Galaxy S5 sold 40 percent fewer units than Samsung predicted: WSJ

[mi7chy]

As long as Samsung dominates the high end market with Note series, Gear S, etc. they have nothing to worry about. Let the Xiaomi, Opo/OnePlus, Apple, etc. fight for the mid to low end. I only buy AMOLED and precision pen and Samsung is the only one who offers that plus they have the best flash memory (unlike the cheap TLC NAND Apple puts in their iPhone 6/6+), DRAM, SoC, fab, etc. Apple is in a worse predicament.

 

[nickchallis92]

I couldn't care less about Samsung's finances. All i'm interested in is having the best possible phone and as of right now I can't look beyond the Note 4.

 

[jamezr]

Of course you can. Nobody can tell you where to post on a public forum. The Alternatives section here is suitable for anybody who likes Android, has owned or owns Android devices, has an interest in Android devices etc etc. I think most of us here have experience of it.

Agreed! But if you do not own an Android device. Have no interest in owning an Android device. Had an Android device from years ago and did not like it.........then why come to this section?

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Nope. You are consistent like that. You keep your negative posts about other devices contained to one forum, it seems. Congrats on that hate.
That said, once again, why not discuss the thread subject instead of derail?

Really so show me where i did that then.......

 

[mercuryjones]

Agreed! But if you do not own an Android device. Have no interest in owning an Android device. Had an Android device from years ago and did not like it.........then why come to this section?

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Really so show me where i did that then.......

Wow. I went to find a post of yours that supported my claim, and found that you like to police the Alternative OS section instead. I'm now done replying to you, since all you seem to do is derail threads with the same question over and over again. So, I'm sure you'll see this as a "win" for you, and I'll allow you to take it as so.
Good day, sir.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Agreed! But if you do not own an Android device. Have no interest in owning an Android device. Had an Android device from years ago and did not like it.........then why come to this section?

Well that is not a question you or I should be asking openly as that is the mods job here. You certainly shouldn't be accusing people of trolling as if you feel that is the case, it should be reported through the appropriate function. I said this last week to you, but making accusations like that just derails the thread and ultimately changes the mood of the discussion. I think the person you quoted has strong opinions but is interested enough in Android to discuss and learn from those currently using it.

 

[jamezr]

Well that is not a question you or I should be asking openly as that is the mods job here. You certainly shouldn't be accusing people of trolling as if you feel that is the case, it should be reported through the appropriate function. I said this last week to you, but making accusations like that just derails the thread and ultimately changes the mood of the discussion. I think the person you quoted has strong opinions but is interested enough in Android to discuss and learn from those currently using it.

I disagree.....you have to question people's motives. That is how you digest and formulate what they write.
So again.......if you saw someone that hated the iPhone. yet was continuously posting that negativity in the iPhone threads......what would your reaction be? Would you question why there are there if they don't like the iPhone?

 

[mercuryjones]

Well that is not a question you or I should be asking openly as that is the mods job here. You certainly shouldn't be accusing people of trolling as if you feel that is the case, it should be reported through the appropriate function. I said this last week to you, but making accusations like that just derails the thread and ultimately changes the mood of the discussion. I think the person you quoted has strong opinions but is interested enough in Android to discuss and learn from those currently using it.

Thanks. I do. I didn't like my time with Android, but I can also see that it's getting better with every release. However, I was burned enough that I'd have to go with a Nexus device and then Google goes and raises the price on it.
Now, back on subject, Samsung is well aware of the issues, but this does not bode well for them in the long term. At some point, they are going to have to make a solid decision - do they stay with Android, move production to Windows Phone or double down on Tizen? They are going to have to get out in front of this, since their Android dominance seems to be fading.

 

[FFR]

As long as Samsung dominates the high end market with Note series, Gear S, etc. they have nothing to worry about. Let the Xiaomi, Opo/OnePlus, Apple, etc. fight for the mid to low end. I only buy AMOLED and precision pen and Samsung is the only one who offers that plus they have the best flash memory (unlike the cheap TLC NAND Apple puts in their iPhone 6/6+), DRAM, SoC, fab, etc. Apple is in a worse predicament.

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But Samsung is not dominating the high end either.

