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Slartibart

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gentleperson,

I just discovered that as of iPadOS 15.2 FileBrowser as well as FileExplorer can´t produce reliable copies of larg(er) files from iPad to external media (e.g. 11” iPP 2020 to Samsung T7/ExFat).
Only larger files especially videos seems to be affected - at least so it seems, Mp3 or RAWs are copied reliable.
Strangely connecting and reconnecting the external media can make “unreadable” video files “readable” again - but the whole issue seems pretty random. Anyone else?
 
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Glad that I found this thread as I was assuming that my SD card was broken. I was using my iPad Pro 2021 to transfer photos from an SD card directly to an external SSD via a USB C hub. A lot of files were corrupted. But not only those on the destination drive, even the source files on the camera SD are damaged. As many of you mentioned, it’s hard to trust an iPad now for such a simple task. Is there a way to recover the corrupted files?

I think the main issue is not being able to eject the drives properly before disconnecting them physically.

Well, ends up me buying some new SDs just to be on the safe side as well as a MB Air M1 for backup on the go…
I tried to repair the files via VLC but no luck. Tell us if you find some worthy SW.
 

slplss

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gentleperson,

I just discovered that as of iPadOS 15.2 FileBrowser as well as FileExplorer can´t produce reliable copies of larg(er) files from iPad to external media (e.g. 11” iPP 2020 to Samsung T7/ExFat).
Only larger files especially videos seems to be affected - at least so it seems, Mp3 or RAWs are copied reliable.
Strangely connecting and reconnecting the external media can make “unreadable” video files “readable” again - but the whole issue seems pretty random. Anyone else?
Maybe ExFat is the problem.. my corrupted files were copied to ExFat. Shame on me x10 not formating the SSD to APFS. But I would have to be crazy to trust iPad with my footage again.
 

Slartibart

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Glad that I found this thread as I was assuming that my SD card was broken. I was using my iPad Pro 2021 to transfer photos from an SD card directly to an external SSD via a USB C hub. A lot of files were corrupted. But not only those on the destination drive, even the source files on the camera SD are damaged. As many of you mentioned, it’s hard to trust an iPad now for such a simple task. Is there a way to recover the corrupted files?
I usually write protect the SD cards before copying from them. Otherwise using FileBrowser or FileExplorer still seems to improve the process - but is sadly I have some personal anectdotal evidence that (at least) iPadOS 15.2 introduced some new problems.

In relation to recovery of corrupted files: it depends on the type of corruption.

You need a computer for this.

First step should be to try to make a copy of the affected files.

If the filesize seems feasable you can open a working and a corrupted file of the same filetype with a Hexeditor (e.g. Hexfiend). Check the header of the working file and compare it to the corrupted one. If only the header is effected you can copy it from the working file and paste it to corrupted one. Save and try to open the file.

I do not have my Mac at hand, but if I remember correctly image processing programs like GraphicConverter offer open a ”raw” file - that is, if you know the dimension in pixels of a corrupted photo you can supply that info on import and the program will try to create a picture from the data. You can then save the picture in a format you like (I am not referring to camera RAW files here).

Otherwise you can try to repair the filesystem if affected and then check wether you can recover your files afterwards.

Lastly there are various commercial recovery programs - maybe someone can contribute?

EDIT: if you have access to a Linux system you can try to recover the files using Photorec (which might work on MacOS via brew).
 
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UltimoInfierno

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Maybe ExFat is the problem.. my corrupted files were copied to ExFat. Shame on me x10 not formating the SSD to APFS. But I would have to be crazy to trust iPad with my footage again.
ExFAT is only a problem on Apple Gear (even on mac's each new iteration of the OS starts out with ExFAT problems, it seems).

Lot's of - even really cheap - cameras have used ExFAT for years and years, and also in professional use cases, where damaged files equals lost income (and popularity sinks for that manufacturer ;-) ExFAT has been the file system gold standard for near twenty years.

