusion. Basically, OLED is not something I want to stare at all day.
I hadn’t been on this thread awhile since I’ve moved on to the Xr. Wow, You suffer as badly as I have when my migraines were severe. It is very much like having a stroke, isn’t it?

In fact, my mother-in-law said I was the only one who understood how frustrated she was trying to communicate after her stroke and that I was helpful getting the rest of the family to stop upsetting her.

It is rare to come across someone who loses their ability to speak due to migraines. I know it happens, but to actually come across a fellow migraine sufferer who also loses speech is noteworthy.

I have also lost coordination and gotten seizures with migraines before. I don’t experience numbness exactly but the signal between my brain and usually my right arm will simply cease. My arm will lock up rigidly. When things get really bad I will also lose the ability to write and sometimes even the ability to read.

I did not stay with my X or Max long enough for the symptoms to get that bad. My last day on the Max, I did start losing my speech when I went to the grocery highly sensitized to their lighting after a day of pwm on the Max.

I was worried for awhile that PWM was going to bring all the worst migraine hells back down on me. It started off rather well with the Max but deteriorated dramatically before the return period was over. It was a couple of weeks before I could even look at my Galaxy S9+ display again. It appeared to be flickering wildly. Now it looks fine again. Clearly, my Samsung’s display did not change. But something in my brain did.

What in heck did Apple do with OLED to do this to our brains?

I did tell Apple. They had sent me a survey and I told them what the Max’s display did to me. I hope Apple cares and attempts to sort this out.

I sometimes have had eye strain and gritty eyes on my Xr, but it’s a situation that seems to be improving, not getting worse. Thank goodness.
 
Not sure if it’s been reported in this thread before but given that the XS Max uses a Samsung screen, is the implementation of PWM the same as the Samsung phones (eg note or S9) or are apple doing something different? The reason I ask is I have just got the max and my eyes do feel a bit funny and I’m not sure why. I’ve come from 2 years with Samsung phones without problem so if it’s PWM then I’d be surprised. I think it might be getting used to the apple fonts, and maybe faceid
 
I hadn’t been on this thread awhile since I’ve moved on to the Xr. Wow, You suffer as badly as I have when my migraines were severe. It is very much like having a stroke, isn’t it?

In fact, my mother-in-law said I was the only one who understood how frustrated she was trying to communicate after her stroke and that I was helpful getting the rest of the family to stop upsetting her.

It is rare to come across someone who loses their ability to speak due to migraines. I know it happens, but to actually come across a fellow migraine sufferer who also loses speech is noteworthy.

I have also lost coordination and gotten seizures with migraines before. I don’t experience numbness exactly but the signal between my brain and usually my right arm will simply cease. My arm will lock up rigidly. When things get really bad I will also lose the ability to write and sometimes even the ability to read.

I did not stay with my X or Max long enough for the symptoms to get that bad. My last day on the Max, I did start losing my speech when I went to the grocery highly sensitized to their lighting after a day of pwm on the Max.

I was worried for awhile that PWM was going to bring all the worst migraine hells back down on me. It started off rather well with the Max but deteriorated dramatically before the return period was over. It was a couple of weeks before I could even look at my Galaxy S9+ display again. It appeared to be flickering wildly. Now it looks fine again. Clearly, my Samsung’s display did not change. But something in my brain did.

What in heck did Apple do with OLED to do this to our brains?

I did tell Apple. They had sent me a survey and I told them what the Max’s display did to me. I hope Apple cares and attempts to sort this out.

I sometimes have had eye strain and gritty eyes on my Xr, but it’s a situation that seems to be improving, not getting worse. Thank goodness.

Yeah it’s no fun at all. I only loose speech when I get a siezure and only for 15-20 minutes, but it’s scary. Especially the first time it happened. The symptoms I tend to have with mild migraines is spots in my vision, a high pitch noise in my ear and numbness in my right hand/arm and leg/foot. Sometimes with mild confusion.

I haven’t had a full seizure in almost two years now though, but I suspect that may have been different if I had used an OLED phone daily. Last time it was likely triggered from spending a few hours in front of a computer monitor with bad PWM, and then using the OLED viewfinder on my camera.

I have acutally met two other people who have similar symptoms but I’m not sure about the loss of speech. My neurologist said that it wasn’t all that uncommon amongst their eye migraine patients, yet it’s not common to run into someone else affected by this. It seems to be hard for people to understand how bad it is. I also have issues with store lighting on bad days, especially now that they have started to put in LED lights. Flourescent was manageable but with LEDs it can get a bit crazy. I’m glad to know I’m not the only one on here woth these symptoms, but I’m sorry you are also affected.

