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Beeplance

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At least it's an innovative idea by the South Korean company. Can't fault them from trying to push out a new feature.

Can't remember when's the last time Apple introduced a new feature no one has ever seen before.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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At least it's an innovative idea by the South Korean company. Can't fault them from trying to push out a new feature.

Can't remember when's the last time Apple introduced a new feature no one has ever seen before.
I wasn't faulting the innovation, more the constant demand from consumers. Apple aren't leading the way with features I agree and I'd like to see them introduce something new and soon, but I don't have a long list in anticipation for every launch. I think the last thing Apple introduced to the phone market which pushed others to follow was Siri and that was too long ago now. To make clear I'm not suggesting they invented voice prompts either. I'm happy with steady improvements but appreciate the consumer market has become greedy for features in recent years.
 

Sounds Good

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Jul 8, 2007
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This eye scrolling thing might work. Then again, it might not. Some will like it. Some will turn it off. That's just the way it goes. Either way, it's a pretty interesting concept.
 

bili.d.kid

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This eye scrolling thing might work. Then again, it might not. Some will like it. Some will turn it off. That's just the way it goes. Either way, it's a pretty interesting concept.

and a "weapon" the increase their sales, and mock other brand with their ads campaign
 

Irishman

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I don't hold my phone at the viewing distance that Apple says requires you not to be able to distinguish individual pixels, nor do a lot people I know.

Thanks for the anecdote. It's quite unclear how helpful it is, though. How far do YOU hold your phone, and how large is its screen?

The PPI of a 1080 screen at 4.5-5 inches will mean you won't be able to see pixels even when you hold it closer like I do when I browse the web at night in bed. It also means that full HD movies will look great, also you'll see more of the website when you're browsing.

My original point was that the science behind pixel density and screen resolutions is well-established on the TV/projection screen side of things, and we can't make up new rules for it on the smartphone side of it. Hell, average human eyesight can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 32" screen from 6' away. 1080p on a 4.5-5" phone screen is meaningless.

Talk to any professional ISF/THX Calibrator (like Scott Wilkinson, Robert Heron, Jeff Meier, Dewayne Davis, Ed Johnson, the top names in their profession). Someone who spends their days and nights scrunched sometimes up to within inches of displays in order to wring the most performance out of them - beyond a well-defined cut-off point, 1080p does not matter because the observing instruments (your eyes) are not sensitive enough to see the difference.

On a 3.5" to 5.8" phone, 1080p is pointless.
 

adder7712

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This has been said to death already in this thread and I'm not sure it's true. Apple seems to get bashed lately for any new features they bring out.

Anyway back on topic. Sounds interesting. Would love to see it working in action.

FaceTime is one example. I can recall tons of previous phones that had a front-facing camera.

Anyway, I'll end it just like that.
 

Irishman

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Nov 2, 2006
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At least it's an innovative idea by the South Korean company. Can't fault them from trying to push out a new feature.

Can't remember when's the last time Apple introduced a new feature no one has ever seen before.

You can't remember last Fall? The Fusion Drive in the new Macs?
 

The-Real-Deal82

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FaceTime is one example. I can recall tons of previous phones that had a front-facing camera.

Anyway, I'll end it just like that.
They did indeed get bashed over facetime when they released it. Facetime was the death of Skype for me when calling family and friends I don't meet up with often. As a basic video calling program its very good and lacks the unreliability I had with Skype. Kudos to Apple for bringing us an alternative.
 

ugahairydawgs

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This, to me, is the epitome of a geek feature. It appeals to the same folks that like to root their phones and tweak every little square inch of their phone.

I think, for the wide masses, this will be a throw away feature (most because it probably won't work all that great).
 

sentinelsx

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Feb 28, 2011
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I bet it won't look nearly as ridiculous as your post does.

This thread was moved from the main forum wasn't it.

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Smart stay works in the dark.

Never did for me. And samsung support told me it won't, not enough light to see my eyes.

If this works the same way, again not going to help me.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Wow.. neat idea.

Oh wait, it's from Samsung?

It's stupid.

Lol - keep playing that card....gets old after a while.

Truth is, Apple wouldn't implement something like this because its a gimmick....Apple isn't in the habit of implementing gimmicky features just for the hell of it....that's all Samsung does....

