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Whoever is marketing this has a huge marketing budget. (Hint: biggest company in the world?)
Right next to the state which must have a huge marketing budget, LOUISIANA.

It takes a huge marketing budget to advertise around the world. It takes a focused budget to advertise ONLY in Times Square. This is what Google would do. Something like advertising that Apple should switch to RCS, but ONLY advertise in NY. :)
 
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What’s REALLY Apple-esque? That we have many years of actual marketing material to go by?

That Apple ALWAYS puts their logos on their marketing. All of it.
Yup. And I doubt they'd change that for what would be a new product line. Maybe if it was an unmistakable image of an iPhone or AirPods or something, they could experiment with ditching the logo, but for the vague outline of a smartphone? I don't see it.
 

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What’s REALLY Apple-esque? That we have many years of actual marketing material to go by?

That Apple ALWAYS puts their logos on their marketing. All of it.
You’re being pretty shortsighted. “They always put their logo” is not much of a slam dunk as you seem to think it is. Shaking things up is a possibility, and that is what we’re seeing here IMO.
 
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Yup. And I doubt they'd change that for what would be a new product line. Maybe if it was an unmistakable image of an iPhone or AirPods or something, they could experiment with ditching the logo, but for the vague outline of a smartphone? I don't see it.
I hear you and I keep going back and forth. The shape of the device, or case, or whatever it is, screams Apple to me. But at the same time, even they tell people it's them when they're showing off their stuff. Has it all been digital billboards so far? Like someone else mentioned, I supposed they could throw their logo (or more info) up once the tease makes more sense, as opposed to a static billboard. I want to say it feels like something kinda big, but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
 

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This is very Appleish.
I can see the billboard transforming to full reveal picture on day X with all the logos.

The trick is almost like in a movie Focus - where the people were incepting an idea of the number and color all the way until the final scene.

All people will look at it but they do not need to know who - until later it will transform and people’s memory will play backwards trick.

 

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I hear you and I keep going back and forth. The shape of the device, or case, or whatever it is, screams Apple to me. But at the same time, even they tell people it's them when they're showing off their stuff. Has it all been digital billboards so far? Like someone else mentioned, I supposed they could throw their logo (or more info) up once the tease makes more sense, as opposed to a static billboard. I want to say it feels like something kinda big, but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
It appears like it's all been digital billboards, but they could just as easily add logos to physical billboards as well, especially for the kind of money they have to spend on this stuff.

The other part that makes me doubt this is an Apple campaign is that everything is very referential to prior Apple stuff. "Think greener" is an obvious reference to "think different". "We think therefore we R" is a reference they've famously used before "I think therefor iMac". "Innovation. That's R" is a reference to both "Privacy. That's iPhone." and the famous "can't innovate my ass" line. It comes across as very much wanting you to think it's Apple, which makes it feel like it's not actually them.

Now, obviously I've already been wrong as I thought it was a fake leak or a student project to start with and this is all just educated guessing, but I just don't think this is an Apple thing. They have much more sophisticated ways to drum up hype, not that they even need to in the first place.
 

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So the plot thickens, friend of mine in NYC just sent me this asking if the new phone was out. She doesn't really follow tech very closely, but figured I'd share this here since y'all are already talking about whatever this is supposed to be.

It's not really different than that one train station one, but it's something. Has a pic of this already been posted? I haven't read the whole thread, just jumped in when I saw earlier. Ngl, I'm nerding out a little haha
OK so this confirms that the post yesterday wasn't photoshopped at all.
 
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You’re being pretty shortsighted. “They always put their logo” is not much of a slam dunk as you seem to think it is. Shaking things up is a possibility, and that is what we’re seeing here IMO.
No, it’s pretty long-sighted to take a quick look at ALL Apple advertising available online, and recognize that they’ve never not included their logo.
 

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So it is effective if it’s not Apple, but not effective if it is Apple. Got it. Choose one.
It’s effective, period. Because they got noticed. Because, whomever they are, were able to do a good enough job to get folks, who likely know how Apple does things (including always including their logo), to take pictures, post multiple threads (some which were coalesced back into one) and tell OTHER people about it. They’re getting folks to do a part of their jobs for them for free, viral marketing in a nutshell.
 
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No, it’s pretty long-sighted to take a quick look at ALL Apple advertising available online, and recognize that they’ve never not included their logo.
And even looking at companies that do famously omit logos (e.g. McDonalds) — the imagery in the ads is unmistakably their product. This could be an iPhone, it could be a Samsung, it could be a Xiaomi, it could be anything.
 

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How so? Outside of a few tech enthusiasts on an Apple rumours site, no one seems to be paying attention to this. It's not an effective reveal if no one notices it until after it's over. That just means they shouldn't have run the teaser ads in the first place.
It’s effective, period. Because they got noticed. Because, whomever they are, were able to do a good enough job to get folks, who likely know how Apple does things (including always including their logo), to take pictures, post multiple threads (some which were coalesced back into one) and tell OTHER people about it. They’re getting folks to do a part of their jobs for them for free, viral marketing in a nutshell.
I agree it’s effective. I was making the point against the other poster that no one is paying attention/it’s not effective.
 

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No, it’s pretty long-sighted to take a quick look at ALL Apple advertising available online, and recognize that they’ve never not included their logo.
There are some logical fallacies at play here lol. Fallacy of hasty generalization and appeal to tradition are two that come to mind. I’ve said before in this thread that shaking things up seems like a real possibility with how this ad is being presented. Ad campaigns CAN vary over time. Apple is labeling this product as new and innovative. As such, it stands to reason their approach to announcing this CAN be different than any other typical Apple ad.
 

