“Foundation” discussion thread

[AL2TEACH]

Nope. I read a few Buffy the Vampire Slayer comics I got free somehow as an adult. But a kid growing up in the grungy hippy dippy inflationary 1970’sin a neighborhood of duplexes more spare than trailer homes are nowadays, I just read the comics in the newspaper.

Basically I lived on a street where we kids’ families were so broke we would just put all our toys together in a pile in one kid’s covered porch and share. Our moms did similar with our clothes and shoes. There wasn’t a concept of “my toys”. Just go to the pile and get whatever you want to play with for the day. It was mostly boys on my street, so that’s partly how I ended up a tomboy!

Anyway, nobody put comics into the pile so I didn’t read any. I didn’t know anybody who read comics.

It just never occurred to me to want to read comics because I’d never seen any, though my dad spoke of reading them as a kid in the 1950’s. I don’t even know where they might have been sold when I was growing up.

I guess I missed out, huh? I know people now who grew up reading them and they sound like they got transported to a magical world.

Getting back to the show, I don’t know if the second couple is more PG because we fast forwarded past the love scenes. But I just think they’re better matched.

It was tough watching Raych and Gaal because we all thought Gaal was only 16. The actress just looks so young! She was carrying herself with a demeanor that was very young, too. Also we didn’t see how they progressed into a romantic relationship. It was just boom! There it is!

At least with the second couple, it’s indicated they were continuing a pre-existing relationship and both parties appear as adults

I’m going to assume there’s a plot driven reason for the relationship. Unless we are all mistaken, Gaal and Raych had an embryo that was stored. Surely that offspring will have some part to play in the story.

I’m also going to assume there’s some significance to Brother Dusk/Dark’s remarks that something isn’t right about the baby who is now Brother Dawn.

I can’t wait to see what happens next. I’m also following all the Marvel shows on Disney. We also went back and watched Agent Carter. Next we will back fill and watch Agents of Shield.

Buffieeeeeee, loved the movie, the tv show was eh.
LOL, yep, comics are just not eh comics. Some comics are America's great literary masterpieces, well some are but not all
Raych and Gaal are of age I'm sure, she's just short and looks younger. You should take in consideration the society she grew up in and how her parents must've shielded her in someway for her protection. Plus, she had the eh hots for him as soon as she saw him. Raych and the society he grew up in was totally different than her's. Maybe their thing seemed like a boom because it was kept secret until their love scene.
The second couple I thought were more mature.
Oh yeah, Brother Dusk remark was something and sure the Android knows. Then we see him(Dawn) getting rid of the artwork on the walls.
The only Disney series I looked at was Loki and it was better than I thought it would be.
I did watch Agents of Shield on and off for a few seasons.
While you are on a Marvel kick, don't forget the movie that put Marvel on the map, Blade.

 

[AL2TEACH]

Spoiler: Episode 4 spoiler

I'm disappointed we won't be hearing "bawbawous" and the rest of Lord Dorwin's accent

uh oh, I feel like I missed it, what episode should I rewatch?

 

[owidhh]

uh oh, I feel like I missed it, what episode should I rewatch?

Lord Dorwin, in the first book, has an interesting accent - near the end of episode 4 when he shows up, does not have anything near that accent.

edit: 40 minutes in

 

[AL2TEACH]

Lord Dorwin, in the first book, has an interesting accent - near the end of episode 4 when he shows up, does not have anything near that accent.

edit: 40 minutes in

bummer and now I will still listen, lol.

 

[NewBench]

New to the thread but wanted to ask.....is this show worth watching?

The trailers and cast had be intrigued, but the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes have been a bit disappointing.

As an indication of what I've liked on Apple TV+ so far....I absolutely love Servant and See, but haven't been able to get into anything else yet. Looking forward to Invasion next week.

 

[owidhh]

New to the thread but wanted to ask.....is this show worth watching?

The trailers and cast had be intrigued, but the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes have been a bit disappointing.

As an indication of what I've liked on Apple TV+ so far....I absolutely love Servant and See, but haven't been able to get into anything else yet. Looking forward to Invasion next week.

For me, the jury is still out.

I like to watch a whole season before making any definite judgement, because every season, every show has weak episodes and strong episodes, plot holes and interesting twists and turns, and of course actors need some time to grow into their roles.

If you've read the books, it's both interesting and jarring at the same time - while the overall direction seems to be the same as in the books, there are a LOT of differences. I can see they lifted details from the prequels and the non-Asimov novels (which feature the beginnings of mentalics during Hari's times), some characters have seen major changes that leave us wondering how or if they'll follow the same path as in the books or not. On the other hand they are expanding on the "fall of the empire" part by showing us a lot more of what is going on over there, which is quite interesting.

 

[Canyda]

The scenes with the Empire are tremendous. Everything else is fine to good.

 

[thirteen1031]

Your premise didn't save the Roman Empire.

The later emperors were by no means absolute monarchs. They had to make the military happy and if they didn't, their own bodyguards would assassinate and replace them. Which was why you have one year with five different emperors.

This in no wise matches up with this show's cloned Emperor who (1) does seem to have absolute power and (2) can't really be assassinated as there's always a little clone brother to take his place.

Which is to say, as cool an idea as the writer/creator of this show thought these cloned emperors were, he didn't think through to how it undermines Hari's prediction.

Also, Roman Emperors couldn't get their soldiers from Rome to England overnight. It took a long time by galley ship to get from Rome to London...but, apparently, this Emperor can get any military from the center of the galaxy to the very outskirts literally at light speed. That makes it a whole lot easier to keep the empire together.

Which is to say, the show has made the comparison between this Empire and the Roman Empire problematic at best.

