Galaxy Note 4

[sinclac57]

Will Samsung Devices get Android L

This one's easy. The Galaxy S5, and Galaxy Note 3 will get updated to Android L as fast as Samsung is able to update them. The Galaxy S4 will follow shortly after, and then Samsung is basically done. The few high-end devices that weren't sold in the west will probably see an update, but none of us have them and nobody can guess when.

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-l-will-my-phone-get-update

 

[pdqgp]

you both somehow missed this

"objectively (without considering personal preferences),"

and stop being so defensive, you sound pathetic

^^ sounds to me like you're the one being defensive and sounding pathetic. Again, bench testing is pretty pathetic. Show me the advantages in every day real world apps that mean something to me. Feel free to tie in how your "objective" view is hurting their business as I've already asked you. Still waiting on that answer. Otherwise, enjoy your bar graphs.

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Will Samsung Devices get Android L

This one's easy. The Galaxy S5, and Galaxy Note 3 will get updated to Android L as fast as Samsung is able to update them. The Galaxy S4 will follow shortly after, and then Samsung is basically done.

^^ looking forward to getting L on my Note 3. After that I don't need Samsung to really go any farther as I'll likely be upgrading my device.

 

[beosound3200]

^^ my kids do However, in a 3hr car ride my kids won't be bench racing phones against one another. They will likely just want to keep themselves entertained. Reality is however, they won't likely do it on a phone as today just about every kids or family has a tablet. In my case they each have iPads too. Also, Minecraft is a hot game for them and that really is pretty basic in terms of performance needs.

ios top paid apps:

1. Game
2. Game
3. Game
4. Travel
5. Game
6. Game
7. Photo & Video
8. Fitness
9. Game
10. Game
11. Utilities
12. Game
13. Game
14. Game

ios top free apps

1. Social
2. Social
3. Social
4. Photo & Video
5. Game
6. Music
7. Game
8. Lifestyle
9. Social
10. Game
11. Photo & video
12. Game
13. Game

think about it

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^^ sounds to me like you're the one being defensive and sounding pathetic. Again, bench testing is pretty pathetic. Show me the advantages in every day real world apps that mean something to me. Feel free to tie in how your "objective" view is hurting their business as I've already asked you. Still waiting on that answer. Otherwise, enjoy your bar graphs.

short article only about new metal framework (software update)

http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/iPhone/iOS+8/feature.asp?c=61620

pair that with a8 and 50% better performance and what do you get?

for android oems, another day older and deeper in debt

 

[Ccrew]

Will Samsung Devices get Android L

This one's easy. The Galaxy S5, and Galaxy Note 3 will get updated to Android L as fast as Samsung is able to update them. The Galaxy S4 will follow shortly after, and then Samsung is basically done. The few high-end devices that weren't sold in the west will probably see an update, but none of us have them and nobody can guess when.

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-l-will-my-phone-get-update

Unless you're on Verizon then it'll be 2017

 

[pdqgp]

ios top paid apps:

1. Game
2. Game
3. Game
4. Travel
5. Game
6. Game
7. Photo & Video
8. Fitness
9. Game
10. Game
11. Utilities
12. Game
13. Game
14. Game

ios top free apps

1. Social
2. Social
3. Social
4. Photo & Video
5. Game
6. Music
7. Game
8. Lifestyle
9. Social
10. Game
11. Photo & video
12. Game
13. Game

think about it

^^ exactly what many here have been stating. It's about gaming. Cool. So their target market for all this power is gaming and kids. Wonderful and not shocking. Now you know why many of the adults/grown ups here could care less.

My wife and I use our phones to keep our kids busy, so it's not surprising that many of the above show "games" as top downloads. I bet my iPad and my wife's phone have hundreds of stupid games on them. Especially free ones. Way cheaper to spend $0-$3 on a game to keep kid 4-15yrs old busy in the car than to buy a Nintendo and $35 per game. I've heard absolutely zero complaints and my son owns an iPhone 4s. Thus he must have plenty of computing power to play angry birds.

Perhaps you should go post your bar graphs and bench testing on sites where kids play and hangout. Just be careful you don't get seen as creepy.

Meanwhile in the real world of grown up land, we'll still be awaiting a reason to care because I didn't spend nor do I see many adults spending $650-$950 on a smart phone to play Modern Combat 5, Plunder Pirates, and Beach Buggy Racing.

Think about it.

 

[beosound3200]

^^ exactly what many here have been stating. It's about gaming. Cool. So their target market for all this power is gaming and kids. Wonderful and not shocking. Now you know why many of the adults/grown ups here could care less.