Not sure if it’s been reported in this thread before but given that the XS Max uses a Samsung screen, is the implementation of PWM the same as the Samsung phones (eg note or S9) or are apple doing something different? The reason I ask is I have just got the max and my eyes do feel a bit funny and I’m not sure why. I’ve come from 2 years with Samsung phones without problem so if it’s PWM then I’d be surprised. I think it might be getting used to the apple fonts, and maybe faceid
I have a faint memory of reading somewhere that Apple does some custom subpixel rendering. Maybe that has something to do with it?
 
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The AW 4 does not use PWM from what I read.
Unless this issue is reported to Apple by everyone who has the problem, I think next year we could have no models that use LED. PLEASE! Call Apple Support and have this issue documented as the reason you returned your XS this or leave feedback on: https://apple.com/feedback !!!

Also, has anyone who experienced issues had issues with Series 4 Apple Watch?
 
After more than a month struggling with OLED and FaceID and switching between XS Max, X and XR, and trying to jump on the train of the latest iPhones without having eye-strain and headaches, yesterday I finally gave up and went back to my 8+.

It is amazing how much better the 8+ display is than any of the X, XS and XR. I do miss the extra screen estate of the newer phones, but I guess I will have to compromise because it looks like this is going to be my last iPhone. I hope it will last for many years to come. Seriously thinking of getting a seconds one to hoard for the future.
 
After more than a month struggling with OLED and FaceID and switching between XS Max, X and XR, and trying to jump on the train of the latest iPhones without having eye-strain and headaches, yesterday I finally gave up and went back to my 8+.

It is amazing how much better the 8+ display is than any of the X, XS and XR. I do miss the extra screen estate of the newer phones, but I guess I will have to compromise because it looks like this is going to be my last iPhone. I hope it will last for many years to come. Seriously thinking of getting a seconds one to hoard for the future.


Same. Got a brand new 8 Plus at least.

I've never had any issues looking at my Apple Watch, FWIW.
 
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Also went back to the 8 Plus today.
Design of the newer phones may be nicer but the 8 Plus screen is nicer (for my eyes).

Also have an aw4. No issues there but I hardly look at it
 
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I think it depends on the brightness level configured:

I don't see any flickering on mine:


You posted this video before, as I commented already, the ambient light flickering covered the effect of the watch.

Apple watch definitely has PWM, I can clearly see it on mine and you can see it on Tijdelijk video.
 
You posted this video before, as I commented already, the ambient light flickering covered the effect of the watch.

Apple watch definitely has PWM, I can clearly see it on mine and you can see it on Tijdelijk video.

After looking at Tijdelijk video, it turns out that actually if you pay enougg attention you can see flickering even on my watch, on the dark parts, ie. the exercise rings at the bottom center. Also when the screen dims towards the end of the video.

Only now I noticed it too.
 
After more than a month struggling with OLED and FaceID and switching between XS Max, X and XR, and trying to jump on the train of the latest iPhones without having eye-strain and headaches, yesterday I finally gave up and went back to my 8+.

It is amazing how much better the 8+ display is than any of the X, XS and XR. I do miss the extra screen estate of the newer phones, but I guess I will have to compromise because it looks like this is going to be my last iPhone. I hope it will last for many years to come. Seriously thinking of getting a seconds one to hoard for the future.
If you look at my posts, I have been saying the exact same thing for weeks. Nice to find a kindred spirit.
 
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After more than a month struggling with OLED and FaceID and switching between XS Max, X and XR, and trying to jump on the train of the latest iPhones without having eye-strain and headaches, yesterday I finally gave up and went back to my 8+.

It is amazing how much better the 8+ display is than any of the X, XS and XR. I do miss the extra screen estate of the newer phones, but I guess I will have to compromise because it looks like this is going to be my last iPhone. I hope it will last for many years to come. Seriously thinking of getting a seconds one to hoard for the future.

Right there with you!! I just posted the below on the XR thread:

Well I finally gave up yesterday and returned the XR and went back to my 8+. Just like others have posted above, I tried everything and it's just not worth having a phone that hurts to look at, no matter how much I love it. The phone is awesome but I can use the 8+ all day with no issues.

The last four days I would use the XR one day and the 8+ the next. At the end of the XR day my eyes were tired and hurt behind both eyes and on top of the eyeballs inside the socket. After the 8+ day my eyes felt rested and great!!

It's just not worth it as frustrating as it is. Now I'm wondering if my iPhone days are over. Very sad about that!!
 
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