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Shanghaichica

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Apr 8, 2013
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Just exactly how old are these devices?
Even my original galaxy note (2011) has better specs than the iPhone 4 (dual core processor, 720p display, 1 gb of ram). So these phones must be as old or even older than the iPhone 4.
 

MRU

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Aug 23, 2005
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Just exactly how old are these devices?
Even my original galaxy note (2011) has better specs than the iPhone 4 (dual core processor, 720p display, 1 gb of ram). So these phones must be as old or even older than the iPhone 4.

No the phones are not older. There are plenty of low end Android phones being manufactured by even major competitors with 512mb ram and 512mb rom with small SD card supplementing. I know many folks who have bought cheap €60-70 android handsets on PayAsYouGo (no contract) and they are appalling both in screen quality, performance, memory, storage and resolution. These are NEW phones from the likes of Sony ...

Yet they continue to be bought, as a lot of people 1. don't have the money, 2. don't want a contract, or would never qualify to have one 3. but still want access to basic apps like Facebook and whatsapp, and are willing to put up with a lemon of a device if it allows them access.
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
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No the phones are not older. There are plenty of low end Android phones being manufactured by even major competitors with 512mb ram and 512mb rom with small SD card supplementing. I know many folks who have bought cheap €60-70 android handsets on PayAsYouGo (no contract) and they are appalling both in screen quality, performance, memory, storage and resolution. These are NEW phones from the likes of Sony ...

Yet they continue to be bought, as a lot of people 1. don't have the money, 2. don't want a contract, or would never qualify to have one 3. but still want access to basic apps like Facebook and whatsapp, and are willing to put up with a lemon of a device if it allows them access.
Oh are these like the cheap phones you see in supermarkets?

Some people genuinely don't care about these things, as long as they can do the basic things like you say it doesn't bother them.

Lol I remember when my iPhone 4 was stolen (2012). I used a dumb phone for two days before I bought a Samsung galaxy Y. Not having a smartphone even for two days was awful, I felt so unproductive. I only had two months to go until my upgrade but in the end I only managed with the galaxy Y for three weeks before I bought out my contact in order to get a 'decent' phone.
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
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Not everybody needs high specs. Some people just need a phone, capable of calls, texts and browsing. Low specs aren't a bad thing, unless you've upgraded iOS :p
 

daneoni

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Might also explain why Google doesn't make as much money on Android is it does elsewhere.

A big chunk of the users are on low end devices and keep things simple. They probably don't use Google services or go anywhere near the Play Store.

Manufacturers of these devices don't pay Google anything either.
 

mi7chy

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2014
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For internet browsing DRAM is king to prevent tab reload and browser crash like Safari so iPhones are about 3 years behind Android. Late 2014 iPhone 6+ and 6 have 1GB DRAM which is limited to about 2 maybe 3 tabs before reloading so it's equivalent to 2011 Android like 1GB Galaxy Note.
 

MRU

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Aug 23, 2005
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For internet browsing DRAM is king to prevent tab reload and browser crash like Safari so iPhones are about 3 years behind Android. Late 2014 iPhone 6+ and 6 have 1GB DRAM which is limited to about 2 maybe 3 tabs before reloading so it's equivalent to 2011 Android like 1GB Galaxy Note.


I can have 6 tabs open in safari on my iPhone 6 without reloading with its 1gb.

It's about the same for my Alpha with 2gb.

Software and optimisations counts for just as much as extra memory...
 

mi7chy

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Oct 24, 2014
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I can have 6 tabs open in safari on my iPhone 6 without reloading with its 1gb.

It's about the same for my Alpha with 2gb.

Software and optimisations counts for just as much as extra memory...

Should've been more clear. I'm not talking about opening a bunch of blank tabs. Try something like:

http://live.theverge.com/apple-iphone-iwatch-live-blog/

Or, this:

http://live.theverge.com/apple-iphone-iwatch-live-blog/

iPhone 6+ and 6 will reload after about 2. On Android with 2GB and 3GB it's pretty much a non-issue since they can easily handle the typical 4 to 6. iPad Air 2 does well too because of the 2GB but all other Apple devices with 1GB or less are kind of useless.
 

daneoni

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Mar 24, 2006
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Yeah keep shifting the goalpost of your arguments till you find that exact nuance where you manage to have a point.

lol "opening this exact set of websites is better on Android than iOS. wow

This place never ceases to give me a chuckle.
 

sviato

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Oct 27, 2010
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This is no surprise. It's well known that the low-end market makes up most of Android's market share. They take barely-above-feature phones and slap Android on them and sell them for a few dollars in poorer countries.
 

cube

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How does it see BB10 phones configured to identify themselves as Android?
 

