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jamezr

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I agree performance would fine, though disappointing, it just doesn't make sense. Because with the curved screen it would basically be the S7 Edge with a slightly bigger screen and spen. Last year aside, the note has always gotten a bump in processor and always got a bump in ram over the galaxy s.

Also, maybe more wishful thinking on my part, Samsung announced new removable storage medium that blows micro sd out of the water speed wise, just in time for the Note 7.

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/7/7/12115616/samsung-ufs-removable-memory-cards
I feel the same way. If this is true then it is a little disappointing tbh. Why upgrade from my S7e except for the S-Pen which I don't use that often.
That UFS sd card is extremely fast!
 
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If the SD 820 Antutu is true, the value of the Note 5 will go up dramatically. The note 5 7420 benchmarks very close to the SD 820. For the US buyers, this will mean very little difference in performance, with likely better RAM management and better battery life given the attention Samsung gives to Exynos. For those who want a flat screen, this likely be a very comparable device to the Note 7. Which is why I just can't buy it yet. There has to be some incentive to upgrade from the S7 Edge or Note 5.
 

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If the SD 820 Antutu is true, the value of the Note 5 will go up dramatically. The note 5 7420 benchmarks very close to the SD 820. For the US buyers, this will mean very little difference in performance, with likely better RAM management and better battery life given the attention Samsung gives to Exynos. For those who want a flat screen, this likely be a very comparable device to the Note 7. Which is why I just can't buy it yet. There has to be some incentive to upgrade from the S7 Edge or Note 5.
Agreed...IF that leak is real and not a fake or some proto type. The N5 will be a good fit for a lot of people. Then.....i don't think you were ever going to get the N7 :)
 
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Agreed...IF that leak is real and not a fake or some proto type. The N5 will be a good fit for a lot of people. Then.....i don't think you were ever going to get the N7 :)

LOL...true. If Samsung surprised me....gave us an Exynos version in the US, unlocked (bootloader and carrier) I'd buy it immediately. I'll post pictures smiling next to that big front logo. No joke. Love their panels, storage, and processor. They are the kings of the industry here. They just don't make them into a usable platform (for me).
 
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I feel the same way. If this is true then it is a little disappointing tbh. Why upgrade from my S7e except for the S-Pen which I don't use that often.
That UFS sd card is extremely fast!

We have to remember the Note 7 likely isn't targeted at S7/S7e upgraders ... But yeah your essentially going .3 of an inch bigger and s-pen if you do have the S7e.
 
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We have to remember the Note 7 likely isn't targeted at S7/S7e upgraders ... But yeah your essentially going .3 of an inch bigger and s-pen if you do have the S7e.
I really wanted the flat display model N7. The larger battery might tempt me along with the new UX TW design and performance. I guess I will wait until the announcement to see exactly what it will be. But if it is the same internals as the S7/edge...it is a little disappointing tbh.
 
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They already set that precedent last year with same CPU albeit 1gb extra ram with Note 5

Still a bit of a head scratcher given this is their top flagship. Wondering if there is something up with the 823.
 

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Still a bit of a head scratcher given this is their top flagship. Wondering if there is something up with the 823.
yeah it makes you wonder huh? If there was an issue with the 823....then why not just go with the Exynos
 

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Hmm, why does Samsung have different procs for different markets? I'm curious if there is some kind of a deal, or an economical reason, or just one of those things only the execs know about. Seems like a single proc would streamline their manufacturing and such.
 

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Hmm, why does Samsung have different procs for different markets? I'm curious if there is some kind of a deal, or an economical reason, or just one of those things only the execs know about. Seems like a single proc would streamline their manufacturing and such.

Radios. Qualcomm has the radios for CDMA (sprint, verizon) on the Snapdragon. Samsung has to pay the big bucks to get them on Exynos (which they did in the S6/Note 5 when the SD 810 was an overheating disaster).
 
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Radios. Qualcomm has the radios for CDMA (sprint, verizon) on the Snapdragon. Samsung has to pay the big bucks to get them on Exynos (which they did in the S6/Note 5 when the SD 810 was an overheating disaster).

