Facebook says 66% of Android phones it sees have iPhone 4 era specs...

[Lloydbm41]

You cannot compare a phone from 2012 (N4) to a phone from 2010 (iPhone 4). Please select any Android phone from 2010 and price it and post the range that it can be sold for. Go on Swappa for the info.

If you want to compare the price of your N4, then compare it to the price of the 2012 iphone 5. Both are 2012 phones. An unlocked iPhone 5 has an ASP of $287.6. An unlocked N4 has an ASP of $142.3. This is Nov 2014 pricing.

I didn't compare a 2010 iPhone to a 2012 Nexus4. What I did do was look at depreciation values. And you just helped me make my point. How much was an iPhone 5 new? Approx $600. Let's say it sold for what you listed of $287. That is $313 of loss or approx 50% of its value.
The Nexus 4 was $250 brand new and your price for sale shows $142. That is only a $108 loss or a depreciation of just 43%.

So which is ultimately the better deal? See the difference?

 

[nj1266]

I didn't compare a 2010 iPhone to a 2012 Nexus4. What I did do was look at depreciation values. And you just helped me make my point. How much was an iPhone 5 new? Approx $600. Let's say it sold for what you listed of $287. That is $313 of loss or approx 50% of its value.

The Nexus 4 was $250 brand new and your price for sale shows $142. That is only a $108 loss or a depreciation of just 43%.



So which is ultimately the better deal? See the difference?

Keep in mind that your N4 did not even have LTE, so I am being generous by comparing it to a 2012 iPhone 5. A better price comparison would be an iPhone 5 to a Samsung GS3 since both have LTE. Btw, I sold my 32 gig iPhone 5 for $350. But I do get your point about depreciation.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I didn't compare a 2010 iPhone to a 2012 Nexus4. What I did do was look at depreciation values. And you just helped me make my point. How much was an iPhone 5 new? Approx $600. Let's say it sold for what you listed of $287. That is $313 of loss or approx 50% of its value.
The Nexus 4 was $250 brand new and your price for sale shows $142. That is only a $108 loss or a depreciation of just 43%.

So which is ultimately the better deal? See the difference?

You may be right about the depreciation but if you are like me the over all cost of the iPhone is partially absorbed by the monthly tariff so its not considered. I paid a fee of £230 upfront for my iPhone 5 and sold it 2 years later for £255 or £259 with postage. The iPhone 6 had an upgrade fee of £230 so with that covered it with the sale of the older phone. My tariff remains the same etc etc.

I did buy a HTC Desire HD once for nearly £500 off contract once and sold it for £160 nine months later. That was a heavy loss, but hey.

 

[Lloydbm41]

Keep in mind that your N4 did not even have LTE, so I am being generous by comparing it to a 2012 iPhone 5. A better price comparison would be an iPhone 5 to a Samsung GS3 since both have LTE. Btw, I sold my 32 gig iPhone 5 for $350. But I do get your point about depreciation.

Yeah, depreciation is the key here. IPhone's typically sell for more used, but they are 'usually' more money to buy (in the past). Now, phones like the LG G3, S5, Note 4, Motorola Moto X, etc cost about the same as an iPhone 6,but will depreciate more over time. (Historically speaking, that is.)

BTW, the Nexus 4 actually did have LTE capability, but the radios were shut off in the US. A user could turn them on via root access. Not hard, but most people wouldn't have bothered to do this. On ATT at the time HSPA+ ended up being just as fast as their LTE.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

1. The iPhone 6 has a A8 chip with 64 Bit architecture. Even the 5S was faster than the Nexus 4 for many applications. It is faster than many devices using Quad-core processors too.

2. The iPhone since the 5 has had LTE, the Nexus doesn't.

3. The Camera. Anybody who has compared knows this doesn't have to be explained.

All the differences in that image are accurate, but you're right - iPhone 6 destroys the Nexus 4 in terms of CPU, camera etc

 

[Dave.UK]

You cannot compare a phone from 2012 (N4) to a phone from 2010 (iPhone 4). Please select any Android phone from 2010 and price it and post the range that it can be sold for. Go on Swappa for the info.