 

[drsox]

The later emperors were by no means absolute monarchs. They had to make the military happy and if they didn't, their own bodyguards would assassinate and replace them. Which was why you have one year with five different emperors.

This in no wise matches up with this show's cloned Emperor who (1) does seem to have absolute power and (2) can't really be assassinated as there's always a little clone brother to take his place.

Which is to say, as cool an idea as the writer/creator of this show thought these cloned emperors were, he didn't think through to how it undermines Hari's prediction.

Also, Roman Emperors couldn't get their soldiers from Rome to England overnight. It took a long time by galley ship to get from Rome to London...but, apparently, this Emperor can get any military from the center of the galaxy to the very outskirts literally at light speed. That makes it a whole lot easier to keep the empire together.

Which is to say, the show has made the comparison between this Empire and the Roman Empire problematic at best.

Nevertheless, Asimov stated many times that the Fall of the Roman Empire was the source inspiration for the concept and sequence of the Foundation series.

The speed of reaction in Roman times didn't matter a whole lot as everything went as snail speed. Didn't the Romans take years to subdue (i.e.destroy) some territory by waiting until they had built a bridge over the Danube (?) and then proceeding ? Dacia it might have been (Trajan's column era). The Dacians knew they were coming and could do SFA about it - except migrate to the east en masse.

 

[drsox]

Well, we have wandered way into the weeds this week ! In a good way ?

 

[klasma]

from the center of the galaxy to the very outskirts literally at light speed.

Since our galaxy is a 100,000 light years across, that’d take a rather long time.

Foundation’s "galaxy" seems to consist of a relatively small number of star systems, relative to the ~100,000,000 stars our galaxy actually consists of.

 

[drsox]

Since our galaxy is a 100,000 light years across, that’d take a rather long time.

Foundation’s "galaxy" seems to consist of a relatively small number of star systems, relative to the ~100,000,000 stars our galaxy actually consists of.

I may be misremembering the number 1,000,000 stars quoted somewhere in the 7 books.

 

[artfossil]

Finally starting to watch Foundation.

The cinematography is amazing. That’s my priority.

Having Jared Harris just means I especially love it.

For me, I want fiction (books/TV/movies) to transport me—to another time or place or experience.

This does that.

 

[owidhh]

So it seems they've merged the first and second crises, and made them happen 15 years earlier than in the original book.. Will be interesting to see if they invent a new 2nd crisis, or just accelerate the timelines for the next ones.

 

[drsox]

So it seems they've merged the first and second crises, and made them happen 15 years earlier than in the original book.. Will be interesting to see if they invent a new 2nd crisis, or just accelerate the timelines for the next ones.

Wonder if they will have the "Seldon in the Vault" or some other. They have him appearing as a holo projection from the hand held device, so maybe more of this. Or will the mystery levitating object do it's thing ?

 

[zobby]

Never read the books but love science fiction in general. Was really looking forward to this. And the good news is that I’m loving it. Really interested to see how it pans out. That big floaty thing is fascinating. Well done Apple.

 

[AL2TEACH]

Raych and Gaal, whoa that's love and I wonder when their kid will show up, Dawn, Day and Dusk becoming undone, Terminus and Hari's planet. aaiiieeeee.

 

[mrsmith1]

I was really looking forward to this but after about three episodes I’ve stopped watching because it’s really boring.

 

[artfossil]

I was really looking forward to this but after about three episodes I’ve stopped watching because it’s really boring.

If it’s not for you it’s good you jettisoned.

For me, I find Foundation repays close attention.

 

[artfossil]

The scenes with the Empire are tremendous. Everything else is fine to good.

I love how so many of the Empire scenes have such beautiful symmetry—underscoring the rigid (and brittle) order of the Empire. The cinematography of this show is just wonderful.

 

[Bug-Creator]

his Emperor can get any military from the center of the galaxy to the very outskirts literally at light speed.

So within 20000 years then?

Well thats offcourse nonsense as the military is already scattered around the empire, so gathering a few ships to nuke some insignificant planet should be easy.

All in all I would say with just 6 episodes they managed to lay the foundation for what could be top notch scfi franchise (which others needed seasons for only to fail in the end).

Today's episode wasn't that good but I guess they have to build the stories from the ground up. At least I hope thats reason they spent so much time on the young emperor's delayed outbreak of puberty.

 

[drsox]

So within 20000 years then?

Well thats offcourse nonsense as the military is already scattered around the empire, so gathering a few ships to nuke some insignificant planet should be easy.

There must be an alternative means of getting around. 20000 years to pass an order from the centre to the outlying military ???

 

[Bug-Creator]

There must be an alternative means of getting around.

Sure they do have some sort of FTL/Warp drive to fix that but "literally at light speed." was the comment I was sniping on.

 

[zephonic]

I guess if you view it as just a SF/fantasy TV-show without thinking about Foundation or Asimov, it’s not bad.

Hard for me to let go, though

 

[theluggage]

Hard for me to let go, though

I dunno, pretty sure there was <i>something</i> about one of the outer worlds getting their hands on a long-lost imperial warship in the books

Also, in a YouTube interview with one of the creators it transpired that while Apple have the rights to all of the Foundation books, they don't have the rights to any of the plots or characters of the Robots, Elijah Bailey or Empire books - so at least one character has had to have been "re-imagined" and, if the series goes the distance, they'll have to establish a whole new backstory for the Empire (and, of course, since Asimov died before finishing the story, come up with an ending).

However, I do get the feeling they're trying to turn it into Game of Thrones with multiple interweaving plot threads and lots and lots of characters... and consequently it's getting a bit slow.