I agree that it won't cause a mass revolt. I'm curious how many it will give pause to, if any.
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Flip Flopping between macOS and Windows
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Out of curiosity, I searched back to page 20 where I went from a M1 Air to a custom desktop build, now back to an Air. Was a good run 😸
It sure gave pause to me. I know it can be "disabled". But even that keeps changing. Paul Thurott said that he spoke to the dude that created it and it would be able to be explicitly not installed at first boot. This means that it wouldn't download a large application--so the user would know it wasn't in use.
But then others have chimed in and said that it doesn't do that. It is still there lying dormant just waiting to be activated. Not for me, Clive. Eventually I may have to switch my Win 11 Non-copilot gaming machine over to Linux.
I'm assuming its a newer Air then back on page 20.
So what did you like with the desktop and what changed, to bring you back into the Mac fold? It seems most people who go the custom route as you did, are mostly gamers or wanting some heavy horsepower. What does the Air offer that enticed you to return?
It gave me pause enough to consider Windows 11 Iot Enterprise ltsc.
Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC
Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC is intended for fixed-function, specialized, commercial devices that require a long support lifecycle of 10 years.
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Your Windows is sluggish?
Even on old Core duos, Windows is snappy as long as a SSD is involved.
What are you doing wrong? Just fantasing?
But you are welcome to read the complaints of iMacs 2016 users where Apple consider it OK to run Monterey on a Fusion drive, while forbidding to use more than Catalina on 2012 models even when upgraded to SSD.
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It gave me enough pause to try Ubuntu again. Once I saw that Train Sim Classic runs under Proton on Linux using the ThinkPad (didn’t work on the 2012 MBP), I completely switched to Ubuntu. Hoping to keep the ThinkPad on Ubuntu for the foreseeable future.
Pls be honest: with Windows XP or 7?
Cause to me Windows died when they released 7. And 10 was just the definition of sluggishness, 11 continued the trend.
XP was decent and fairly fast, same was 7 that could run even on such antiques as Pentium 1. Intel Core (even not Duo) was a huge leap back then.
As for 2016 iMacs I have succesfully skipped that era with my 2012 that was as fast as newer models with SSD that I attached to usb
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I'm not seeing that at all, in fact the UI tends to be much snappier then macOS - this isn't just me saying it, but many others have complained about how slow the UI feels on macOS.
No one is forcing you to use Adobe products on windows as well. There's plenty of great low/no costs products to use on windows. This really is a strawman since no one forcing you and others to use adobe on windows
Again, you can use some fantastic office suites like LibreOffice.
I get that you prefer macOS/Macs, that's great but trying to paint the competition as too expensive is a bit laughable when Apple rightfully deserves the reputation of being over priced and over charging for component upgrades (ram/storage).
One thing you get for many PC laptops - that ability to change the battery, upgrade the ram, and increase or replace the storage.
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I used Ubuntu for a time a few years ago and liked it. I might switch my XPS over, or at least dual boot to a Linux flavor until I see where Microsoft is heading with this whole Copilot/Recall thing.
Fantastic. On paper😁
In the world where everyone requires word, excel and power point documents there might be lesser use cases for this free suite. At this point, even Apple’s suit has better compatibility with these formats. I have tried both Libre and Open Office back in the days and ran into couple of issues with formatting.
Not anymore, unfortunately. Except Lenovo maybe but honestly, their laptops are very unreliable. And I will be honest – Apple is responsible for this “trend”. I was also on the bandwagon of “Windows laptops age well” 10 years ago, but things rapidly changed when they all started soldering RAM, inserting batteries deep inside (so you have to take apart the laptop to replace it). At this point only some models got replaceable SSD or just spare M2 slot
I will just agree that it was sorta bearable. Well I am not saying Windows 11 isn’t. With ExplorerTweaker, OpenShell installed, sysmain, windows update and lots of other services disabled it is more or less useable machine
Yep new M3 Air with 24GB RAM and 1TB SSD, prob would have been fine with 16/512. Considered a 14" MBP but wasn't too keen on the slow response time of the panel and I don't need the additional power/features. Surprisingly I am okay with the 60Hz refresh on the Air.
My motive from M1 to custom desktop was gaming as I couldn't get a PS5 on release, which did get some gaming out of it, but not so much the past 1-2 years. The desktop ran great, had more than enough power. With my current use being mainly consumption, it was loud and took up space (stuffing a 5800X and 6900 XT in an ITX case).
I did a short 5 month stint in a help desk role, but wasn't for me and now feel less inclined to sit at a desk when home. Ended up getting rid of it in place of an armchair. May pick up a PS5 later, still waiting on enough games that appeal to me.
I'm enjoying the Air and its silence. I find my self doing what I need to, then closing it and moving onto something else. Where on the desktop I'd sit there reopening stuff for something to do.
Wow !