If you want to compare the price of your N4, then compare it to the price of the 2012 iphone 5. Both are 2012 phones. An unlocked iPhone 5 has an ASP of $287.6. An unlocked N4 has an ASP of $142.3. This is Nov 2014 pricing.

But if your doing that, you need to take into account the initial purchase price and work out the devaluation as a percentage to put it into perspective.

Both phones on release date, off contract and sim free. Both are 16GB versions.

iPhone 5 - $649
Nexus 4 - $349

The iPhone5 has devalued by 56%
The Nexus 4 has devalued by 59%

So a Nexus 4 which cost 46% less to purchase originally has only devalued 3% more then then iPhone 5.

 

[mib1800]

But if your doing that, you need to take into account the initial purchase price and work out the devaluation as a percentage to put it into perspective.

Both phones on release date, off contract and sim free. Both are 16GB versions.

iPhone 5 - $649
Nexus 4 - $349

The iPhone5 has devalued by 56%
The Nexus 4 has devalued by 59%

So a Nexus 4 which cost 46% less to purchase originally has only devalued 3% more then then iPhone 5.

Look at it another way you would have lost $350 for iPhone whereas you lost $200 for nexus. So iphone is worse off.

 

[I7guy]

I didn't compare a 2010 iPhone to a 2012 Nexus4. What I did do was look at depreciation values. And you just helped me make my point. How much was an iPhone 5 new? Approx $600. Let's say it sold for what you listed of $287. That is $313 of loss or approx 50% of its value.
The Nexus 4 was $250 brand new and your price for sale shows $142. That is only a $108 loss or a depreciation of just 43%.

So which is ultimately the better deal? See the difference?

A lot of people sell off contract phones. That means a basic break even on the I5 vs the n4.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That only really affects people who have bought phone's outright rather than paying monthly tariffs to make up the price across the length of a contract. I would say a lot of people who have phone's on contract have no idea how much the retail value is of the device.

If you have a device purely based on its resale value then you'll never win. The iPhone fetches a nice price second-hand which is a bonus because at the end of contract its nice to know its still desirable and people are willing to give a decent amount for one. It all helps with the next upgrade

 

[Dave.UK]

A lot of people sell off contract phones. That means a basic break even on the I5 vs the n4.

I cant understand your maths in relation to breaking even?

 

[I7guy]

I cant understand your maths in relation to breaking even?

In the U.S. a verizon contract phone is $299/$199/$99. After two years you can sell the phone.

On the other hand swappa is telling me $600 buy price for my used 64 gig 5s iphone. So my depreciation is 33%.

 

[jamezr]

That only really affects people who have bought phone's outright rather than paying monthly tariffs to make up the price across the length of a contract. I would say a lot of people who have phone's on contract have no idea how much the retail value is of the device.

If you have a device purely based on its resale value then you'll never win. The iPhone fetches a nice price second-hand which is a bonus because at the end of contract its nice to know its still desirable and people are willing to give a decent amount for one. It all helps with the next upgrade

iPhones always hold their resale value. I am finding that the Galaxy S and Note lines do as well. I switch a lot of phones too....some you lose a few $ on. Some you can actually make a few $ on. But all in all if you are going to switch a lot of phones......you won't making money doing it.

 

[jamezr]

In the U.S. a verizon contract phone is $299/$199/$99. After two years you can sell the phone.

On the other hand swappa is telling me $600 buy price for my used 64 gig 5s iphone. So my depreciation is 33%.

almost correct.....you can sell you phone at anytime. But you are still obligated to pay for the line for the length of the contract. You can end the contract and pay the early termination fee.........

 

[mib1800]

In the U.S. a verizon contract phone is $299/$199/$99. After two years you can sell the phone.

On the other hand swappa is telling me $600 buy price for my used 64 gig 5s iphone. So my depreciation is 33%.

You can't create money out of thin air. So your 2 year contract already factored in the phone at full retail price.