Perhaps you should go post your bar graphs and bench testing on sites where kids play and hangout. Just be careful you don't get seen as creepy. Image

Meanwhile in the real world of grown up land, we'll still be awaiting a reason to care because I didn't spend nor do I see many adults spending $650-$950 on a smart phone to play Modern Combat 5, Plunder Pirates, and Beach Buggy Racing. Think about it.

you somehow missed this post again,

i understand some like android because of it features and customization but when you look at it objectively (without considering personal preferences), that business is being handled baaad. which isnt weird because googles priority now is selling cheap junk smartphones in india, not competing in flagship/ux race. android for the poor.

think of the developers, think of the app ecosystem, think of further optimizations apple can do with having basically one soc per year thats already 50% better in cpu and gpu than other non-apple socs

you think apple cant make their version of opencl that will be implemented rapidly because of their nimble and easy-to-code ecosystem, unlike opencl?

this is the clash of ideologies, that show both in ux and business models. apple aims for the best (of course, not always succeeds) and google aims for everything. the discrepancies will be more and more visible in the years to come.

welcome to the Country for Old Men and please leave your personal preferences at the door, no one cares

 

[pdqgp]

think of the developers, think of the app ecosystem, think of further optimizations apple can do with having basically one soc per year thats already 50% better in cpu and gpu than other non-apple socs
you think apple cant make their version of opencl that will be implemented rapidly because of their nimble and easy-to-code ecosystem, unlike opencl?

Many of us have been thinking about the above since the introduction of the iPhone 5 years ago. Show me where the above is making a real noticeable impact in the land of grown ups and the apps we use daily. A difference that makes a difference, not one that holds not real value. Third request, but who's counting. Thus far you've not answered that but instead have shown how a $650-$950 iPhone can play games better. My kids thank you but I'm still not impressed.

Your argument is like the college grad who comes to me for a job touting a newly received MBA but can't show one iota of experience having done in the real world what I'm looking to see them do for me in my business. I expect them to show me what they are going to do for me in the first 90-180 days that will impact my business and not only pay for my hiring them but add value for having done so.

On paper, things are easy to make look good. Produce traction and show real world impact now and what it's doing for me on day one and we'll talk. Everyone gets better over time, but show me you have value to add right now.

....the discrepancies will be more and more visible in the years to come.

Great, where is it making a difference for us today....or since the 5s? How many years are we all going to have to wait?

welcome to the Country for Old Men and please leave your personal preferences at the door, no one cares

Welcome to the real world of Grown up Land where you need to be able to show REAL applicable value, today. So please, leave your bar graphs and tech talk at the door because unless you can show real value and all this making a difference, no one cares.

Now excuse me while I go read about how Apple's flagship device helps my kids play games better...or at least another graph shows me that but I've ye to actually see the two play said games side by side with any appreciable difference.

 

[beosound3200]

Many of us have been thinking about the above since the introduction of the iPhone 5. Show me where the above is making a real noticeable impact in the land of grown ups and the apps we use daily. Third request, but who's counting. Thus far you've not answered that but instead have shown how a $650-$950 iPhone can play games better.

Your argument is like the college grad who comes to me for a job touting a newly received MBA but can't show one iota of experience in the real world that will accomplish what I'm looking to see them do for me in my business. I expect them to show me what they are going to do for me in the first 90-180 days that will impact my business. Otherwise, their MBA isn't of much use to me. On paper, things are easy to make look good. Produce traction and show real world impact now and what it's doing for me on day one and we'll talk.


Great, where is it making a difference for us today....or since the 5s?



Welcome to the real world of Grown up Land where you need to be able to show REAL applicable value, today or else no one cares.

as far as i can tell, apps are all around more polished, less stutter, better performance, usually looking better also, better tablet apps, developers make much more money, ios apps usually come first, etc.

here's a recent video of some of the more popular apps performance

before you dismiss this, ask yourself, why would anyone get an ssd or 300hp car? its about user experience, apparently thats lost on some...

its not easy to comprehend abstract factors and then translate them to the potential future applications. for example the ibm deal, or swift, or metal.

btw, you should be more future-focused, you're asking your grads the wrong question. usually when you notice the real world imapct, you're already late in your thinking.

this word is swarming with utilitarians, no **** the world is going bonkers

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Now excuse me while I go read about how Apple's flagship device helps my kids play games better...or at least another graph shows me that but I've ye to actually see the two play said games side by side with any appreciable difference.

you mean this

this does not include is8 and metal optimizations

 

[pdqgp]

as far as i can tell, apps are all around more polished, less stutter, better performance, usually looking better also, better tablet apps, developers make much more money, ios apps usually come first, etc.

As far as you can tell....okay, so we can agree to disagree on opinions personal preferences that you said to leave at the door Now how about you show us in reality some of those apps that are more polished and look better. In terms of development, it's not complicated to know why iOS gets developed first. There's only one device and platform.

Time and money are less involved, once released the audiance will be a good gauge as to whether it makes sense to then go tackle other hardware devices and the nuances that make each unique on the Android OS. There's vary little impact to us in the real world. Again, I made the switch from iOS to Android and there was/is only one app of the hundreds I have that isn't available. In the end, most apps either launch or are available very soon after on all platforms.

before you dismiss this, ask yourself, why would anyone get an ssd or 300hp car? its about user experience, apparently thats lost on some...

I'm not dismissing it, I'm still waiting on the real world user experience that's been so greatly improved by the charts and graphs you've shared touting better graphics performance on an iOS device with these new processors. Again, something beyond your personal preference and observations. Something not in graph-bench testing results.