Only Apple seems to have persistent problems on the ExFAT front.

My Windows gear has had a trouble free life since Windows 7 (can't remember, if ExFAT was in standard use on Windows 2000 and Vista, anyway, that's of no consequence today). Even my Samsung Android smartphones have worked with native ExFAT support without problems with internal or external memory/disks with ExFAT format for years. Without crashing, data loss and all the other weird experiences inherent in iOS and iPadOS. Even with far better performance to external USB-C based gear.

My iPad Pro's have long been relegated to "web browsing only" and other simple tasks (playing a video or an audiobook, reading an Amazon Kindle book etc.).

My really oooold Microsoft Surface Pro 4 - from late 2015 (?) - runs rings around my iPads - also when using terabyte disks etc. through any half decent hub available on the market. At far higher transfer speeds in real life. Without damaging external media file content. For years and years it's been that way. Day in, day out. Anywhere. Except for a short stint using iPad Pro's in 2017 (or was it 2018?) my goto travel tablet, has been the Surface Pro. Still is.

In Windows circles, it's become somewhat slow, but it's reliable, and I can still use real Pro tools, (no crippled finger play toys linke on Pad). Tools like Lightroom Classic, the Affinity Photo, Designer and Publisher tools. The Microsoft pencil also works as advertised (A built in battery typically lasts 3-4 years and costs a few dollars to renew). Networking is standard Windows networking, and not the weird and wonky Apple iOS/ipadOS File handling, where you're never sure about what goes on. Or if it does, at all ;-)

The Microsoft Pro 4 is old. It's slow by any modern Windows or Mac standard, but it gets the things done. Reliably, in a controlled and verifyable manner - with an abundance of Windows tools available. I haven't lost image files travelling anywhere in the world. The Surface Pro 4 is a true frequent flyer - probably half a million miles in the air, really long distances in trains and crossing oceans on sea. Traveling all continents except Antarctica. It's even survived an accidental "Lemon Ice Tea" bath - leaking flask in my shoulder bag - and after being dried a few hours, it - lucky me - has continued working for around four years since. Still alive this moment, backing up in standard, background fashion from it's temporary seat on my sofa table to my NAS.

If Apple can't get their act together and deliver decent and reliable ExFAT support, they're.... ahem... you decide, what to call the oafs in Apple operating system development. It's not that the companys handling problems has been unknown - for several years even.

Ah... that helped!!!

Regards and a big smile.

P.S. I love, that the mac's treat the Windows NTSF file system as readonly only. That way, content never gets whacked by macOS in some initial flux or unknown reliability state owe the years ;-)
 
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Aldwych

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Unbelievable that they are introducing even more exFAT problems instead of fixing the existing ones. :rolleyes:
I just want to be able to trust my iPad Pro with copying files, is that really too much to ask? :(:mad:
 
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ExFAT is only a problem on Apple Gear (even on mac's each new iteration of the OS starts out with ExFAT problems, it seems).

Lot's of - even really cheap - cameras have used ExFAT for years and years, and also in professional use cases, where damaged files equals lost income (and popularity sinks for that manufacturer ;-) ExFAT has been the file system gold standard for near twenty years.

Only Apple seems to have persistent problems on the ExFAT front.

My Windows gear has had a trouble free life since Windows 7 (can't remember, if ExFAT was in standard use on Windows 2000 and Vista, anyway, that's of no consequence today). Even my Samsung Android smartphones have worked with native ExFAT support without problems with internal or external memory/disks with ExFAT format for years. Without crashing, data loss and all the other weird experiences inherent in iOS and iPadOS. Even with far better performance to external USB-C based gear.

My iPad Pro's have long been relegated to "web browsing only" and other simple tasks (playing a video or an audiobook, reading an Amazon Kindle book etc.).