So it is more valid to just use the retail price for depreciation calculation.

 

[Dave.UK]

In the U.S. a verizon contract phone is $299/$199/$99. After two years you can sell the phone.

On the other hand swappa is telling me $600 buy price for my used 64 gig 5s iphone. So my depreciation is 33%.

As already pointed out by others, as well as the initial amount you pay, the remainder of the phone cost is factored into the monthly line rental costs.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You can't create money out of thin air. So your 2 year contract already factored in the phone at full retail price.

So it is more valid to just use the retail price for depreciation calculation.

As already pointed out by others, as well as the initial amount you pay, the remainder of the phone cost is factored into the monthly line rental costs.

Yeah but realistically who factors that in? I know I paid an upfront fee for a handset and a monthly tariff. I don't take away a certain percentage each month to work out how much the phone costs on the whole. If the sale cost of the old handset fetches more than the upgrade fee, then it can be considered breaking even or profit. I am not going to lose sleep over it because the phone has had its use and getting any amount of money for it is a bonus.

If I had upgraded to the Galaxy Note 4 for example it would have been free* on my current contract. When I say free it means no upfront fee, so at the end of the contract if I sell the phone I will be more than happy to get a sum for it without factoring in how much it has cost through the tariff. I understand what you are saying but I doubt many people think about that bit that much.

 

[Dave.UK]

Yeah but realistically who factors that in? I know I paid an upfront fee for a handset and a monthly tariff. I don't take away a certain percentage each month to work out how much the phone costs on the whole. If the sale cost of the old handset fetches more than the upgrade fee, then it can be considered breaking even or profit. I am not going to lose sleep over it because the phone has had its use and getting any amount of money for it is a bonus.

If I had upgraded to the Galaxy Note 4 for example it would have been free* on my current contract. When I say free it means no upfront fee, so at the end of the contract if I sell the phone I will be more than happy to get a sum for it without factoring in how much it has cost through the tariff. I understand what you are saying but I doubt many people think about that bit that much.

Well I think its pretty relevant to the discussion when talking about devaluation between products.

For instance, you can currently get an iPhone 6 free on contract in the UK, but you have to pay £53.50 per month for two years - equating to £1284

Alternatively you can buy a sim only deal for £15 per month - £360
iPhone 6 unlocked - £539
Total - £899

So your paying an additional £385 for the benefit of not buying the phone outright.

 

[mib1800]

Yeah but realistically who factors that in? I know I paid an upfront fee for a handset and a monthly tariff. I don't take away a certain percentage each month to work out how much the phone costs on the whole. If the sale cost of the old handset fetches more than the upgrade fee, then it can be considered breaking even or profit. I am not going to lose sleep over it because the phone has had its use and getting any amount of money for it is a bonus.

If I had upgraded to the Galaxy Note 4 for example it would have been free* on my current contract. When I say free it means no upfront fee, so at the end of the contract if I sell the phone I will be more than happy to get a sum for it without factoring in how much it has cost through the tariff. I understand what you are saying but I doubt many people think about that bit that much.

I believe many people don't really buy a phone based on its resale value.

I have never resell any phone I bought.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well I think its pretty relevant to the discussion when talking about devaluation between products.

For instance, you can currently get an iPhone 6 free on contract in the UK, but you have to pay £53.50 per month for two years - equating to £1284

Alternatively you can buy a sim only deal for £15 per month - £360
iPhone 6 unlocked - £539
Total - £899

So your paying an additional £385 for the benefit of not buying the phone outright.

I would say in your example you are paying an additional £385 for the privilege of have minutes, texts and data on the phone. That is something that differs depending on the contract you choose. The £53.50 example is that much because the tariff has more on offer plus the cost of the phone, not because the phone is more expensive. My point was I doubt many people factor it in because how many contract customers are even aware of how much an iPhone costs? I had to look it up because as long as I am happy with the monthly tariff and the upgrade fee, it doesn't even figure.