MRU

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Aug 23, 2005
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Should've been more clear. I'm not talking about opening a bunch of blank tabs. Try something like:

http://live.theverge.com/apple-iphone-iwatch-live-blog/

Or, this:

http://live.theverge.com/apple-iphone-iwatch-live-blog/

iPhone 6+ and 6 will reload after about 2. On Android with 2GB and 3GB it's pretty much a non-issue since they can easily handle the typical 4 to 6. iPad Air 2 does well too because of the 2GB but all other Apple devices with 1GB or less are kind of useless.
OK tried that and can confirm that on iPhone 6 I can open two fully without reloading and then open third; wait till it opens and going back to first and it wants to reload.

On my Galaxy Alpha, I can open 7 fully before it wants to reload the first after I open the eighth.

So yes using that example the Alpha with its 2gb opens 3x as many ...
 

vgamedude

macrumors 6502a
Dec 10, 2013
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OK tried that and can confirm that on iPhone 6 I can open two fully without reloading and then open third; wait till it opens and going back to first and it wants to reload.

On my Galaxy Alpha, I can open 7 fully before it wants to reload the first after I open the eighth.

So yes using that example the Alpha with its 2gb opens 3x as many ...

Keep in mind also samsung bloat is ludicrous, especially coupled with carrier bloat. 2gb on a samsung phone isn't all that great considering how much is being used by running processes.
 

TimelessOne

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Oct 29, 2014
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OK tried that and can confirm that on iPhone 6 I can open two fully without reloading and then open third; wait till it opens and going back to first and it wants to reload.

On my Galaxy Alpha, I can open 7 fully before it wants to reload the first after I open the eighth.

So yes using that example the Alpha with its 2gb opens 3x as many ...

what that more shows you is how aggressive Apple is on memory management. From a developers point of view and as someone who deals with Apple system I can tell you APple is way overly aggressive on it. They do not have a rim or a reason in how the memory is killed and reclaimed. IT will crash Apps and take memory unexpectedly.

Android is the other way and will start killing apps at the bottom of the stack to get more memory. Apple seems to do something as a mixture of current stack and memory load. High memory load apps risk losing data even if they are the top most in the stack. It is annoying.
You just see it in the web page at how aggressive Apple is.

Also might like to point out that more and more web pages are getting pretty memory intense so it will get work.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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Keep in mind also samsung bloat is ludicrous, especially coupled with carrier bloat. 2gb on a samsung phone isn't all that great considering how much is being used by running processes.
In fairness the Alpha has the least amount of bloat I have ever had from Samsung, but yes certainly compared to stock.

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what that more shows you is how aggressive Apple is on memory management. From a developers point of view and as someone who deals with Apple system I can tell you APple is way overly aggressive on it. They do not have a rim or a reason in how the memory is killed and reclaimed. IT will crash Apps and take memory unexpectedly.

Android is the other way and will start killing apps at the bottom of the stack to get more memory. Apple seems to do something as a mixture of current stack and memory load. High memory load apps risk losing data even if they are the top most in the stack. It is annoying.
You just see it in the web page at how aggressive Apple is.

Also might like to point out that more and more web pages are getting pretty memory intense so it will get work.
Interesting. This makes sense..
 

fredaroony

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Aug 1, 2011
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WOW.....I shocked! A hatchet job on Android at Apple Insider! /s
Written by AI EIC Daniel Eran Dilger .... I am for one am so shocked /s

What is the world coming to......

He is so unbelievably biased you can't take anything he says with any merit and he will find anyway to discredit anything that is non Apple.

He is a great fit with all of the others at Appleinsider

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Or as I like to call him, Dirk Digler. Everything that guy writes is sheer editorial Propoganda. I've seen that guy flat out lie in articles. He has zero credibility outside those Apple fanatics on AI forums. Some of those guys are way, way out there... Worse than crackberry fanatics.

Indeed they are truly hardcore and there is a fair amount of racism there too i.e. Samsung.
 

Lloydbm41

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Oct 17, 2013
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I can have 6 tabs open in safari on my iPhone 6 without reloading with its 1gb.

It's about the same for my Alpha with 2gb.

Software and optimisations counts for just as much as extra memory...
I rarely have more than 3 tabs open on any device, so it usually is a non-issue in my case. Only time the iPhone ticks me off is when I am typing a long response in a forum like this, I open a new tab to copy or verify something and then when I click back to my post, iOS has erased the page and reloads it. Annoying as fu....
 

Savor

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iPhone 4/4s vs sub-$150 Androids of 2014

iPhone 4 had a beautiful and sharp display. Cheap Androids generally use bad viewing angles of TFT and QVGA (800x480). If you want 720p, the smallest display is 4.3 inches offered by the Sony Xperia acro S and Z1 Compact. Most are QVGA with ppi under 250 (below Retina).

iPhone 4 only had single core. Many current cheap Androids have dual core but still lag or the touchscreen isn't as sensitive even for a capacitive.

iPhone 4 still offered great sound. Most Androids can be weak and the speaker placed foolishly on the rear.

iPhone 4s had a GPU 7x faster than 4. Most cheap Androids use GPU worse than Adreno 305 and Mali 400. My girl has a Mali 400 on her $150 Lenovo A516 released last year and it still lags on games or crashes.

iPhone 4 had one of the best battery life ever with its sub-1500 mAh. Most Androids in the low price range would be lucky to give you 5 hr SOT or half what the iP4 offered.

