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beosound3200

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Don't take too seriously those paragraphs, they are an intent from DED to bash more Android.

I guess you didnt get the memo. Apple now controls 86% of profits in the smartphone industry. How could that be possible without asp of 200 bucks and a large majority of low end, pos smartphones on the android side?


Windows vs mac all over again. Beige boxes vs high end high margin macs. Ring a bell?

Mention one high end pc selling as well as a similar mac for a similar price? You cant? Well, you probably wont for android too in a couple of years

Also, occasional times aside, ded actually bases most of its analysis on cold facts. The problem is those facts, like asp, brand, profits, web usage are so skewed to the apple side that he himself looks extremely bias. But thats usually because apparently apple is absolutely crashing and monopolizing smartphone industry, at least economically. Now, considering everyones in it because of the economics, i would think twice before investing in a certain ecosystem, would that be smart of me?
 

Oletros

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Also, occasional times aside, ded actually bases most of its analysis on cold facts.


Very funny. Because it is a joke, isn't?

If it is not, you have to post on Appleinsider forums, perhaps there you will be applauded, here it is only a poor attempt at starting an stupid fame bait iwth a lot of nonsense.
 

jamezr

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Very funny. Because it is a joke, isn't?

If it is not, you have to post on Appleinsider forums, perhaps there you will be applauded, here it is only a poor attempt at starting an stupid fame bait iwth a lot of nonsense.
agreed! The AI forums have their own version of reality.......
 

ChazUK

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Wow @ parts of this thread.

Maybe its a rose tinted outlook but this shows that the android open source project has served one of its purposes in giving those in less affluent economies the ability to possess a smartphone, giving them access to swathes of information available on the internet and new methods of communication (like Facebook).

I haven't read the original AI article so I can't comment on their spin but all I can say is this is a great thing for the third world and those less fortunate than us.
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
Yes i linked to an Appleinsider article (Cos thats where i initially saw the story). But the numbers are quoted from Facebook itself. Or are you shocked! Facebook posted those numbers too

-- Facebook did not say the things that the AI article claimed

The AI article claimed that "66 percent of the installed base of Android users accessing Facebook are on the level of an iPhone 4 or Samsung Galaxy S2, which shipped with Android 2.3 Gingerbread."

-- No, not iPhone 4 level

First off, the Facebook article made no comparisons to iPhones, and they certainly did not say 2011 was "iPhone 4 era". They said 2011 ANDROID LEVEL, which is different.

(The model Facebook chose to mark a 2011 Android phone, had twice the RAM and a larger display than the later iPhone 4S, 5, 5C and 5S.)

In fact, making price or other comparisons to iOS was clearly not the intention of the Facebook programmers. It was simply to give themselves helpful demarcation points as to what Android phone specs to program toward.

-- Gingerbread? You mean, Jelly Bean.

Yes, the GS2 came with Gingerbread, but it was later updated all the way to Jelly Bean.

In fact, Facebook specifically said: "...the bulk of devices we now see are running Jelly Bean."

AI deliberately ignored both the updates and the Facebook comment.

-- 2/3 below means 1/3 above, and that's the same number as the iPhone

The most important take-away is something I have repeatedly brought up: PERCENTAGES ARE MEANINGLESS WITHOUT KNOWING THE ACTUAL QUANTITIES.

Especially since Android phones sell at three times the number of iPhones. E.g. 1.5 billion Android phones have been sold vs 0.5 billion iPhones. Which means just 1/3 of something Android == ALL iPhones.

So it doesn't matter if 2/3 of Android phones are 2011 Android (NOT IPHONE) specs or below, since that also means 1/3 are 2012 Android specs or above.

And that 1/3 quantity is the numerical equivalent of all iPhones in use. It would be a very good guess that most iPhones in use are also 2012 specs (IPHONE specs) or above.
 

stroked

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Yet they continue to be bought, as a lot of people 1. don't have the money, 2. don't want a contract, or would never qualify to have one but still want access to basic apps like Facebook and whatsapp, and are willing to put up with a lemon of a device if it allows them access.

3. or just want a phone to talk to other people
 

beosound3200

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Nov 23, 2010
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Very funny. Because it is a joke, isn't?