In terms of HP on cars, yes, it does get lost on some as in the real world, most people won't ever even use the full capability of their now 400hp cars. Most live in the world of torque where races are really won and lost and the user experience actually lives. That's why there's an old addage that people buy horsepower but experience torque. Hyundai/Kia learned this with their Sonota/Optima. In 2015 they dropped HP and moved the power band to more usable real-world experienced ranges.

its not easy to comprehend abstract factors and then translate them to the potential future applications. for example the ibm deal, or swift, or metal.

Yes it is. Either the updates and advances Apple made within their processing power of the iPhone is used in the real-world and able to be seen by the average user or it's not and it's dismissed as not making an appreciable difference.

btw, you should be more future-focused, you're asking your grads the wrong question. usually when you notice the real world imapct, you're already late in your thinking.

I'm totally future focused but no one gets a free-ride to "ramp up". Deliver today or you won't be here tomorrow.

In the real world, I expect all these advancements to deliver today. You've yet to show anyone that in the real world. All great stuff dude and I'm glad the technology is exciting, but where is it making a difference to users today? The top line phones today don't shudder or hesitate so let's not split milliseconds there. I've used plenty and deploy many to my people. Show me where all these graphs and graphics are making a difference.

you mean this

this does not include is8 and metal optimizations

back to my original point...all those kids playing Grand Theft Auto are thanking Apple. That should be their new slogan. The iPhone 6, the best high end smart phone for all those dumb kids addicted to games such as Grand Theft Auto. Parents everywhere solute you. Apple, the Higher Education Device.

 

[jamesrick80]

Yeah but does anyone really care? IPhone touted this 64 bit crap and it's been a full phone cycle and what apps do we have that are 64bit and how do they noticeably improve on their 32 bit versions?

I'm not saying we shouldn't future proof, but I think 64 bit is kind of useless until we can do things like dock our phones and use them as desktop PC's.

If anything the 64 bit iphone bottlenecks the 1 gb of ram that the iPhone has, that's why there are so many issues with lag, stuttering , and the devices rebooting themselves

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ios top paid apps:

1. Game
2. Game
3. Game
4. Travel
5. Game
6. Game
7. Photo & Video
8. Fitness
9. Game
10. Game
11. Utilities
12. Game
13. Game
14. Game

ios top free apps

1. Social
2. Social
3. Social
4. Photo & Video
5. Game
6. Music
7. Game
8. Lifestyle
9. Social
10. Game
11. Photo & video
12. Game
13. Game

think about it

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short article only about new metal framework (software update)

http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/iPhone/iOS+8/feature.asp?c=61620

pair that with a8 and 50% better performance and what do you get?

for android oems, another day older and deeper in debt

Seriously most people are not serious gamers on there devices, real world usage is not depicted by gpu intensive games....on the other hand why does the iPhone 6 plus heat up too much on intense games and sometimes has to reboot itself .....piece of crap in real world usage .....

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Can iPhone 6 even handle virtual reality gaming with its so called gpu power...nope

 

[Markyboy81]

If anything the 64 bit iphone bottlenecks the 1 gb of ram that the iPhone has, that's why there are so many issues with lag, stuttering , and the devices rebooting themselves

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Seriously most people are not serious gamers on there devices, real world usage is not depicted by gpu intensive games....on the other hand why does the iPhone 6 plus heat up too much on intense games and sometimes has to reboot itself .....piece of crap in real world usage .....

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Can iPhone 6 even handle virtual reality gaming with its so called gpu power...nope

Do you think both the note 4 and iphone 6/6 plus will handle candy crush? Because that's what most people seem to care about!

 

[beosound3200]

As far as you can tell....okay, so we can agree to disagree on opinions personal preferences that you said to leave at the door

why are people here always nitpicking words? english is not my main language. and an individual cant ever stumble upon an objective truth? jesus, think a little, this is not a pissing contest.

as far as i can tell, as far as i can read, as far as a can hear, as far as a can see, theres no person in the world that would deny the polish of ios and its apps opposed to android. it even goes down to the little things like opening animations or that twitter animation when it starts up. wanna talk about the tablets apps?

Now how about you show us in reality some of those apps that are more polished and look better. In terms of development, it's not complicated to know why iOS gets developed first. There's only one device and platform.

bgr, chrome vs safari, suntrust, pandora, many games (the most lucrative section), facebook stutters much more, apps like sportscenter are laggier, Tweetbot, LinkedIn, MegaReader, VSCO Cam, Kickstarter, loungeBuddy, diptic PDQ, games like plants vs zombies 2, garage band, iMovie, Keynote, pages, Reeder. this is not hard to grasp, ios has 50% faster cpu and much faster nand performance than android. they open faster, they stay in ram longer, they are smoother and more fluid. i dnot even now why im mentioning this, this is supposed to be common knowledge.

exactly, one device and platform, which renders this comparison absurd and unfair. android shouldnt even be compared to ios.