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There are some logical fallacies at play here lol. Fallacy of hasty generalization and appeal to tradition are two that come to mind. I’ve said before in this thread that shaking things up seems like a real possibility with how this ad is being presented. Ad campaigns CAN vary over time. Apple is labeling this product as new and innovative. As such, it stands to reason their approach to announcing this CAN be different than any other typical Apple ad.
Yeah, changing the style can be a possibility especially running this TV ads on TS and penn station is not that expensive for the sake of trying and market research for apple researchers afterwards. Even the left out childish notes (freshman bachelor student of marketing) looks like controlled leak - this is another marketing of something left at the cafe when in fact might be intentional.
 

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I agree it’s effective. I was making the point against the other poster that no one is paying attention/it’s not effective.
A post on MacRumors doesn't mean something is effective, especially given that no one even knows what the ad is for. And even once we do find out, unless it results in device sales, it's not effective.

It doesn't matter if someone sees an ad or posts about it if it doesn't lead to a sale or at the very least mass awareness.
 
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This is has all the hallmarks of a guerrilla marketing campaign by a small upstart. Hitch your wagon to a whale (metaphor fail!) to try to get a conversation exactly like this one and generate enough bogus buzz that a mainstream outlet picks it up. Someone accidentally left their paper printed business plan in a cafe around the corner from Apple and the week before a major announcement? I wonder how many folders got left and discarded before someone opened one and put pictures up here.

How old does a marketing exec need to be that it wasn’t on an iPad or shared in the cloud?

Apple would put a logo on their ads. Who wouldn’t? A company that has more to lose than gain by doing so— in other words a company that nobody’s heard of. “Bob’s Phones” isn’t going to put their golden retriever logo up there because everyone would first ask “Who?”, then dismiss it with the rest of the noise. If they can get people wondering long enough if it might be Apple then it might get deep enough into their brains that actually remember on Wed even when it isn’t Apple.

If they can get buzz here, then MR puts it on the main page, then Bloomberg reports that MR reported…. We’re just feeding the cause...
 

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A post on MacRumors doesn't mean something is effective, especially given that no one even knows what the ad is for. And even once we do find out, unless it results in device sales, it's not effective.

It doesn't matter if someone sees an ad or posts about it if it doesn't lead to a sale or at the very least mass awareness.
If you look at this ad and don’t think Apple, you’re fooling yourself. It’s as effective as it needs to be for a company like Apple. Thousands of people in Time Square are seeing this - it will do the job Apple wants it to do.
 
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A post on MacRumors doesn't mean something is effective, especially given that no one even knows what the ad is for. And even once we do find out, unless it results in device sales, it's not effective.

It doesn't matter if someone sees an ad or posts about it if it doesn't lead to a sale or at the very least mass awareness.
I’d say it’s “effective” in the weakest definition of the word. It’s essentially tricking someone into communicating their message, and then depends on that person being effective in having someone else communicate the message they received. I didn’t see the ad first hand, so it was “effective” in getting to my eyes, but I’ve told no one in my circle of friends so, as far as it goes, that particular thread pointed in my direction dies with me.

There are likely others that are communicating it to their close circle of friends, though, and it’s still early yet. If the news cycle stays slow, there may be more general interest outlets picking it up for the Friday and weekend clicks. :)
 

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I’d say it’s “effective” in the weakest definition of the word. It’s essentially tricking someone into communicating their message, and then depends on that person being effective in having someone else communicate the message they received. I didn’t see the ad first hand, so it was “effective” in getting to my eyes, but I’ve told no one in my circle of friends so, as far as it goes, that particular thread pointed in my direction dies with me.
Well one of the most greatly perceived movies is one with DiCaprio on an island with no definitive ending - so much buzz around it but you never get to know was he a psycho running from there or indeed a doctor who got crazy because of the place?
 
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This is has all the hallmarks of a guerrilla marketing campaign by a small upstart. Hitch your wagon to a whale (metaphor fail!) to try to get a conversation exactly like this one and generate enough bogus buzz that a mainstream outlet picks it up. Someone accidentally left their paper printed business plan in a cafe around the corner from Apple and the week before a major announcement? I wonder how many folders got left and discarded before someone opened one and put pictures up here.
Yeah, I was wondering that, too. And how many were sent to Apple with Apple going “This is the fourth one of these we’ve gotten, why are people sending us this?”

And, in case anyone believes that advertising in Times Square is prohibitive or a company with a decent sized ad budget

How much does it cost for a Times Square billboard?
A billboard can range in cost from $5,000 for a 1 day program to well over $50,000.

Huge marketing budget? Not quite. :) And for just a static image for 15 seconds? $40 a pop depending on were it’s being displayed!
 
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If you look at this ad and don’t think Apple, you’re fooling yourself. It’s as effective as it needs to be for a company like Apple. Thousands of people in Time Square are seeing this - it will do the job Apple wants it to do.
This assumes it's an Apple ad in the first place. Lots of signs point to it not being one. And if it's not then a random company has just advertised a non-existant Apple product to you. Not a great use of money IMO.

And if it is, again, Apple doesn't even need to tease stuff. Every news outlet on the planet is going to publicise whatever they announce on the 12th anyway, so this would be a complete waste of money for them. It conveys almost no message and has nothing for viewers to do based on what they've seen.

It's ineffective no matter how you look at it.
 

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Well one of the most greatly perceived movies is one with DiCaprio on an island with no definitive ending - so much buzz around it but you never get to know was he a psycho running from there or indeed a doctor who got crazy because of the place?
That's not even close to being comparable. A movie isn't an ad campaign. The movie is the product, and, as a piece of narrative art, it doesn't need to have a firm conclusion or a definitive ending. If you're watching it, you've paid your money and the business objective is already met.
 
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