My really oooold Microsoft Surface Pro 4 - from late 2015 (?) - runs rings around my iPads - also when using terabyte disks etc. through any half decent hub available on the market. At far higher transfer speeds in real life. Without damaging external media file content. For years and years it's been that way. Day in, day out. Anywhere. Except for a short stint using iPad Pro's in 2017 (or was it 2018?) my goto travel tablet, has been the Surface Pro. Still is.

In Windows circles, it's become somewhat slow, but it's reliable, and I can still use real Pro tools, (no crippled finger play toys linke on Pad). Tools like Lightroom Classic, the Affinity Photo, Designer and Publisher tools. The Microsoft pencil also works as advertised (A built in battery typically lasts 3-4 years and costs a few dollars to renew). Networking is standard Windows networking, and not the weird and wonky Apple iOS/ipadOS File handling, where you're never sure about what goes on. Or if it does, at all ;-)

The Microsoft Pro 4 is old. It's slow by any modern Windows or Mac standard, but it gets the things done. Reliably, in a controlled and verifyable manner - with an abundance of Windows tools available. I haven't lost image files travelling anywhere in the world. The Surface Pro 4 is a true frequent flyer - probably half a million miles in the air, really long distances in trains and crossing oceans on sea. Traveling all continents except Antarctica. It's even survived an accidental "Lemon Ice Tea" bath - leaking flask in my shoulder bag - and after being dried a few hours, it - lucky me - has continued working for around four years since. Still alive this moment, backing up in standard, background fashion from it's temporary seat on my sofa table to my NAS.

If Apple can't get their act together and deliver decent and reliable ExFAT support, they're.... ahem... you decide, what to call the oafs in Apple operating system development. It's not that the companys handling problems has been unknown - for several years even.

Ah... that helped!!!

Regards and a big smile.

P.S. I love, that the mac's treat the Windows NTSF file system as readonly only. That way, content never gets whacked by macOS in some initial flux or unknown reliability state owe the years ;-)

I agree. This isn't rocket science or difficult technology (I have a background in OS development). Very frustrating. As I mentioned earlier, I do nothing with external media connected to the iPad without first having a backup copy elsewhere.
 

rui no onna

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ExFAT is only a problem on Apple Gear (even on mac's each new iteration of the OS starts out with ExFAT problems, it seems).

Lot's of - even really cheap - cameras have used ExFAT for years and years, and also in professional use cases, where damaged files equals lost income (and popularity sinks for that manufacturer ;-) ExFAT has been the file system gold standard for near twenty years.

Only Apple seems to have persistent problems on the ExFAT front.

P.S. I love, that the mac's treat the Windows NTSF file system as readonly only. That way, content never gets whacked by macOS in some initial flux or unknown reliability state owe the years ;-)

Mind, it's not just exFAT that iOS has an issue with. I've found FAT32 got corrupted as well. Likely FAT16, too, but I just didn't have any drives formatted like that.

Since I mostly need to write on Windows and read on iPad, I've taken to formatting flash drives with NTFS as well. No corruptions on that so far, thankfully.
 
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Slartibart

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Maybe ExFat is the problem.. my corrupted files were copied to ExFat. Shame on me x10 not formating the SSD to APFS. But I would have to be crazy to trust iPad with my footage again.
I am copying for years from iOS/iPadOS devices to NAS or e.g USB-sticks mounted as an SMB-share (all formated ExFat) without any problem. As long as it is over LAN or WLAN.
If I connect the same device directly to an iPP running 15.2 copying becomes unreliable.
APFS doesn’t really help. First- which is of course just anecdotical - I run a test with an external SSD formated with it and run into the same kind of problem. Reading from it works, writing to it is unreliable. Secondly when moving data between different OS, APFS isn’t a solution for me - yes, there are options like Paragon’s software, but for various reasons I can’t assure that it is available on any computer/device I need transfer data to. On a private scale thismight work, professionally it doesn’t for me.