Time and money are less involved, once released the audiance will be a good gauge as to whether it makes sense to then go tackle other hardware devices and the nuances that make each unique on the Android OS. There's vary little impact to us in the real world. Again, I made the switch from iOS to Android and there was/is only one app of the hundreds I have that isn't available. In the end, most apps either launch or are available very soon after on all platforms.

you mean little nuances like this?

yeah, absolutely no impact in the real world, except increasing pain for developers to even code for android because of the sheer number of different hardware, most very cheap and low performing, or google barely working plan to support its devices for 18 months, to the widening gap in gpu performance... yeah, no real world impact

I'm not dismissing it, I'm still waiting on the real world user experience that's been so greatly improved by the charts and graphs you've shared touting better graphics performance on an iOS device with these new processors. Again, something beyond your personal preference and observations. Something not in graph-bench testing results.

well, the graphs show a8 is 50% faster than snapdragon 800. looking at the real world test of the phonebuff i posted earlier, iphone is easily 50% faster

also, previously shown videos between nexus 5 and iphone 5s shows that the iphone 5s achieves more fps, hence the game is noticeably smoother, which isnt weird considering the resolution, but it impacts ux.

did you look at that metal article? probably didnt, you would change your rhetoric a little bit. and thats on already designed games. what about games designed with metal and swift in mind, coming 2015? by then, almost half of iphone user base (500 mill) will be running a7 or a8 chips.

In terms of HP on cars, yes, it does get lost on some as in the real world, most people won't ever even use the full capability of their now 400hp cars. Most live in the world of torque where races are really won and lost and the user experience actually lives. That's why there's an old addage that people buy horsepower but experience torque. Hyundai/Kia learned this with their Sonota/Optima. In 2015 they dropped HP and moved the power band to more usable real-world experienced ranges.

exactly, thats the exact reason why apple uses 2 fast cores as opposed to androids using 4 slow cores, while 99.9% of apps use only one core. real ux right?

thats also the reason why people are amazed by tesla

Yes it is. Either the updates and advances Apple made within their processing power of the iPhone is used in the real-world and able to be seen by the average user or it's not and it's dismissed as not making an appreciable difference.

its visible by the average users, hence the constant world wide ios is more polished, fluid, less laggy rhetoirc, along the fact that he apps open faster and games play better. what about the developers?

I'm totally future focused but no one gets a free-ride to "ramp up". Deliver today or you won't be here tomorrow.

be careful about that, you may lose some diamonds in rough

In the real world, I expect all these advancements to deliver today.

this expectation is beyond reasonable and it makes me question your statements about even participating in real world economy.

You've yet to show anyone that in the real world. All great stuff dude and I'm glad the technology is exciting, but where is it making a difference to users today? The top line phones today don't shudder or hesitate so let's not split milliseconds there. I've used plenty and deploy many to my people. Show me where all these graphs and graphics are making a difference.

its much easier to code for ios, you have more cpu/gpu power/performance on your hand, apps launch faster, stay longer in ram, have better visuals, mostly because of the coreanimations, apple has the ability to further optimize code because of the uniformity of ios hardware and in-house soc designs, longer support for old devices, gaming is better on ios, both from performance and exclusive titles standpoint, metal 2015, if they replaced open gl, they probably replace opencl, using gpu for general computing task with lower overhead. none of these things is even possible on android. what about h.265 support in a8? is that real world enough for you?

also, the lag thing. android is laggy by design, which means it doesnt use animations to cover for lag, eg. waiting for cpu to finish its thing like os. that might change with android l, but i doubt, google was never about design, more about utility, just like you are. i want it today!.

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back to my original point...all those kids playing Grand Theft Auto are thanking Apple. That should be their new slogan. The iPhone 6, the best high end smart phone for all those dumb kids addicted to games such as Grand Theft Auto. Parents everywhere solute you. Apple, the Higher Education Device. Image

you're the one entertaining your kids with a phone

you really cant see beyond your nose?

and as far as i can see, apple is the only one really pushing both education and corporate

If anything the 64 bit iphone bottlenecks the 1 gb of ram that the iPhone has, that's why there are so many issues with lag, stuttering , and the devices rebooting themselves

you somehow mixed android with ios

Seriously most people are not serious gamers on there devices, real world usage is not depicted by gpu intensive games....on the other hand why does the iPhone 6 plus heat up too much on intense games and sometimes has to reboot itself .....piece of crap in real world usage .....

yeah, things like that about apple would never go viral on the internet...
weird how im not seeing anything about that.

(sarcasm alert in some of the sentences above)

 

[pdqgp]

why are people here always nitpicking words? english is not my main language. and an individual cant ever stumble upon an objective truth? jesus, think a little, this is not a pissing contest.

I'm not nitpicking words, I'm politely shoving your own comment word for word back at you. There was a lot of irony in you sharing a personal preference/opinion when you said check them at the door.

as far as i can tell, as far as i can read, as far as a can hear, as far as a can see, theres no person in the world that would deny the polish of ios and its apps opposed to android. it even goes down to the little things like opening animations or that twitter animation when it starts up. wanna talk about the tablets apps?