Ahh, I see. Time for Samsung to make its own radio parts, hehe.
 

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Interesting to see Galaxy Note has gone from niche to top of list.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...lar-phones-for-the-first-half-of-2016_id82996

AnTuTu-reveals-its-lists-of-the-top-ten-most-popular-smartphones-in-different-regions.jpg
 
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Interesting to see Galaxy Note has gone from niche to top of list.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...lar-phones-for-the-first-half-of-2016_id82996

AnTuTu-reveals-its-lists-of-the-top-ten-most-popular-smartphones-in-different-regions.jpg

It's still a relatively niche device. Antutu popularity on its site is targeted at a niche segment of enthusiasts. Popularity on an enthusiast niche benchmarking website doesn't equate to popularity at retail sales wise. Do you honestly think LeEco 15 was the 9th most popular handset in reality ?

All that chart proves is that more Note 5 users ran Antutu benchmark, and given the correlation between niche powerhouse devices and a niche benchmarking enthusiast website it stands to reason, but in real world if popularity = sales, that chart means very little.

Especially given the Note 5 didn't even launch in a huge segment of the world market.

Whilst undoubtably the Note and the rise of the phablet in general has been massive, the Note is by comparison still aimed at niche demographic audience.




That general audience for larger devices has grown, but since regular phones and those even budget devices like the Moto G have all grown in size over the years, they have filled much of the gap for demand for just bigger devices.

Samsung seems like it's trying to bridge the gap between its more popular commercially S7 and specifically the Edge variant and the Note. Last year Edge + replaced Note 5 in Europe and globally sales were greater for Edge + variant overall than the Note 5, this year they are clearly making a hybrid and giving us a Note 7 with the edges (and no separate edge +).

The danger is potentially will that take away too much from the Note, will it be more edge than note and if internals are same as the S7 Edge other than modest increase in screen size and s-pen what else can it differentiate itself with ? If anything Samsung could potentially be alienating many existing Note users, and those wanting a large Edge device may simply opt for the S7 Edge which is now readily available much cheaper at retail than it initially landed at and readily available second hand and on classifieds.
 
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spinedoc77

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It's still a relatively niche device. Antutu popularity on its site is targeted at a niche segment of enthusiasts. Popularity on an enthusiast niche benchmarking website doesn't equate to popularity at retail sales wise. Do you honestly think LeEco 15 was the 9th most popular handset in reality ?

All that chart proves is that more Note 5 users ran Antutu benchmark, and given the correlation between niche powerhouse devices and a niche benchmarking enthusiast website it stands to reason, but in real world if popularity = sales, that chart means very little.

Especially given the Note 5 didn't even launch in a huge segment of the world market.

Whilst undoubtably the Note and the rise of the phablet in general has been massive, the Note is by comparison still aimed at niche demographic audience.




That general audience for larger devices has grown, but since regular phones and those even budget devices like the Moto G have all grown in size over the years, they have filled much of the gap for demand for just bigger devices.

Samsung seems like it's trying to bridge the gap between its more popular commercially S7 and specifically the Edge variant and the Note. Last year Edge + replaced Note 5 in Europe and globally sales were greater for Edge + variant overall than the Note 5, this year they are clearly making a hybrid and giving us a Note 7 with the edges (and no separate edge +).

The danger is potentially will that take away too much from the Note, will it be more edge than note and if internals are same as the S7 Edge other than modest increase in screen size and s-pen what else can it differentiate itself with ? If anything Samsung could potentially be alienating many existing Note users, and those wanting a large Edge device may simply opt for the S7 Edge which is now readily available much cheaper at retail than it initially landed at and readily available second hand and on classifieds.

Great points, I agree that Samsung is approaching a danger zone where the Note may not be relevant anymore just because of its screen size. With the ability to buy cheaper phones with the same or slightly smaller screen size I could see desire for the Note series to worsen. Really the only differentiating factor is the stylus, which is huge for me but for consumers it probably doesn't mean much.

