Galaxy Note 4

[tbayrgs]

This is true of many phones over time.

You dont legislate who is going to buy the phone, but you do focus the products towards a specific need.

It didnt start today. For example products as far back as the Nokia E series and Blackberries were designed around needs of business users as a primary target group, but other people bought the device too.

That is what is going on in with the Note. It would make no sense to cripple the phone, there is already a crippled Galaxy A7 and the smaller Galaxy S and Galaxy Alpha series also crippled.

So there just would be no point in offering a wide product range and then crippling all of them. In that case you might as well save your time and cut down the number of products offered.

Ding ding ding!! We have a winner! This has been a criticism of Samsung for years--far too many products, no apparent direction. Seems like they may be listening.

Seriously though, what you find to be 'crippled', the vast majority of people just don't care about. They don't swap batteries, and I'd wager quite a significant number aren't even aware memory is expandable. There's a reason Samsung, the longtime bastion of these features, is finally moving away from them--most customers don't care about them, they actually care quite a bit more about aesthetics and design, and Samsung will now be able to do exactly what Apple has done for years, make more money by overcharging for additional memory. The proof about the first two points will be how many more S6 devices are sold vs. the S5.

And even if they were worried about potentially alienating customers, where else are they going to go? All OEMs are moving in this direction, or already have.

 

[unclejamaal]

Ref battery issues. When my note 4 was new the battery was brilliant but 6 months or so on in have ton charge it at least once per day . Before it used to be once every couple of days.

 

[GigabitEthernet]

Functionality has NOT remained the same since 2007.

Care to elaborate?

iOS is functionally-wise the same as it was in 2007. You turn the phone on with the sleep/wake button, you're presented with a homescreen of apps and you tap an icon to open an app. When you're done, you either press the home button and return to the home screen, or you push the sleep/wake button to sleep the phone.

It's exactly the same as it was in 2007.

 

[tbayrgs]

Care to elaborate?

iOS is functionally-wise the same as it was in 2007. You turn the phone on with the sleep/wake button, you're presented with a homescreen of apps and you tap an icon to open an app. When you're done, you either press the home button and return to the home screen, or you push the sleep/wake button to sleep the phone.

It's exactly the same as it was in 2007.

There's so much wrong with this post...but this isn't a thread about iOS or even comparing iOS and Android so let's just kill this nonsense before it start.

Suffice to say, there are a ton of functions in iOS 8 that were not available in iOS 7, much less iPhone OS 1 and let's just leave it at that.

 

[TechGod]

Care to elaborate?

iOS is functionally-wise the same as it was in 2007. You turn the phone on with the sleep/wake button, you're presented with a homescreen of apps and you tap an icon to open an app. When you're done, you either press the home button and return to the home screen, or you push the sleep/wake button to sleep the phone.

It's exactly the same as it was in 2007.

Ignorance at its finest. Goodbye sir.

 

[Osamede]

There's a reason Samsung, the longtime bastion of these features, is finally moving away from them--most customers don't care about them, they actually care quite a bit more about aesthetics and design, and Samsung will now be able to do exactly what Apple has done for years, make more money by overcharging for additional memory. The proof about the first two points will be how many more S6 devices are sold vs. the S5. .

Sorry, but logically and statistically speaking you cannot put down the sales of a product down to a single factor of your choosing.

If as you claim, removable battery and SD card are things that consumers dont even know about, then removing them would not make a difference to increase sales, since they didnt know they existed in the first place

Third, the S4 was a sales hit and the S5 fell flat. Obviously the set up therefore is if the S6 is remotely decent it will be a hit. And it should.

But IMO it is the camera (finally better than Iphone) and the edge (unmatched in the market) that will contribute more to its attractiveness.

Note also that the new LG now has an SD card, and we are even seeing SD card on Windows Phone mid range hits like Nokia 630/653, so not true that this is one-way traffic to remove the SD card

 

[jamezr]

Sorry, but logically and statistically speaking you cannot put down the sales of a product down to a single factor of your choosing.

