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Bandaman

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If you're a web developer it matters a lot - Edge is the second most used desktop browser after Chrome.
I mean Edge is Chromium, so it’s basically the same as Chrome, so you don’t exactly need to use Edge even as a web developer. They should work exactly the same.
 
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jljue

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I mean Edge is Chromium, so it’s basically the same as Chrome, so you don’t exactly need to use Edge even as a web developer. They should work exactly the same.

In theory, that should be the expectation, but on my W10 laptop at work, I notice a lot less CPU usage and high fan speed using Chromium Edge vs using Chrome.
 
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Bandaman

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In theory, that should be the expectation, but on my W10 laptop at work, I notice a lot less CPU usage and high fan speed using Chromium Edge vs using Chrome.
I’m saying pages render and function the same. Microsoft has tweaked things to be more efficient.
 

MK500

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Forbes. Be smart and never click on any links to Forbes. If you are getting news/info from there you have MUCH bigger problems than which computer to buy.
 

thenewperson

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This forum is hardly an echo chamber. Literally 95% of the discussions are users helping each other with bugs and most of them understand that software development is really hard and will never be perfect. So no, I don’t buy this idea that there is some brainless cult who jump thoughtlessly to defend these products.
That's typical of Apple forums, but every contrarian fancies themselves the oh-so-oppressed, only-sensible one. It's tiring.
 
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laptech

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Apple fandom is very strong with the M1. Apple could have built a kill switch into the machine that renders the machine useless after 2 years and many members would still defend Apple. It's enjoyable to read to see the lengths people will go to to defend Apple against any negativity :)
 

LonestarOne

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Seems a pretty balanced expose. It's backed up by factual example and it's also not a flag waver review. The bravado of reviews this past week has ranged from pasting Apple Marketing material to almost but not quite criticizing.
Seriously? You actually believe that?

Headlines like “A Slow-Motion Dumpster Fire” are “almost but not quite criticizing”?

Every critic claims he’s “the only one willing to speak the truth”.
 
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dogslobber

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Seriously? You actually believe that?

Headlines like “A Slow-Motion Dumpster Fire” are “almost but not quite criticizing”?

Every critic claims he’s “the only one willing to speak the truth”.
Marketing 101. Apple only gives review models to those who post pretty. Those who step out of line don't get review models. The volume of flag waving reviews drowned out anybody else who said anything negative. It's a classic Apple Marketing tactic we see every product release. This Forbes reviewer simply took an alternate approach by skipping the stuff you know about and reporting the issues he's encountered. I think it's a pretty clever piece that drives home the lack of objectivity in the Apple 'review' press.
 

NT1440

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So he’s purposely using I compatible software from the perspective of “I’m a regular user so how would I know the difference between native and not?”. Which is fine and a fine thing to do.

What I don’t understand is how in the world he chewed through the battery so fast. It seems to be universal amongst heavy benchmarking, gaming, literally throwing anything at it that the M1 machines have terrific battery life any way you look at it....so I’m at a loss as to the battery claims this author is making and why he didn’t include any actual information beyond how quickly he killed it.
 

norbinhouston

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I don't know if this has been mentioned but that Edge error came while he was updating Big Sur in the background. He probably hasn't even finished letting macOS finish up all the stuff it needs to do on a clean install. Tech reviewer indeed.
 

norbinhouston

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Apple fandom is very strong with the M1. Apple could have built a kill switch into the machine that renders the machine useless after 2 years and many members would still defend Apple. It's enjoyable to read to see the lengths people will go to to defend Apple against any negativity :)
But why would it? Because its genuine a great step up from intel. That's no fandom.
 

Steve686

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I think the biggest problem with fan sites and communities is that they create an echo chamber of positive opinions, and this has the potential to drive any brand to the abyss.

Here's the problem: because people in fan communities tend to only talk positively of brand products, the brand will not easily see what's wrong with their own products, thinking that everything is all right when it's not.