When you are upgrading and selling off old devices you pretty much break even if it covers the upgrade fee. If you are selling a device for a cold hard profit with no upgrade, then I would say the original cost would come into the equation. It is difficult to compare iPhone's and Android phone's in this instance because most Android phones are free on contracts over £30p/m in the UK. It is more satisfying getting a price for them at the end because the over all impression is the cost was completely absorbed in the contract anyway. With an iPhone its always pleasant to get £230+ because more often than not it means the next upgrade is free.

 

[I7guy]

almost correct.....you can sell you phone at anytime. But you are still obligated to pay for the line for the length of the contract. You can end the contract and pay the early termination fee.........

That's why I was specific and said after two years.

You can't create money out of thin air. So your 2 year contract already factored in the phone at full retail price.

So it is more valid to just use the retail price for depreciation calculation.

The price the phone fetches is the price. The price you can sell your phone for is independent of whether it came off contract or bought outright. Unless you want to arbitrage your phone buys and sells all that really matters, is the iphone has historically fetched a good price. A lot of people can use to almost fully fund there next purchase.

 

[Dave.UK]

I would say in your example you are paying an additional £385 for the privilege of have minutes, texts and data on the phone. That is something that differs depending on the contract you choose. The £53.50 example is that much because the tariff has more on offer plus the cost of the phone, not because the phone is more expensive. My point was I doubt many people factor it in because how many contract customers are even aware of how much an iPhone costs? I had to look it up because as long as I am happy with the monthly tariff and the upgrade fee, it doesn't even figure.

When you are upgrading and selling off old devices you pretty much break even if it covers the upgrade fee. If you are selling a device for a cold hard profit with no upgrade, then I would say the original cost would come into the equation. It is difficult to compare iPhone's and Android phone's in this instance because most Android phones are free on contracts over £30p/m in the UK. It is more satisfying getting a price for them at the end because the over all impression is the cost was completely absorbed in the contract anyway. With an iPhone its always pleasant to get £230+ because more often than not it means the next upgrade is free.

I think you misread my post. If you bought the phone separately and a sim only deal - you would have exactly the same but be saving £385 over the two years.

 

[jamezr]

That's why I was specific and said after two years.



The price the phone fetches is the price. The price you can sell your phone for is independent of whether it came off contract or bought outright. Unless you want to arbitrage your phone buys and sells all that really matters, is the iphone has historically fetched a good price. A lot of people can use to almost fully fund there next purchase.

No....you don't have to wait 2 years.....you can sell the phone anytime you wish.
You can break the contract anytime you wish pay the ETF and sell the phone....or sell the phone and continue the contract...... buy another phone (third party) to use on the existing contract.

Originally Posted by I7guy View Post
In the U.S. a verizon contract phone is $299/$199/$99. After two years you can sell the phone.

On the other hand swappa is telling me $600 buy price for my used 64 gig 5s iphone. So my depreciation is 33%.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Facebook says 66% of Android phones it sees have iPhone 4 era specs...

I think you misread my post. If you bought the phone separately and a sim only deal - you would have exactly the same but be saving £385 over the two years.

I didn't realise the difference was as much as that. A friend of mine was doing comparisons like this and the biggest saving over 2 years he could find on identical tariffs was £80. For me that wouldn't be worth stumping the cash up for, but £385 is a huge amount. What carrier is that with Dave?

 

[I7guy]

No....you don't have to wait 2 years.....you can sell the phone anytime you wish.
You can break the contract anytime you wish pay the ETF and sell the phone....or sell the phone and continue the contract...... buy another phone (third party) to use on the existing contract.

Yes I know about early termination. Sure it's an option.

 

[Dave.UK]

I didn't realise the difference was as much as that. A friend of mine was doing comparisons like this and the biggest saving over 2 years he could find on identical tariffs was £80. For me that wouldn't be worth stumping the cash up for, but £385 is a huge amount. What carrier is that with Dave?

That plan was with Vodafone. For the comparison the iPhone was from Apple and the sim only unlimited plan was with 3.