So stop with this "wah wah, if Apple did it you guys would care" bullsh**....grow up.

It's a silly feature with all manner or issues possible....what if I don't want to scroll back up but my eyes go to the top of the screen? What if multiple people are looking at the screen?

Like many Samsung features, its a solution looking for a problem.
 

Tinmania

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Aug 8, 2011
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Do you have inside tech info or are you just assuming it will eat up the battery? The S3 already keeps the screen on if you are looking at the screen, doesn't seem to be a huge battery hog.
The thing about smart stay is that it only turns on the camera for a brief moment when the screen is about to time-out. Ergo, it doesn't really affect battery life much.

The scrolling thing will need to keep the camera on for much longer in order to track the eye movement. It will use likely use more battery than smart stay, but remains to be seen if it is significant or not. (Assuming the feature does in fact get added to the S4.)



Michael
 

Dontazemebro

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Jul 23, 2010
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I dunno, somewhere in West Texas
Thanks for the anecdote. It's quite unclear how helpful it is, though. How far do YOU hold your phone, and how large is its screen?



My original point was that the science behind pixel density and screen resolutions is well-established on the TV/projection screen side of things, and we can't make up new rules for it on the smartphone side of it. Hell, average human eyesight can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 32" screen from 6' away. 1080p on a 4.5-5" phone screen is meaningless.

Talk to any professional ISF/THX Calibrator (like Scott Wilkinson, Robert Heron, Jeff Meier, Dewayne Davis, Ed Johnson, the top names in their profession). Someone who spends their days and nights scrunched sometimes up to within inches of displays in order to wring the most performance out of them - beyond a well-defined cut-off point, 1080p does not matter because the observing instruments (your eyes) are not sensitive enough to see the difference.

On a 3.5" to 5.8" phone, 1080p is pointless.

Won't be meaningless if it's 1080p output.
 

walie

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Nov 15, 2010
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Lol - keep playing that card....gets old after a while.

Truth is, Apple wouldn't implement something like this because its a gimmick....Apple isn't in the habit of implementing gimmicky features just for the hell of it....that's all Samsung does....

So stop with this "wah wah, if Apple did it you guys would care" bullsh**....grow up.

It's a silly feature with all manner or issues possible....what if I don't want to scroll back up but my eyes go to the top of the screen? What if multiple people are looking at the screen?

Like many Samsung features, its a solution looking for a problem.

Ping.

MobileMe.

The Cards App.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Ping.

MobileMe.

The Cards App.

Ping was simply a failure....don't see how its a gimmicky feature - simply a service they tried that didn't take. Seemed like a neat idea at the time though....social media music - they never tried to sell anyone an iPhone because of Ping though.

MobileMe was quite successful until they merged it into iCloud....I would say that's actually an example of the opposite of what Samsung does - Apple didn't want two semi-redundant services running simultaneously.

I don't have any idea what the Cards App is....but its an app, not a selling point of a new device.

The thing is Samsung will market this "innovative" feature to sell GS4s....when the reality is I can scroll with my thumb, which is already on or near the display, much more accurately and quickly than some software reading my eyes.....
 

sentinelsx

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Feb 28, 2011
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May be samsung thought "hey our phones are a tad big and require two handed operation by many people, why don't we add eye scrolling so they don't have to use their other hand, which might be otherwise tied up?".

Could be they wanted to create a solution for easier one handed operation.

But smartstay doesn't work for me if i am in a dark room, like reading something in the night. So i think this will probably not work unless there is some ambient light.
 

thehustleman

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Jan 3, 2013
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May be samsung thought "hey our phones are a tad big and require two handed operation by many people, why don't we add eye scrolling so they don't have to use their other hand, which might be otherwise tied up?".

Could be they wanted to create a solution for easier one handed operation.

But smartstay doesn't work for me if i am in a dark room, like reading something in the night. So i think this will probably not work unless there is some ambient light.

Only samsung phones to big for one handed operation is the note series
 

Dr McKay

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Aug 11, 2010
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On a 3.5" to 5.8" phone, 1080p is pointless.

On my 4.6 inch 1280x768 display I can see individual pixels, 1080p would remedy this.

Also in the Web Browser it'd be able to display much more content without having to scroll, and because the resolution will be higher you'll be able to read certain text without having to zoom in.
 
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