The M1 Mac does have flaws. Remember, it's an M1 generation product to begin with. Many programs will simply not work out of the box. There is no good alternative for virtualization yet. You can run 32-bit and 64-bit Windows apps with Crossover, but you have no good alternative for 32-bit MacOS apps. Apple has discontinued support for external GPUs.

Those are flaws that Apple must be aware of and address if they want a larger userbase (and they do). For example, Crossover has proved that legacy compatility at a reasonable speed CAN be attained, and it doesn't have to be integrated into the operating system. It can be developed and sold as a separate component. If Crossover can create separate software to run legacy software, so can Apple.

Also, another flaw of communities is that they lead to the thinking that everyone that doesn't like a brand's products is misguided, wrong, or flat out dishonest, which is not true. There are perfectly valid reasons not to like a product even if it's well-designed for its purpose.

Quite frankly ANY group of people that meets physically or virtually on a mutual basis is going to have a general underlying direction.

I've been on these forums for about 13 years and this place is full of ALL points of view, good, bad, and ugly.

If you think that Apple isn't going to be able to see what is wrong with their products because of some website, you aren't able to see the bigger picture. This site has scathingly highlighted some of Apple's biggest flops and shortcomings which have, in turn, been picked up by national media.

And if you also think this website could drive Apple to, as you say "The Abyss", maybe you should get out more and deal with real world experiences and people, and less with a supposedly problematic and fan'ish website. I'm going to guess that somewhere in the area of >99% of Apple's customers have never even visited these forums so Apple's $2,000,000,000,000 value is pretty safe.

I know it's harder these days with COVID scaring so many people into hermit mode, but trust me, it's worth opening your views a bit more.
 

Jimmy James

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I won’t speak to the article. I’ll speak to the publication. Decades ago I had a higher opinion of them. I haven’t seen anything I want to read from that publication for many years. I view them along the lines of The National Equirer.
 

ght56

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Forbes seems to hate on Apple devices as a general rule and they play a lot of clickbait games with iPhone-related news, sometimes using just one or two Twitter posts to argue systematic issues might exist. Many of their points about the current limitations are valid, but they completely glossed over all of the positive aspects. It's really not a balanced perspective.

However, the point about lack of objectivity with Apple reviews is potentially valid--some reviewers will give Apple huge amounts of praise while missing (or outright ignoring) everything ranging from minor annoyances to bugs to outright design flaws. This is partly a reason why I don't upgrade early on in a product's lifecycle as reviews rarely report the not-so-great parts of the owner experience.
 
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MarkAtl

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To be perfectly fair though, who shouldn't buy is just as important as who should.
And if your software demands are limited to Microsoft Edge, Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Word, Microsoft OneNote and Microsoft Skype for Business then maybe a Mac isn't for you. Perhaps Microsoft Windows is more suited to you.
To quote the "analyst" himself; "I think the new MacBook Pro 13” M1 will be fine for users who use 100% Apple software[...]".
I think the guy should stick to his Microsoft Surface which is fine for users who use 100% Microsoft software.
I’m running Outlook, Word, OneNote, Excel, PowerPoint and Skype just fine. And they’ll be even better when native.
 

LonestarOne

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I won’t speak to the article. I’ll speak to the publication. Decades ago I had a higher opinion of them. I haven’t seen anything I want to read from that publication for many years. I view them along the lines of The National Equirer.

They aren’t really a publication these days so much as a blogging platform. Their “contributors” often have their own agendas. One frequent aerospace contributor, for example, is actually a lobbyist for Lockheed Martin.
 

raccoontail

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Please, get real, even on Windows people don’t use Edge. Not to mention how are they trying to force people to use Edge, that’s a story for another time.
I imagine a substantial portion of Edge users are in managed corporate environments and have no choice in the matter. I still see IE installed for purposes of running legacy Java Apps, though that can usually be done in a chromium extension.
 
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