Check your non-objective opinions at the door much? In terms of this "polish of iOS apps vs Android" how about you show me. I have both devices. Happy to load them to compare. Wanna talk tablets? No, let's finish the phone conversation and stay on-point shall we?

bgr, chrome vs safari, suntrust, pandora, many games (the most lucrative section), facebook stutters much more, apps like sportscenter are laggier, Tweetbot, LinkedIn, MegaReader, VSCO Cam, Kickstarter, loungeBuddy, diptic PDQ, games like plants vs zombies 2, garage band, iMovie, Keynote, pages, Reeder.

of the above that are available on android, I see zero issues or studders on Android. Now I have read about Facebook but I don't do Facebook so can't say.

this is not hard to grasp, ios has 50% faster cpu and much faster nand performance than android. they open faster, they stay in ram longer, they are smoother and more fluid. i dnot even now why im mentioning this, this is supposed to be common knowledge.

Again, don't see it. Linked in, Office run just fine and better on Android IMO. Pandora runs perfectly smooth too. In fact my larger excel files and pdf files run better on my Note 3 than on my iPad Air. I also have the ability to mark up and sign a document on the fly with real stylus vs a finger with my Note 3 and when I'm in front of my client, print right to any of their wireless printers with much more ease.

you mean little nuances like this?

yeah, absolutely no impact in the real world, except increasing pain for developers to even code for android because of the sheer number of different hardware, most very cheap and low performing, or google barely working plan to support its devices for 18 months, to the widening gap in gpu performance... yeah, no real world impact

I don't care what it's like for developers dude. Real world for users is what this is about. Developers are paid to make it work. If they can't deal with the nuances of the various devices, then don't do it. I don't want to hear about it being difficult as they have a job to do. Either they do their job or they don't.

well, the graphs show a8 is 50% faster than snapdragon 800. looking at the real world test of the phonebuff i posted earlier, iphone is easily 50% faster

I'll remember that the next time I line up 3 phones and open 15 apps while not setting the non iOS phones for their performance modes.

also, previously shown videos between nexus 5 and iphone 5s shows that the iphone 5s achieves more fps, hence the game is noticeably smoother, which isnt weird considering the resolution, but it impacts ux.

again, the kiddies out there will thank Apple.

did you look at that metal article? probably didnt, you would change your rhetoric a little bit. and thats on already designed games. what about games designed with metal and swift in mind, coming 2015? by then, almost half of iphone user base (500 mill) will be running a7 or a8 chips.

Nope. Don't care about games. I'm not a 13yr old kid.

thats also the reason why people are amazed by tesla

I like Tesla too but the US Economy is built around the Petrodollar not electric vehicles. So while all the countries in the Middle East try and dethrone the US Dollar and can't, I wish Tesla all the luck at doing the same. They won't.

be careful about that, you may lose some diamonds in rough

No diamonds lost here. If someone can't deliver today then they aren't ready today. While they are off learning to do a job, I'll have hired someone who brings transferable skills, does the job today and just like the other guy, are also getting better everyday.

this expectation is beyond reasonable and it makes me question your statements about even participating in real world economy.

Beyond reasonable? Seriously? I don't hire people for on the job training. Those are called interns. I don't buy products that are cool, play games faster and that don't deliver for my use now. That's like all those that bought a 4k TV 1yr ago. Great, but the time that technology hits the market their TV will be generations old. Hope they enjoyed paying more for less in the early term.

its much easier to code for ios..... if they replaced open gl, they probably replace opencl, using gpu for general computing task with lower overhead. none of these things is even possible on android.

Still waiting for you to show me a real grown up use of their technology making a difference.

you're the one entertaining your kids with a phone

Not GTA nor that often. My kids prefer books on Kindle but when they do play games, they certainly aren't going to have a father who spends money on an iPhone 6 to do it. No need and very little benefit anywhere else.

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Do you think both the note 4 and iphone 6/6 plus will handle candy crush? Because that's what most people seem to care about!

don't dis the Crush. I can't wait to spend $650 for the new iPhone to play that game smoother.

 

[spinedoc77]

as far as i can tell, as far as i can read, as far as a can hear, as far as a can see, theres no person in the world that would deny the polish of ios and its apps opposed to android. it even goes down to the little things like opening animations or that twitter animation when it starts up. wanna talk about the tablets apps?

I suppose I can be the first person in the world. I deny the polish of iOS and its apps as opposed to android. I don't have any appreciable lag on my android device, they all run without any stutters or lags, they don't crash or have any issues, the UI on them is simple and easy to figure out, etc. This may have been a valid point 2 years ago, but today's android isn't the same as 2 years ago.

This BS about 64bit is the same as well, what apps (besides games) show an appreciable improvement? By appreciable I mean immediate and obvious to the user, by appreciable I don't mean it opens .001 milliseconds quicker. Heck even in games I'm not convinced this is a big deal. Once again I'm not against 64 bit, I just think it will make more sense maybe when phones push larger screens. Although that is now starting to come true. There are not many games to compare, but the few I've seen look about the same on either OS with each having its own pluses and minuses. I gave up on iOS/Android tablet gaming with the advent of windows tablets where I can play more hardcore games with a mouse and other peripherals.