If it is not, you have to post on Appleinsider forums, perhaps there you will be applauded, here it is only a poor attempt at starting an stupid fame bait iwth a lot of nonsense.

maybe you didnt understand what i wrote? let me break it down for you..

apple commands 86% of smartphone industry profits. comment?

all android oems operate in red or barely break even except samsung. comment?

samsung is unable compete both on high end because of apple, and on low end because of chinese oems operating in red resulting in massive fall of profit poised to continue. comment?

companies operating in red fail to accomplish the sole reason of their existence -making profit. comment?

companies who dont make profit in certain industry arent inclined to continue operating in said industry. comment?

given the above, it isn too far fetched to conclude most, if not all android oems have a very grim future, if theres future at all. comment?

so ill ask again. this time maybe you'll understand both the question asked and the factual basis for the said question. is it smart for me to heavily invest in a, from the economic standpoint, failing and extremely unhealthy ecosystem?

but yeah, im probably in denial, clouded by ded extremely biased writing, hence concluding that apple actually makes no money, doesnt have 'develop for first' ecosystem and that its failing on all of the important metrics like consumer stats, web usage, monetization and asp, actually reversing roles between android oems and apple. did i get this right?
 

khha4113

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Oct 12, 2013
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-- Facebook did not say the things that the AI article claimed

The AI article claimed that "66 percent of the installed base of Android users accessing Facebook are on the level of an iPhone 4 or Samsung Galaxy S2, which shipped with Android 2.3 Gingerbread."

-- No, not iPhone 4 level

First off, the Facebook article made no comparisons to iPhones, and they certainly did not say 2011 was "iPhone 4 era". They said 2011 ANDROID LEVEL, which is different.

(The model Facebook chose to mark a 2011 Android phone, had twice the RAM and a larger display than the later iPhone 4S, 5, 5C and 5S.)

In fact, making price or other comparisons to iOS was clearly not the intention of the Facebook programmers. It was simply to give themselves helpful demarcation points as to what Android phone specs to program toward.

-- Gingerbread? You mean, Jelly Bean.

Yes, the GS2 came with Gingerbread, but it was later updated all the way to Jelly Bean.

In fact, Facebook specifically said: "...the bulk of devices we now see are running Jelly Bean."

AI deliberately ignored both the updates and the Facebook comment.

-- 2/3 below means 1/3 above, and that's the same number as the iPhone

The most important take-away is something I have repeatedly brought up: PERCENTAGES ARE MEANINGLESS WITHOUT KNOWING THE ACTUAL QUANTITIES.

Especially since Android phones sell at three times the number of iPhones. E.g. 1.5 billion Android phones have been sold vs 0.5 billion iPhones. Which means just 1/3 of something Android == ALL iPhones.

So it doesn't matter if 2/3 of Android phones are 2011 Android (NOT IPHONE) specs or below, since that also means 1/3 are 2012 Android specs or above.

And that 1/3 quantity is the numerical equivalent of all iPhones in use. It would be a very good guess that most iPhones in use are also 2012 specs (IPHONE specs) or above.
Great post! That's the reason I never read AI. It only spreads FUD on android.
 

Jibbajabba

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Aug 13, 2011
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most people that use flagship android devices know not to install the android facebook app ;)

I avoid facebook most of the time, but when I do log on it's through the browser. the android app has had a bad reputation for ages.

Not just people with flagship devices but also people who dont like being forced to use the messanger app and therefore prefer the web version ;)
 

cdmoore74

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You don't need a powerful phone/tablet running icecream sandwich to use facebook. My wife uses a iphone 5 and I see it lasting another 2 years for want she does. Same thing can be said about iPad 1.
Many people have very basic needs. Some of the crappiest devices we consider junk is still usefull for many people.
 

mi7chy

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Oct 24, 2014
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apple commands 86% of smartphone industry profits. comment?

It means you paid too much for bendable junk, last generation LCD, no OLED, low 1GB DRAM, no precision pen and buggy and laggy iOS 8. Only ignorant people brag about getting overcharged while smart consumers get the most bang for their buck like buying a car for little over or under invoice.
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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it means you paid too much for bendable junk, last generation lcd, no oled, low 1gb dram, no precision pen and buggy and laggy ios 8. only ignorant people brag about getting overcharged while smart consumers get the most bang for their buck like buying a car for little over or under invoice.

nice :)
 

Oletros

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Jul 27, 2009
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a lot of things without nothing to do with my post

The one that didn't understood is you, well, it is not that you didn't understood, it is that you write what you want to write regardless of what others say.

Can you understand that I have say ashit about Apple profits, I have talked about DED.

So, ignored and reported, because what you do on this subforum has a name
 

daneoni

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Haha, so you edit your post to hide the fact you were quoting an Apple Insider article written by one of the most pro-Apple bloggers in the world. :rolleyes:

The original AI link is still present in the original post though...so i'm not really sure what you're rolling your eyes for. Meh...whatever makes you feel better.
 

beosound3200

macrumors 6502a
Nov 23, 2010
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The one that didn't understood is you, well, it is not that you didn't understood, it is that you write what you want to write regardless of what others say.

Can you understand that I have say ashit about Apple profits, I have talked about DED.

