Having seen an episode, I don't understand why that is/was up for so many awards, but people will watch what they will watch. I find most TV comedy insulting, so it usually doesn't appeal to me.
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If they didn’t tell Ted Lasso was a comedy, I would not have known. The jokes are few and far between, and many of the situations it deals with are surprisingly dark — divorce, a soccer player killing a dog, etc. Yes, I know about dark comedy, but that doesn’t seem to be what they’re going for, either.
As for awards, every industry has awards they give to themselves. They’re nothing but marketing tools; a “best actor” or “best picture” shouldn’t be considered any more significant than “insurance salesman of the year”.
OK, now I feel dumb, I didn't know there was a difference between science fiction and sci-fi. What is it?
You know the bit in Life of Brian about the People's Front of Judea vs the Judean Popular Front...?
But seriously... some fans define "Sci-Fi" as a derogatory term and/or reference to "soft" science fiction/fantasy/space opera versus proper "science fiction" (and the definition of that may vary from anything with a space ship in it, through anything with a slower than light spaceship in it, to something that only deals with the social impact of real science five minutes into the future and/or is one citation away from being accepted by Nature). Others don't care as long as the beer is good. But, hey, you gotta change the jargon regularly so that you can spot the mundanes (or is that "muggles" now?)
They're probably frightened of repeating the Orson Welles' War of the Worlds radio experience...
The only one like that which I've seen is, I think, The Beyond - a one-off, low-ish budget film on Amazon Prime which was... interesting, but not brilliant, I thought. That and a couple of episodes of Babylon 5 that were presented as news reports. Seems quite difficult to maintain the illusion without running into "how would you get footage of that in a documentary?!".
I think you hit the nail on the head with GoT - which is, of course, on record as a success to emulate, except they just kept piling on more and more plot threads and characters without really advancing the main story until any ending was bound to disappoint. American Gods was another one they messed up like that - lost all direction after the first season and I lost the will to watch halfway through season 2 when I found that they were going to pad it out to yet another season... heck, it was only one book, and not a doorstopper at that...
I actually loved that movie, for that reason precisely, although I must admit it didn't even occur to me in this context until you just mentioned it.
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I have to say, as a big fan of the original series I like it. It's more "inspired by Foundation" rather than a straight re-telling of it, which I have personally always preferred in adaptations of great books. If I want the original story, I have it already, I would rather get something new. If they tried to just retell the original story exactly, it would never be as good as the books, so why not do something new instead.
Production values are fantastic, something we see more and more often in scifi series this days, which I am always a big fan on. Acting seems pretty good, Empire in particularly I really like, even though they went a totally different direction with him/them.
I don't like it quite as much as season 1 of Altered Carbon, as far as book adaptations go, but I definitely will add it to my weekly rotation.
Production values are fantastic, something we see more and more often in scifi series this days, which I am always a big fan on. Acting seems pretty good, Empire in particularly I really like, even though they went a totally different direction with him/them.
I don't like it quite as much as season 1 of Altered Carbon, as far as book adaptations go, but I definitely will add it to my weekly rotation.
“’Sci-fi’ is now widely used by people who don't read science fiction. It is used particularly by people who work in movies and television. This makes it, perhaps, a useful term. We can define ’sci-fi’ as trashy material sometimes confused, by ignorant people, with SF. Thus, Star Trek is SF while Godzilla Meets Mothra is sci-fi.” — Isaac Asimov
“‘Sci fi’, those of you who’ve taken Latin know, is the plural of “scum from” and refers to scum from Hollywood.” — Spider Robinson
Ah, nothing like a good "Romans: go home!" written 100 times or else... bad things happen.I actually loved that movie, for that reason precisely, although I must admit it didn't even occur to me in this context until you just mentioned it.
I think so yes, this is why, in the intro narration, Gaal said she would end up knowing them all (Salvor Hardin, Hober Mallow, The Mule -- 250 years of history if I remember correctly) -- things (names especially, and The Mule) that cannot be predicted by psychohistory, so how would she come to know them unless she's in stasis and comes out only at opportune times? That question was bugging me until the end of the 2nd episode anyway.
Same for the emperor and his clones - I believe this show will show us a lot more about the fall of the Empire rather than just mere comments from the Foundation-ers' perspective, so more setup, more character development, and a way of reusing the same actors for a few season. I'm fine with that.
Liking it so far!
What about SyFy?
Haven't watched that channel since they changed the name. Not that it had much worth watching in the first place.
Episode 3 is beautiful. Not sure what I feel about some space tribe using arrow as a weapon (even The Expanse wouldn't go that far I believe?) but I love the time juxtaposition. It is clear that even though the emperors are cloned the next generation clones are different somehow. This will have catastrophic result down the road I'm sure.
But please, please stop with this kissing/making out romance will you? It's so cringe.
But please, please stop with this kissing/making out romance will you? It's so cringe.
TV union rules says there has to be a minimum. AND always partly dressed (for the US and possibly Norway).
Simple and probably wrong explanation for the arrows - they're descending into barbarism (according to the books, and according to the title of episode 4) - not sure how much the show will focus on "Foundation has nuclear power, neighbouring kingdoms don't", so they probably need to show this another way.. WHO KNOWS haha
I also liked the foreshadowing of the return of Gaal - with Hugo saying he was in statis so he's still young despite having been born over 70 years before.. And Hugo is probably a foreshadowing of the Traders - kinda nice to see the universe being developped and Traders not just showing up out of the blue when the plot needs them.
All conjecture.
I liked it. Yes it's all over the place like the reviews out there say, but honestly, the reviews are all over the place too -- some even can't tell apart Gaal and Salvor, Terminus and Trantor, and the 3 clone emperors.
Thanks for the info on arrow 😀
I believe in the show what the Empire has that other don't is ability to travel through worm hole. Can't remember what it's called in the show. The technology that allow you to travel to the edge of galaxy in the brink of an eye.
I believe in the show what the Empire has that other don't is ability to travel through worm hole. Can't remember what it's called in the show. The technology that allow you to travel to the edge of galaxy in the brink of an eye.
Ohhh that. And meanwhile they sent the Foundationers on a “slow ship” that still travels faster than light. Interesting detail… I like the theory!
Episode 3 was weird. I liked the two individual stories of Brother Dusk facing his mortality. with the not-so-sublte hint that "something is wrong" with the new Brother Dawn, and the other story from Terminus was fine, if a bit confusing. But why these two particular plot arcs got mashed into one episode was a baffling choice.
I thought the same. This series is a little hard to follow IMHO.Especially if you haven't read the books I assume.
Incomplete, alternative bow and arrow theory:
It's been shown already since episode 1 that Anacreon loves hunting and bows, as evidenced by the hunting song (about a boy's first time...) and the gift of a bow to the emperors.
In the books, Prince Lepold is hunting Nyak birds, whatever those are. Perhaps these specific Anacreons from ep 3 hunting the Bishop's Claw.. for.. some reason...!?