First time that someone comes with such a strange opinion !
Libre office strieves to become as close to Office as possible and does pretty well, when not perfect
Apple's suite cooks it's own recipe and has some converters, that are just that: converters.
I tried it 7 years ago last time when I was playing with some Linux distros (I guess it was Mint). Maybe they changed so idk. I use Google docs mostly for instant syncing and that I can finish my stuff from any computer, but for casual stuff Apple’s suite is good.
Btw Office is good only for Windows. On Mac it is still a disaster. Old documents open up in small frames, loading times are longer than on cheapest PC. So I completely understand when people say they still have to rely on Windows to do their job tasks
7 years is like forever in the computing world.
My point is using windows does not force you into expensive commercial software, in fact I would say that using the windows platform gives the consumer even more options then the Mac platform
Agreed, MS Office on the Mac is quite inferior for a number of reasons, I go by the adage, use the best tool for the job,.
Why was I using such a poor tool to get my work done? This was one of the early factors for me to switch back to windows. At the time, I was using both platforms, but in time, I found myself more and more on Windows and less and less on the Mac. I still use my MBP, but its one of those 90/10 type of things, 90% of what I do is on windows and 10% on my MBP
I have both. While Office is ways better on Windows, I would not call it a desaster. It can be used quite well, albeit limited (no VB macros, no Access, no Publisher,
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Interesting. In my waffling over the last 10-20 years I have found that Apple/Mac/iOS generally has fewer options than Windows, but for some reason all the software I seem to emotionally/intellectually connect to seems to annoyingly be only available for Apple.
For a long time it was Scrivener, but at least they now have a Windows version. Try finding something that works for document storage and note-taking as well as Devonthink. I can use it end-to-end encrypted with Webdav (I have an Unraid server). Nothing else allows me to do anything close. Web clipping as a simplified PDF? No problem. Markdown? No problem.
RSS apps. The best is either Reeder or Readkit--I am a keyboard guy so I like Readkit. On Windows? Good luck. You will end up having to use a Web App--or something 10 years old in the MS Store.
Mail/Calendar/Contacts. The integrated mail apps on Mac/iOS/iPadOS are so good its not even a contest. Windows eliminated Mail/Calendar/People and replaced it with the God-awfulness that is Web Outlook--with the prerequisite tracking.
Office, I'll give Windows this one. Of course if you don't want telemetry at all, then you are forced to use LibreOffice--which is surprisingly capable and available on all platforms.
Notability same thing. Omnifocus? The best and non-subscription also!
Heck, I have been using a pilot program for Microsoft Remote Desktop to remote into my work environment and it uses better fonts and seems to be an overall better experience than on my 4060 gaming laptop--although that may be less users also.
Even good ole Authy. Discontinued desktop apps, no problem. I'll just install the iPad version on my Mac. Easy Peasy.
Even PDFs! With Apple, PDF reading support is built into the OS.
And Scrivener, Bitwarden, Firefox, Wordpress, VSCodium, Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, ProWritingAid and more are all available on both?
So here I am, stuck with a company whose apps and software is pretty dang good, but the hardware upgrade costs are insane. And now I can't upgrade anything myself. Of course user accessible upgrades seem to be going away on the Windows side as well. See the latest Intel news.
@LiE_ switched back yet? Any updates on your flip flopping between macOS and Windows? Or "klip klapping" even (what we call flip-flops here)
@LiE_ switched back yet? Any updates on your flip flopping between macOS and Windows? Or "klip klapping" even (what we call flip-flops here)
I think I’ve broken the cycle! I’m really content with my M2 Mac Mini for personal use and M2 15 MBA for work. I just swap the cable from the Studio Display depending on what I’m using. Ethernet, mouse and keyboard are connected to the back of the monitor so switch seamlessly.
I have been flipping a lot on my camera, going between a Fujifilm X-T5 and X100V. Finally settled on the X100V, it’s the best match for my documentary type photography.
New keyboard arrived today to replace the MX Keys Mini that had a squeaky space bar. NuPhy Air75 v2.
Windows 11 for me is actually a bit quicker than MacOS 14.5. Windows 10 was also fast.
I still get that sense of "this is so much faster than any of my Macs" when using my PC. Of course, many of the doubters will say, ah, yes, but you are using a custom PC with 32GB RAM, RTX 3060 and so on vs a 16GB Mac with weaker GPU. But my Studio has the M2 Max with 12-core CPU, 30-core GPU, 32GB RAM and still very obviously (to me) slower than my PC running Windows 11.
As I have said before, MacOS is not slow; it is just noticeably slower than my PC. Anyone who uses a Mac really isn't missing anything, but some need to stop insisting that it can't be true.
As I have said before, MacOS is not slow; it is just noticeably slower than my PC. Anyone who uses a Mac really isn't missing anything, but some need to stop insisting that it can't be true.