If as you claim, removable battery and SD card are things that consumers dont even know about, then removing them would not make a difference to increase sales, since they didnt know they existed in the first place

Third, the S4 was a sales hit and the S5 fell flat. Obviously the set up therefore is if the S6 is remotely decent it will be a hit. And it should.

But IMO it is the camera (finally better than Iphone) and the edge (unmatched in the market) that will contribute more to its attractiveness.

Note also that the new LG now has an SD card, and we are even seeing SD card on Windows Phone mid range hits like Nokia 630/653, so not true that this is one-way traffic to remove the SD card

By all accounts from the press. The pre orders alone have already surpassed the S5 sales. So the S6 is a huge hit as is without removeable battery and SD card.

 

[andy2141]

Ok some I'm bored of waiting for Samsung to release Lollipop for my UK Note 4 (SM-N910F)

I want to flash a copy from Sammobile using Odin.

Most people seem to go for the german DBT release, though I also see a XXU1BOC3 update which seems to have some additional bug fixes. Has anyone tried it and can confirm it's ok to us?

 

[MRU]

Ok some I'm bored of waiting for Samsung to release Lollipop for my UK Note 4 (SM-N910F)

I want to flash a copy from Sammobile using Odin.

Most people seem to go for the german DBT release, though I also see a XXU1BOC3 update which seems to have some additional bug fixes. Has anyone tried it and can confirm it's ok to us?

Please. DON'T GO FOR THE DBT!!!!!!!!!!!

That thread everyone moved onto the Netherlands BOC3 release for a reason. It's vastly more stable and the DBT was full of bugs. I know I was a contributor.

Flash the Netherlands BOC3 release. It's the same build that has rolled out for vodafone and other devices subsequently. The DBT release was pulled by Samsung.

 

[andy2141]

Thanks MRU.

The only BOC 3 Netherlands file I can see on Sammobile is for Vodafone (unless I'm going mad)

Whilst my device is using a '3' sim it's not network locked/branded so not sure going for a Vodafone file is a good idea?

Hence I was looking at the Germany file:

2015-04-07 Germany 5.0.1 N910FXXU1BOC3 N910FOXA1BOC3

Sorry for the noob questions. Don't fancy having a paper weight on my hands.

Edit: Ok think I've found it - it's the one without the country specified and linked to in this thread on XDA:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/lollipop-5-0-1-n910fxxu1boc3-t3059806

 

[MRU]

Edit: Ok think I've found it - it's the one without the country specified and linked to in this thread on XDA:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/lollipop-5-0-1-n910fxxu1boc3-t3059806

Yep that's the one. It turned out its actually from the netherlands

 

[gotluck]

And even if they were worried about potentially alienating customers, where else are they going to go? All OEMs are moving in this direction, or already have.

LG seems to be sticking with removable & sd card. I'm a bit miffed by samsung's move, but not sure how many of me there are

 

[andy2141]

Yep that's the one. It turned out its actually from the netherlands

Thanks for the confirmation. Downloading now.. Let's hope this ends well

 

[MRU]

Thanks for the confirmation. Downloading now.. Let's hope this ends well

Are you planning a clean flash or a dirty flash? I opted for a clean flash though others have dirty flashed without problems. I just preferred to start from a clean slate.

 

[jamezr]

Are you planning a clean flash or a dirty flash? I opted for a clean flash though others have dirty flashed without problems. I just preferred to start from a clean slate.

yep.....always better to do a clean wipe and flash IMHO. Less things go wrong.

 

[andy2141]

Still downloading from mega. 94%..

Was planning to flash with Odin then do a factory reset. Does this constitute a "clean flash".

As you can probably tell I'm a bit new to this flashing roms lark

 

[MRU]

Still downloading from mega. 94%..

Was planning to flash with Odin then do a factory reset. Does this constitute a "clean flash".

As you can probably tell I'm a bit new to this flashing roms lark

Yeah that would constitute one. Make sure you wipe cache partition in recovery too

You get into recovery with power, home + volume up. Then when you get the android with triangle - press power button and volume up together to get into recovery. Use volume to choose wipe cache partition and power button to select. Then choose reboot.

Sorted

 

[tbayrgs]

Sorry, but logically and statistically speaking you cannot put down the sales of a product down to a single factor of your choosing.