So, I encourage everyone here reading/participating to give Apple feedback on this issue… even if it is the nth time to do so.
 

Ludatyk

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gentleperson,

I just discovered that as of iPadOS 15.2 FileBrowser as well as FileExplorer can´t produce reliable copies of larg(er) files from iPad to external media (e.g. 11” iPP 2020 to Samsung T7/ExFat).
Only larger files especially videos seems to be affected - at least so it seems, Mp3 or RAWs are copied reliable.
Strangely connecting and reconnecting the external media can make “unreadable” video files “readable” again - but the whole issue seems pretty random. Anyone else?
Yeah, I've stopped copying files from iPad to external drive. It's not worth the time... its rarely reliable. From photos to videos... they get corrupt.

Copying to the iPad works perfectly! I've copied 20gb+ 4k movies with ease.
 
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Chaparral02

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I no understand how apple can make software for there computers, Ipads, Macbooks, Mobile phones etc for so many years but they can't even make something this simple work :oops:

Reading this thread makes me feel like i spent a hell lot of money on some ipad pro's that i won't even be able to backup to a USB device

Guessing my problem is am far to used to using windows and android software over the years where things like this just work far better
 
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sparksd

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I no understand how apple can make software for there computers, Ipads, Macbooks, Mobile phones etc for so many years but they can't even make something this simple work :oops:

Reading this thread makes me feel like i spent a hell lot of money on some ipad pro's that i won't even be able to backup to a USB device

Guessing my problem is am far to used to using windows and android software over the years where things like this just work far better

Yeah, I can't remember how many years ago I started using OTG cables and HDDs with my Android devices - without any problems.
 

Digitalguy

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My solution to the problem has been.... NTFS. I have had zero issues since. I realised I never need to copy from iPad to external drive, but only from external to iPad or read from external. The extremely rare instances where I need to copy from iPad to external drive I just airdrop to my Mac...
I enabled full NTFS support on my Macbook air and on my M1 Mac Mini. And most of the time I am on Windows so NTFS is just perfect. I still keep a couple of smaller drives on exfat mainly for my Samsung S7+ tablet, that does not support NTFS and has also not enough power for some larger SSDs or HHDs...
 
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rui no onna

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My solution to the problem has been.... NTFS. I have had zero issues since. I realised I never need to copy from iPad to external drive, but only from external to iPad or read from external. The extremely rare instances where I need to copy from iPad to external drive I just airdrop to my Mac...
I enabled full NTFS support on my Macbook air and on my M1 Mac Mini. And most of the time I am on Windows so NTFS is just perfect. I still keep a couple of smaller drives on exfat mainly for my Samsung S7+ tablet, that does not support NTFS and has also not enough power for some larger SSDs or HHDs...

Same here. For the most part, I just need write on Windows, read on iPads.

I did buy a 128GB dual USB-C/A flash drive ($20) and formatted it as exFAT just in case I need to sneaker-net files from iPad to PC. Haven’t needed it yet, though. Transfer via Dropbox has been working fine for me which is the same method I’ve been using since iOS 8, iirc.
 
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So the most reliable way to transfer files between iPad Pro 2021 and PC/Mac/Linux machines is iCloud/Dropbox/NAS and if no cloud, external drive formatted in NTFS. However since there is no eject function in iPadOS, external drive could corrupt?
 

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So the most reliable way to transfer files between iPad Pro 2021 and PC/Mac/Linux machines is iCloud/Dropbox/NAS and if no cloud, external drive formatted in NTFS. However since there is no eject function in iPadOS, external drive could corrupt?
iPadOS 15 can only read from NTFS.
 
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Digitalguy

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So the most reliable way to transfer files between iPad Pro 2021 and PC/Mac/Linux machines is iCloud/Dropbox/NAS and if no cloud, external drive formatted in NTFS. However since there is no eject function in iPadOS, external drive could corrupt?
zero risk, since it's read only, otherwise yes I use dropbox and airdrop for small things, external storage is only for large files, like videos
 

hajime

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iPadOS 15 can only read from NTFS.