In conclusion it's all just minutiae intended to market to consumers who probably have no idea what the hardware terminology even means, but they know it sounds good. Every single tech manufacturer does this though not just Apple.

 

[Markyboy81]

I'm not nitpicking words, I'm politely shoving your own comment word for word back at you. There was a lot of irony in you sharing a personal preference/opinion when you said check them at the door.


Check your non-objective opinions at the door much? In terms of this "polish of iOS apps vs Android" how about you show me. I have both devices. Happy to load them to compare. Wanna talk tablets? No, let's finish the phone conversation and stay on-point shall we?



of the above that are available on android, I see zero issues or studders on Android. Now I have read about Facebook but I don't do Facebook so can't say.



Again, don't see it. Linked in, Office run just fine and better on Android IMO. Pandora runs perfectly smooth too. In fact my larger excel files and pdf files run better on my Note 3 than on my iPad Air. I also have the ability to mark up and sign a document on the fly with real stylus vs a finger with my Note 3 and when I'm in front of my client, print right to any of their wireless printers with much more ease.



I don't care what it's like for developers dude. Real world for users is what this is about. Developers are paid to make it work. If they can't deal with the nuances of the various devices, then don't do it. I don't want to hear about it being difficult as they have a job to do. Either they do their job or they don't.



I'll remember that the next time I line up 3 phones and open 15 apps while not setting the non iOS phones for their performance modes.



again, the kiddies out there will thank Apple.



Nope. Don't care about games. I'm not a 13yr old kid.



I like Tesla too but the US Economy is built around the Petrodollar not electric vehicles. So while all the countries in the Middle East try and dethrone the US Dollar and can't, I wish Tesla all the luck at doing the same. They won't.



No diamonds lost here. If someone can't deliver today then they aren't ready today. While they are off learning to do a job, I'll have hired someone who brings transferable skills, does the job today and just like the other guy, are also getting better everyday.



Beyond reasonable? Seriously? I don't hire people for on the job training. Those are called interns. I don't buy products that are cool, play games faster and that don't deliver for my use now. That's like all those that bought a 4k TV 1yr ago. Great, but the time that technology hits the market their TV will be generations old. Hope they enjoyed paying more for less in the early term.



Still waiting for you to show me a real grown up use of their technology making a difference.



Not GTA nor that often. My kids prefer books on Kindle but when they do play games, they certainly aren't going to have a father who spends money on an iPhone 6 to do it. No need and very little benefit anywhere else.

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don't dis the Crush. I can't wait to spend $650 for the new iPhone to play that game smoother.

When it comes to gaming, isn't it more to do with how the game code has been optimised rather than the hardware itself? This was always the case with games consoles, would have thought it was the same with phones. But seriously, if you're a keen gamer, wouldn't you just play games on a ps4/xbox or gaming pc rather than a phone? And if you want to play on the go then get a ps vita or something. It offers a far better experience due to the control system.

 

[beosound3200]

I'm not nitpicking words, I'm politely shoving your own comment word for word back at you. There was a lot of irony in you sharing a personal preference/opinion when you said check them at the door. Check your non-objective opinions at the door much? In terms of this "polish of iOS apps vs Android" how about you show me. I have both devices. Happy to load them to compare. Wanna talk tablets? No, let's finish the phone conversation and stay on-point shall we?

this wasnt a subjective opinion, its an objective statement aggregated from all sorts of people, news outlets, reviewers, videos, blogs, etc. its as objective as can be.

of the above that are available on android, I see zero issues or studders on Android. Now I have read about Facebook but I don't do Facebook so can't say.

well, now, this can be two things, either youre blatantly lying, which i doubt, or youre hardcore utilitarian not noticing the little nuances. wanna car analogy? those little nuances are usually not word-describable, while some have tried, usually they dont succeed, because utilitarians like you just dont notice the differences.

Again, don't see it. Linked in, Office run just fine and better on Android IMO. Pandora runs perfectly smooth too. In fact my larger excel files and pdf files run better on my Note 3 than on my iPad Air. I also have the ability to mark up and sign a document on the fly with real stylus vs a finger with my Note 3 and when I'm in front of my client, print right to any of their wireless printers with much more ease.

pandora cant even open smooth because the way animations are designed in android, are you getting it? its not coded to be smooth... coreanimation - read up

I don't care what it's like for developers dude. Real world for users is what this is about. Developers are paid to make it work. If they can't deal with the nuances of the various devices, then don't do it. I don't want to hear about it being difficult as they have a job to do. Either they do their job or they don't.

well, you should, because they will spend less time on a platform with absurd number of devices, low monetization options and much lower pure performance, while apple at the same time is introducing swift to welcome 13yo to coding... look at it this way, more exclusive apps.