But it definitely seems they are consolidating their lineup. On the high end they have the S7 and Note 7 which are akin to the iphone 6s and 6s+. I'll bet next year the S8 will be curved and won't have a non-curved option and Samsung will go with only 2 phones for their flagship line, a curved S8 and a curved Note 8. Makes sense to concentrate on less models IMO. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if they just got rid of the Note moniker and simply called the 2 phones the S8 and the S8 plus. Although next year is when a foldable phone is rumored to come from Samsung, so it's possible they will incorporate the Note series into this. Imaging a folding phone with a stylus and wacom capabilities!

Just as an aside, I feel they should put the stylus in the S8 as well, that would really differentiate it from other phones and give note takers an option of a smaller phone.

PS: who else thinks that us loyal fans who started with the Note 1 deserve a reward?!?
 

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Great points, I agree that Samsung is approaching a danger zone where the Note may not be relevant anymore just because of its screen size. With the ability to buy cheaper phones with the same or slightly smaller screen size I could see desire for the Note series to worsen. Really the only differentiating factor is the stylus, which is huge for me but for consumers it probably doesn't mean much.

But it definitely seems they are consolidating their lineup. On the high end they have the S7 and Note 7 which are akin to the iphone 6s and 6s+. I'll bet next year the S8 will be curved and won't have a non-curved option and Samsung will go with only 2 phones for their flagship line, a curved S8 and a curved Note 8. Makes sense to concentrate on less models IMO. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if they just got rid of the Note moniker and simply called the 2 phones the S8 and the S8 plus. Although next year is when a foldable phone is rumored to come from Samsung, so it's possible they will incorporate the Note series into this. Imaging a folding phone with a stylus and wacom capabilities!

Just as an aside, I feel they should put the stylus in the S8 as well, that would really differentiate it from other phones and give note takers an option of a smaller phone.

PS: who else thinks that us loyal fans who started with the Note 1 deserve a reward?!?
I started with the note 1 but I defected back to Apple. I do prefer the note series though. I had the note 1 and 3. I was miffed last year when the note 5 did not come to the UK. I was looking forward to the note 7 this year and I have an available upgrade. However it's not looking that different to the S7 edge and I never really used the the S pen all that much. I'm wondering if I should just get the S7 edge instead. Unless they are going to give us the OG note edge in the note 7.
 
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Heck I wouldn't be surprised if they just got rid of the Note moniker and simply called the 2 phones the S8 and the S8 plus.

Just as an aside, I feel they should put the stylus in the S8 as well, that would really differentiate it from other phones and give note takers an option of a smaller phone.

PS: who else thinks that us loyal fans who started with the Note 1 deserve a reward?!?

Everyone remember this little suggestion by yours truly? Awww, shucks, I'm such a visionary. Lol

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/samsung-should-cancel-the-galaxy-note-line.1954739/
 

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I had a go at a S7 Edge this afternoon while asking myself "Would I buy the N7 if it had this kind of curved screen?" But I just can't shake the feeling that the curved part of the screen is a waste. I'd much rather like the full screen area to be flat. In terms of design I think Apple has it right at the moment, with the glass but not the actual screen area curving into the rounded edges of the phone.

And for sure the Note getting a curved screen puts the Edge model in an iffy position. Honestly at this point I'd just drop the Edge model altogether and let those wanting a curved screen get the Note.

And meanwhile, where's the 8" Note?? A mini tablet is where the S Pen with all its awesome functionality would truly shine. That's a device I wouldn't hesitate one second to buy and use alongside my iPhone+ and Apple Watch.
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Everyone remember this little suggestion by yours truly? Awww, shucks, I'm such a visionary. Lol

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/samsung-should-cancel-the-galaxy-note-line.1954739/
I see what you're saying but I'd keep the Note name. I think the brand as such is really well established at this point and says "pro" more than that word itself actually does.
 

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Ahh, I see. Time for Samsung to make its own radio parts, hehe.

no Samsung does make there own radio parts and modem.its all about licensing CDMA bands and technology to use those bands.its cheaper for Samsung to just use a Qualcomm soc with built in modem for those bands vs paying royalties to Qualcomm for using there patented technology.
 
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