That is so bad. Why it cannot write to NTFS? Apple's way to make us buy more iCloud storage?

What is the best way to transfer files between iPad Pro 2021 and Windows PC? Direct USB-C/Thunderbolt 4 connection and Windows version of iTunes?
 

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That is so bad. Why it cannot write to NTFS? Apple's way to make us buy more iCloud storage?

What is the best way to transfer files between iPad Pro 2021 and Windows PC? Direct USB-C/Thunderbolt 4 connection and Windows version of iTunes?
I do not think that this is iPadOS specific, it is Apple specific. From what I read MacOS is also unable to write on NTFS drive. It can only read data from it.

I have not found an expiation about this though.
 
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exFAT is the only solution to read and write with both Windows and MacOS.

After reading all of this I am even more disappointed about the iPad not being able to backup files to external drives. It was the only reason I bought it lol, and spent even more on a proper USB C hub. I was really looking forward to copy and edit my photos on the go but I just can’t trust it anymore.

My personal solution is, as my camera has 2 SD slots, buying more SD cards to write all photos on both SD cards internally and eventually backing them up to an external SSD with a McBook, that I first need to buy.
 
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exFAT is the only solution to read and write with both Windows and MacOS.

After reading all of this I am even more disappointed about the iPad not being able to backup files to external drives. It was the only reason I bought it lol, and spent even more on a proper USB C hub. I was really looking forward to copy and edit my photos on the go but I just can’t trust it anymore.

My personal solution is, as my camera has 2 SD slots, buying more SD cards to write all photos on both SD cards internally and eventually backing them up to an external SSD with a McBook, that I first need to buy.

Cheaper solution for this use case - a FileHub ($60):

https://www.ravpower.com/products/rp-wd009-filehub

Before external drive support, this was my go-to device. I still use it if I only take my iPad with me traveling because of this issue. I put in the camera's SD card and attach a drive and kick off the copy. Not real fast but it's launch and forget and has never failed me - sometimes I just use my phone to control it. Also useful as a bridging router in hotels limiting wireless connections.
 

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That is so bad. Why it cannot write to NTFS? Apple's way to make us buy more iCloud storage?

What is the best way to transfer files between iPad Pro 2021 and Windows PC? Direct USB-C/Thunderbolt 4 connection and Windows version of iTunes?

Considering the corruption issues with FAT/exFAT, I’m actually glad NTFS is read-only.
 
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I do not think that this is iPadOS specific, it is Apple specific. From what I read MacOS is also unable to write on NTFS drive. It can only read data from it.

I have not found an expiation about this though.
Macs cannot do it by default. But it's possible by allowing kernel extensions, which Apple considers "reduced security". I am perfectly fine with that so I can use NTFS on Mac just like on Windows.
iPadOS did not allow reading NTFS until iPados 14.5 or 14.6 (I don't remember exactly but some version of 14).
As rui no onna said, given the issues with exFat I am more than glad that NTFS is read only, so that iPad does not damage data on my (many) NTFS drives. For those that want to take the risk, there is exfat. Personally I am lucky enough to have plenty of storage on my iPads (1TB on the 11 pro, 256 on the 12.9) so I don't need external storage and I use dropbox for syncing files between devices. If I need to take a multi-GB file out of the iPad (very rare) I either use airdrop or sendanywhere (for non apple devices).
 
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hajime

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Locally, is NAS a good solution for transferring files between iPad and Windows 10/Mac OS/Linux without issue?
 

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Locally, is NAS a good solution for transferring files between iPad and Windows 10/Mac OS/Linux without issue?

Yes, I do it. You can use the Files app but my preference is FileBrowser Pro (I use it for general file mgmt on my iPP, Mini 6, & iPhone 12 Pro Max).
 
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