So, ignored and reported, because what you do on this subforum has a name

yeah, its called stating statistics and overall industry commentary and is a respond to your denial of industry consensus and undeserved derogatory comments of ded. also, is highly relevant to the topic - it answers the 'how?'

and really? discussion about apples monetization monopoly isnt worth discussing and deserves report? get a grip. im not here calling people names like you, just stating the plain old statistics

now, contribute to the discussion

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It means you paid too much for bendable junk, last generation LCD, no OLED, low 1GB DRAM, no precision pen and buggy and laggy iOS 8. Only ignorant people brag about getting overcharged while smart consumers get the most bang for their buck like buying a car for little over or under invoice.

yeah, but i wonder from who you'll buy that cutting edge tech?
 
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SlCKB0Y

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Feb 25, 2012
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now, contribute to the discussion

You must have missed the part where they stated that they (justifiably) ignored you.

It all works out pretty evenly. According to Apple fans, most Android phones are 2011 tech and according to Android fans, the latest iPhone just joined 2012...

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beosound3200

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Nov 23, 2010
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You must have missed the part where they stated that they (justifiably) ignored you.

It all works out pretty evenly. According to Apple fans, most Android phones are 2011 tech and according to Android fans, the latest iPhone just joined 2012...

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do you want a performance comparison now between 2013 a7 being 50% faster than 2014 snapdragon 805?

but who cares about this, im not discussing your personal preference, only you can know whats best for you, and frankly i dont care whats best for you. what interests me is below.

why is the vast majority of android phones low end, how much more can the asp fall, is operating with no margins viable option, why android high end dont sell, is there a future for htc and the likes operating in red or barely breaking even, how does xiaomi plan to operate near margin monetizing instead their services, why is google making 180 turn with the pricing of nexus, is there space for any meaningful r&d/buy/hire while operating with no margins, etc.

if this isnt the right topic, i would be grateful if someone would direct me to the right one because i dont feel its necessary to open a new thread for the discussion of the above. i really think this is important because its driving smartphone industry to ****, rendering the competition non-existant which can only mean bad things to end user.

and please, please, try to see things beyond your own nose, your own preference and your own financial situation. i dont care if you got a great deal on your phone, i care if android oems can operate in red or not. because if they can not, we found ourselves in a bit of a situation dont you think?
 

TimelessOne

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Oct 29, 2014
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The one that didn't understood is you, well, it is not that you didn't understood, it is that you write what you want to write regardless of what others say.

Can you understand that I have say ashit about Apple profits, I have talked about DED.

So, ignored and reported, because what you do on this subforum has a name
Yep best way to deal with those people is exactly what you did. Like you I learn to just ignore this people has giving them thing gives them some crazy high. Their brain is addicted to the attention good or bad.
I saw his post and it look like pure flame bait or looking like it was straight from someone trolling.
 

Technarchy

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I'm wagering 80% of android phones sold are NOT flagships, so this sounds about right.

Android has a massive chunk of phone market as well. It's delusional to think most people are buying high end phones.

In just about any market, the high end is always the smallest piece of the pie.
 

Shanghaichica

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Apr 8, 2013
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I'm wagering 80% of android phones sold are NOT flagships, so this sounds about right.

Android has a massive chunk of phone market as well. It's delusional to think most people are buying high end phones.

In just about any market, the high end is always the smallest piece of the pie.

I think it varies depending on where you are. In the UK most Android phones are high end as the majority are free on contract anyway. I think in places like China the majority will be low end devices made by Chinese OEM's.
 

Savor

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I sometimes wish Android OEM's create another phone with the similar designs of their older models similar to Nike Air Jordan Retros. Very rarely do I really like designs. And even rarer when they could be aesthetically pleasing to look at and comfortable to hold (minus a case).

Not every iPhone gen I fell in love with. I say about half I liked which was like 3 (og, 4/4s, 5s) out of 6. I don't really like iPhone 6/6 Plus, 3G/3Gs, or 5c. And I only like the space gray 5s and only the back as the TouchID doesn't look as good as the white fronts. Started hating gold 5s and never fell in love with the original iP5 in any color including the slate's Scruffgate.

Nexus One (codenamed Passion) was the first smartphone I ever liked from Android from a design/ergonomic standpoint. It fits the criteria of specs worse than iPhone 4 being released between 3GS and iP4. I loved that device. But I did wish HTC brought back that design. So unique-looking albeit its cousin, HTC Desire, did share similar looks.

Many older models have an enduring quality like Nokia N8, N9, BlackBerry 9900, and Galaxy Nexus. I just wished those same classic designs but upgraded internals. I wouldn't mind if they went bigger since some screens would be too small to text nowadays. The years in 2010 and 2011 had some of my favorite phone designs. They're an oldie but still a goodie.
 
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