Never did. Actually, it was you who inferred removing those features was a mistake, resulting in a 'crippled' phone. I think its a safe assumption that you were also inferring less people would buy a 'crippled' phone. My only point was I thought excluding expandable memory and a removable battery wouldn't impact sales significantly at all and the upside is Samsung stands to benefit from it (higher margins).

If as you claim, removable battery and SD card are things that consumers dont even know about, then removing them would not make a difference to increase sales, since they didnt know they existed in the first place

Thank you for proving my point. It won't impact sales because most people don't care. Again, I didn't say it would result in increased sales but rather it wouldn't result in decreased sales as you implied.

Third, the S4 was a sales hit and the S5 fell flat. Obviously the set up therefore is if the S6 is remotely decent it will be a hit. And it should.

But wouldn't crippling a phone hinder that?

But IMO it is the camera (finally better than Iphone) and the edge (unmatched in the market) that will contribute more to its attractiveness.

Note also that the new LG now has an SD card, and we are even seeing SD card on Windows Phone mid range hits like Nokia 630/653, so not true that this is one-way traffic to remove the SD card.

Exceptions, not the new norm. And you cannot compare low/mid level devices to flagships. What do you think is cheaper for OEMs to include, the microSD reader or the actual flash memory? Keeping costs down on low end devices is paramount

Let's revisit in 6 months and see if there has been a significant sales shift towards devices retaining SD cards and removable batteries. My guess is there won't be and you'll alsomsee fewer devices being offered with them.

 

[andy2141]

I appear to be running Lollipop!

All very smooth. Did a factory reset first. Wiped the cache, flashed ROM, wiped cache again and then factory reset. Probably over kill but seemed to work ok.

Let the fun commence.

Thanks for the assistance guys.

 

[tbayrgs]

LG seems to be sticking with removable & sd card. I'm a bit miffed by samsung's move, but not sure how many of me there are

Again, I'm not saying there isn't a segment of buyers who want these features. A lot of them are likely found right here. But I think your second statement is spot on...just not enough to move the sales needle. Anyone want t wager if the LG G5 still has them next year?

 

[gotluck]

Again, I'm not saying there isn't a segment of buyers who want these features. A lot of them are likely found right here. But I think your second statement is spot on...just not enough to move the sales needle. Anyone want t wager if the LG G5 still has them next year?

Actually yes I would wager there will always be a flagship with removable and sd. Maybe not lg or the note but somebody

 

[tbayrgs]

Actually yes I would wager there will always be a flagship with removable and sd. Maybe not lg or the note but somebody

I won't take that bet because you're right, some phone will have em. I just suspect that if the Galaxy S6 has the gangbusters year it looks like their going to have, your going to see all flagships adopt this philosophy.

 

[MRU]

I appear to be running Lollipop!



All very smooth. Did a factory reset first. Wiped the cache, flashed ROM, wiped cache again and then factory reset. Probably over kill but seemed to work ok.



Let the fun commence.



Thanks for the assistance guys.

That's exactly the way I did it enjoy matey

 

[GigabitEthernet]

There's so much wrong with this post...but this isn't a thread about iOS or even comparing iOS and Android so let's just kill this nonsense before it start.

Suffice to say, there are a ton of functions in iOS 8 that were not available in iOS 7, much less iPhone OS 1 and let's just leave it at that.

I'd like some examples. The apps are different and it looks different but the basic idea of iOS is the same as it was in 2007. Not that that is a bad idea, in fact it makes the OS really straight forward and easy to use.

 

[tbayrgs]

I'd like some examples. The apps are different and it looks different but the basic idea of iOS is the same as it was in 2007. Not that that is a bad idea, in fact it makes the OS really straight forward and easy to use.

I'm not going to list them all, just go do a little reading of your own.

I think you're confusing layout with functionality. Yes, other than the design changes introduced in iOS 7, iOS doesn't look much different. The number of functions now available that weren't when iPhone OS was first introduced however, is too long to list in this post.

But again, let's now derail this thread any further. This discussion should be directed back to the iOS forum, not here.