I'll remember that the next time I line up 3 phones and open 15 apps while not setting the non iOS phones for their performance modes.

so is it faster or not?

you mean benchmark cheating modes? those only work for benchmarks

or the fact that snapdragon 800 throttles down almost immediately in high usage? i have a graph for that too.

again, the kiddies out there will thank Apple.

both kiddies and developers

Nope. Don't care about games. I'm not a 13yr old kid.

what did we say to leave at the door?

i would never use a stylus, but that doesnt make note 4 ****. but if it lags and is apparently slower from every possible point of view, that might be a problem. im not even mentioning the coding masterpiece touchwiz. i mean, you are willingly using touchwiz and im talking to you about lag, jesus.

I like Tesla too but the US Economy is built around the Petrodollar not electric vehicles. So while all the countries in the Middle East try and dethrone the US Dollar and can't, I wish Tesla all the luck at doing the same. They won't.

plain wrong. when consumers become more involved with cars like they are today with smartphones, consumer will be the one who decides with their wallet. 90'+ generation. tesla is already top sold vehicle in california, among premium ones, bmw, mercedes, audi.

what about model x?

your atitude is appaling

No diamonds lost here. If someone can't deliver today then they aren't ready today. While they are off learning to do a job, I'll have hired someone who brings transferable skills, does the job today and just like the other guy, are also getting better everyday.

you definitely dont come of as innovative and capable guy. whats your business? plumbing? that would explain i want it today

Beyond reasonable? Seriously? I don't hire people for on the job training. Those are called interns. I don't buy products that are cool, play games faster and that don't deliver for my use now. That's like all those that bought a 4k TV 1yr ago. Great, but the time that technology hits the market their TV will be generations old. Hope they enjoyed paying more for less in the early term.

yep, definitely plumbing

Still waiting for you to show me a real grown up use of their technology making a difference.

i did, multiple times. but you dont notice/appreciate the difference. like you wouldnt with an ssd or 300hp car. its just lost on you, which makes it very easy for you. you can buy 100 buck phone and you wont notice the difference. im kinda jealous.

Not GTA nor that often. My kids prefer books on Kindle but when they do play games, they certainly aren't going to have a father who spends money on an iPhone 6 to do it. No need and very little benefit anywhere else.

another case of inability to see beyond yourself

don't dis the Crush. I can't wait to spend $650 for the new iPhone to play that game smoother.

some are, but for overall smoother experience, not just the games. they must be idiots

lets meditate on a point for a little bit. you're using touchwiz and im talking to you about lag. conversation absurd. you apparently dont mind lag and stutters. good for you.

 

[spinedoc77]

would never use a stylus, but that doesnt make note 4 ****. but if it lags and is apparently slower from every possible point of view, that might be a problem. im not even mentioning the coding masterpiece touchwiz. i mean, you are willingly using touchwiz and im talking to you about lag, jesus.



plain wrong. when consumers become more involved with cars like they are today with smartphones, consumer will be the one who decides with their wallet. 90'+ generation. tesla is already top sold vehicle in california, among premium ones, bmw, mercedes, audi.

what about model x?

your atitude is appaling



you definitely dont come of as innovative and capable guy. whats your business? plumbing? that would explain i want it today



yep, definitely plumbing



i did, multiple times. but you dont notice/appreciate the difference. like you wouldnt with an ssd or 300hp car. its just lost on you, which makes it very easy for you. you can buy 100 buck phone and you wont notice the difference. im kinda jealous.



another case of inability to see beyond yourself



some are, but for overall smoother experience, not just the games. they must be idiots

lets meditate on a point for a little bit. you're using touchwiz and im talking to you about lag. conversation absurd. you apparently dont mind lag and stutters. good for you.

Not this BS. Sorry my Note 3 does NOT lag in the least, and I'm not an idiot. Once again I call pure and utter BS on the lag thing. NO lags, NO stutters, nada, zilch.

I keep repeating this challenge and no one has taken me up on it. Give me 2 apps, any apps, and I'll run them on a freshly rebooted iPhone 5 and a Note 3 and video them and upload them. I'm curious to see which apps lag or stutter when put to the test. My prediction, none of them.

 

[Markyboy81]

I'm not going to lie, I'd like to have a super smooth lag free experience. However, in my experience my note 3 doesn't lag much (or what I'd consider to be lag). If it did lag more, I'd happily put up with this than sacrifice so many features by going back to ios. I can't imagine lag will be an issue on the note 4 anyway.

 

[pdqgp]

this wasnt a subjective opinion, its an objective statement aggregated from all sorts of people, news outlets, reviewers, videos, blogs, etc. its as objective as can be.

The same place that say "it just works" iOS is just always so smooth and polished and their build quality is second to none too. Never mind the numerous disasters that iOS and their hardware has had over the past years.

of the above that are available on android, I see zero issues or studders on Android. Now I have read about Facebook but I don't do Facebook so can't say.

well, now, this can be two things, either youre blatantly lying, which i doubt, or youre hardcore utilitarian not noticing the little nuances. wanna car analogy? those little nuances are usually not word-describable, while some have tried, usually they dont succeed, because utilitarians like you just dont notice the differences.