Apple still updates iPhone 4/4s with iOS8. Most Androids from 3-4 years ago didn't even get to Ice Cream Sandwich! The current cheaper ones still get heavier Jelly Bean or KitKat but with 256 MB of RAM.

iPhone 4 is generally a better option than most current Androids priced under $150. Most OEM's have failed to offer a cheaper and smaller phone on par with Apple's 4.5 year old flagship. If you can replace the battery and any unresponsive home or power button, iP4 is quite serviceable even today. This is Apple's ENDURING quality.

The advantages cheaper Androids have is they usually offer a removable battery and expandable memory which surprisingly most flagships (sans Samsung) omit one or both. Some offer dual sim or more and FM radio. And yes, if you are stuck on Gingerbread, many apps can still work. If you are stuck on iOS4, you are almost forced to update for many apps to work.

I only found ONE Android which offered ok specs for cheap ($80) but it comes from a local brand here in the Philippines - Starmobile Play. It has a 2000 mAh which is quite large for a QVGA/4-inch screen and a Yamaha speaker. It also offers KitKat with 512 MB but a dual core MediaTek. It isn't bad and quite smooth although gaming is weak and lacks a front cam. But it probably loses in design, display, camera, and a few other areas vs iPhone 4 which is expected for its price. And I just don't trust local brands' reliability.

The only worthy Androids under $150 is the Xiaomi Redmi 1s and Asus Zenfone 5. Both are more worth it than Moto E. Their specs are on par to Moto G's and should surpass even iP4s but both are very hard to get.


Apple iPhone 4 (2010) vs HTC One (2013)

Most areas, HTC wins. It is nearly three years younger. It has a better and sharper display (my iP4 was quite warm), faster SoC, excellent external sound, and gaming with the Adreno 320. Plus, I just prefer Android and Sense more than iOS. But when I compared both my phones last year, iPhone 4 actually held its own in a few key (hardware) areas.

First off, internal sound. HTC One was fantastic esp with Beats switched on but iPhone 4 was quite loud too and very balanced sans Beats. Next was camera. M7 became horrendous months later. Same applied to iPhone 4 as I found it a bit overrated with its lens flare. But iP4 lacked any purple tints. Even before the M7 started giving me purple photos months later, the cam was never impressive. And the last was surprisingly Wi-Fi browsing. The iPhone 4 had introduced us to Wi-Fi "n" while M7 gave us Wi-Fi "ac". Yet, iPhone 4 was nearly just as fast opening websites and connecting. Also design is very close but I prefer M7 by a little as I hate glass rears but iPhone 4 is definitely better for one-handed use. The iP4 easily won on battery life.

So iPhone 4/4s are really great phones that can stand the test of time vs newer multi-core and cheaper 2014 Androids or against a 2013 HTC flagship which won multiple awards for best smartphone of the year. I generally don't miss mines since I longer can tolerate iOS. And if I did, I would rather get the faster 4s instead since I wasn't aware back in 2010 that Apple would offer us "s" models every odd numbered year. But I can understand that nearly half a decade later, people are still using iPhone 4 or Android phones close to those specs. The iPhone 4/4s were the best sub-4 inch and perhaps "compact" smartphones of all-time.

What the chart can really be saying could be that many older smartphones are quite serviceable even today. It's why I still see many BlackBerry QWERTY phones still around too and those are older. Not everyone needs all the bells & whistles when most probably only need to do maybe less than 10 different tasks per day. Call, text, email, browse, social networking, and music. With watching videos, games, ebooks, and camera on occasion.

Most phones circa 2010 can do many of those tasks quite well and in a smaller package. 2K res, 6 inches, octa-cores, 13 MP, $500+, 1M apps offered when you need less than 50, gimmicky features, those are overkill to most people esp for folks who can't have phones while working. Things like that is only for bragging rights for people who can afford the latest & greatest.

"Apple's problem is it still believes the way to grow is serving
caviar in a world that seems pretty content with cheese
and crackers," gripes former Chief Financial Officer
Joseph Graziano.
 

mrex

macrumors 68040
Jul 16, 2014
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...or worse

Crazy.

Guess majority of Android's market share comes largely from the cheap/low-end market. That and/or people are simply refusing to upgrade despite the wealth of options available.

EDIT: Here's the original Facebook post.
the last two paragraphs of the article were amusing.. do iOS users click everything they see? lol
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
I rarely have more than 3 tabs open on any device, so it usually is a non-issue in my case. Only time the iPhone ticks me off is when I am typing a long response in a forum like this, I open a new tab to copy or verify something and then when I click back to my post, iOS has erased the page and reloads it. Annoying as fu....

To be honest, I rarely ever have more than one or two on any of my devices, including my desktop & laptop.
 
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