I'm sorry dude, Androids I've used don't stutter when scrolling. Page turns, etc. are all lightning fast and smooth. Currently my Note 3 is what I'm referencing. Call me Utilitarian, but guess what, so are 99% of the actual users.

pandora cant even open smooth because the way animations are designed in android, are you getting it? its not coded to be smooth... coreanimation - read up

Pandora One opens just fine on my Note 3. There's zero shudder. The only pause is while it connects to the network. Works as smooth and as quick as Power Amp. I don't care a thing about the technical jumbo if it does what it's designed to do.

well, you should, because they will spend less time on a platform with absurd number of devices, low monetization options and much lower pure performance, while apple at the same time is introducing swift to welcome 13yo to coding... look at it this way, more exclusive apps.

Again, not seeing a performance issue with apps. Get what you're saying but in the end, it's not making a visible difference here.

so is it faster or not? you mean benchmark cheating modes? those only work for benchmarks or the fact that snapdragon 800 throttles down almost immediately in high usage? i have a graph for that too.

I'm sure you have a graph for about everything. In terms of the video you showed with all three phones lined up...not at all realistic in terms of showing a real world use/performance. Who uses a phone like that?

both kiddies and developers

evidently developers play a lot of video games when they aren't creating graphs.

i would never use a stylus, but that doesnt make note 4 ****. but if it lags and is apparently slower from every possible point of view, that might be a problem. im not even mentioning the coding masterpiece touchwiz. i mean, you are willingly using touchwiz and im talking to you about lag, jesus.

Nope, don't use Touch Wiz. Never have. One of nice things about the Note is I can choose my own launcher. For me, Nova is the best so far, but I use others depending on what I feel like using that day or week. I don't change up often though.

plain wrong. when consumers become more involved with cars like they are today with smartphones, consumer will be the one who decides with their wallet. 90'+ generation. tesla is already top sold vehicle in california, among premium ones, bmw, mercedes, audi.

what about model x?

your atitude is appaling

Your lack of understanding the worlds economy is what's appalling. You probably believe all the news media information about why the US even invaded Iraq and now Syria too. Consumers aren't going to decide anything. You actually don't want them to because if the US dollar fails, so will the worlds economy. Something tells me you must live in a country and thrives on the Euro.

you definitely dont come of as innovative and capable guy. whats your business? plumbing? that would explain i want it today

Let's just say I'm way more than just a programer creating graphs and playing games. If you must know I'm a practicing MD. Ophthalmologist to be exact. My practice has 7 locations and employs both other MD's and OD's. I'm also co owner with my wife who is an attorney in a real estate investment company with over 12 properties and a senior partner in a franchise group that owns a number of fast food locations employing over 800 people. Lastly, I run a photography and graphics production studio focused on corporate events. The last started as a hobby but has evolved into a pretty good business that allows me to continue what started as a strong hobby back when I was just a kid.

i did, multiple times. but you dont notice/appreciate the difference. like you wouldnt with an ssd or 300hp car. its just lost on you, which makes it very easy for you. you can buy 100 buck phone and you wont notice the difference. im kinda jealous.

No, you've pointed out some iPhone only apps and other cross platform apps that function just fine without delays or hiccups on my Android devices. Most of all however, you've talked gaming which appeals to kids.

another case of inability to see beyond yourself

No, I just choose not to let my kids rot their brain on GTA and choose not to pick my devices based on their ability to run GTA to what a graph shows as 50% faster than on other devices.

some are, but for overall smoother experience, not just the games. they must be idiots

Now your calling others idiots...nice. I've yet to see an overall smoother experience on my wifes iP6 vs my Note 3.

lets meditate on a point for a little bit. you're using touchwiz and im talking to you about lag. conversation absurd. you apparently dont mind lag and stutters. good for you.

you should do less meditating and less assuming because you're wrong on a number of accounts.

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Not this BS. Sorry my Note 3 does NOT lag in the least, and I'm not an idiot. Once again I call pure and utter BS on the lag thing. NO lags, NO stutters, nada, zilch.

You have to laugh as you yawn every time you see the Android lag thing come up. Clearly FUD continues to thrive in this world.

I keep repeating this challenge and no one has taken me up on it. Give me 2 apps, any apps, and I'll run them on a freshly rebooted iPhone 5 and a Note 3 and video them and upload them. I'm curious to see which apps lag or stutter when put to the test. My prediction, none of them.

won't happen. he'll just whip out a graph and spew programer speak in between gaming.

 

[aeboi]

Here's a new review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Eibt5_0EVo&feature=youtu.be

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Here's a new review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Eibt5_0EVo&feature=youtu.be

Nice review. I'm getting impatient now.

 

[l3uddz]

Beosound, I take it you have an iPhone? How do you manage with such a jailed experience?

 

[rrl]

Beosound, I take it you have an iPhone? How do you manage with such a jailed experience?

Exactly. iOS: Where freedom goes to die.

 

[TechGod]

Beosound, I take it you have an iPhone? How do you manage with such a jailed experience?

iOS 8 has opened up a lot.

 

[sinclac57]

Unless you're on Verizon then it'll be 2017

Well that goes without saying