 

[FFR]

Looks like the iPhone6/6 plus is responsible as well for the fall in sales:

"Galaxy S5 has been a huge disappointment and heads may roll at Samsung"

"Samsung has been getting hammered in both the high-end smartphone market by record iPhone sales and in the low-end and mid-range markets by Chinese Android vendors such as Xiaomi.
Because of this, the Journal says Samsung is considering moving mobile boss J.K. Shin out of the mobile division and replacing him with B.K. Yoon, who currently oversees Samsung’s home appliance and television divisions."

http://bgr.com/2014/11/24/samsung-galaxy-s5-sales/

 

[mercuryjones]

Looks like the iPhone6/6 plus is responsible as well for the fall in sales:

"Galaxy S5 has been a huge disappointment and heads may roll at Samsung"

"Samsung has been getting hammered in both the high-end smartphone market by record iPhone sales and in the low-end and mid-range markets by Chinese Android vendors such as Xiaomi.
Because of this, the Journal says Samsung is considering moving mobile boss J.K. Shin out of the mobile division and replacing him with B.K. Yoon, who currently oversees Samsung’s home appliance and television divisions."

http://bgr.com/2014/11/24/samsung-galaxy-s5-sales/

Why does this remind me of 30 Rock? Didn't they move Jack Donaghy from Microwaves to overseeing NBC programming? I wonder if life at Samsung is as wacky?

 

[mi7chy]

But Samsung is not dominating the high end either.

Wrong again. Apple is low end in comparison since Samsung doesn't sell any high or mid end phones with 1GB DRAM, cheap LCD and TLC NAND that I'm aware of.

 

[cube]

If they sold the upper end Duos in developed countries they would do better.

 

[Fireblade]

Wrong again. Apple is low end in comparison since Samsung doesn't sell any high or mid end phones with 1GB DRAM, cheap LCD and TLC NAND that I'm aware of.

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How can iPhones be lowend, as they have RETINA displays, RETINA!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I disagree.....you have to question people's motives. That is how you digest and formulate what they write.

So again.......if you saw someone that hated the iPhone. yet was continuously posting that negativity in the iPhone threads......what would your reaction be? Would you question why there are there if they don't like the iPhone?

I report them to the mods and more often than not they are put in 'Time Out' or banned. Threads full of accusations just get locked because they go off topic. Last week you reported me for trolling and you ended up facing a sanction so I felt rather than see it happen to you again it would be wise to consider that the other person may have a legitimate reason to be here. Anyway we are going off topic with this so that's it from me.

Back to topic, I think Samsung will be unhappy with a 40% drop. The iPhone 5S was out selling the S5 in its launch month and I thought then it wasn't a good sign. Their Note line seems to have increased in popularity whereas the S4 and S5 have not lived up to the popularity the S3 enjoyed. It's either a greater demand for bigger phones which I don't think is the case or the likes of HTC, LG, Moto and Nexus are stealing a chunk at the higher end. Samsung can't be complacent in this business and need the S6 to compete if they want to maintain their spot as the most popular Android brand.

 

[jamezr]

I report them to the mods and more often than not they are put in 'Time Out' or banned. Threads full of accusations just get locked because they go off topic. Last week you reported me for trolling and you ended up facing a sanction so I felt rather than see it happen to you again it would be wise to consider that the other person may have a legitimate reason to be here. Anyway we are going off topic with this so that's it from me.

That is what the person i was commenting on does..... then you jumped in and defended him....
Good to know though.........

 

[mi7chy]

Just means more customers are buying the Note vs the S5. If Samsung offered only one or two flagship models like Apple then it's an issue but they have several so you can't single out one and say Samsung is doomed when Note 4 is currently the best phone on the market.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Wrong again. Apple is low end in comparison since Samsung doesn't sell any high or mid end phones with 1GB DRAM, cheap LCD and TLC NAND that I'm aware of.



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I am struggling to see how the things you list there means the iPhone is low end? That looks like a load of preferences that you have decided is the criteria to judge what status a phone should have. The iPhone has its own unique operating system and that figures way before hardware for many people including myself. I think its popularity backs that up too, plus it's not the device that is experiencing poor sales so why are people not buying as many Samsung devices that boast a better specs? I am sure the board in Korea are asking that exact question right now.

 

[FFR]

Wrong again. Apple is low end in comparison since Samsung doesn't sell any high or mid end phones with 1GB DRAM, cheap LCD and TLC NAND that I'm aware of.



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Sadly your opinion does not dictate market realities, whatever those reasons maybe.
The market considers the iPhone 6/6+ high end.


You keep bringing up figures from March.
Any current figures?
Eg q4'14
This might explain why might not be up to date with current market trends.

 

[mercuryjones]

Just means more customers are buying the Note vs the S5. If Samsung offered only one or two flagship models like Apple then it's an issue but they have several so you can't single out one and say Samsung is doomed when Note 4 is currently the best phone on the market.

Where are the sales numbers for the Note 4? You can't really say that until you see the numbers. The real problem is that samsung has overextended themselves by releasing so many handsets this year, and not really having that much differentiation between them? I mean, where does the Alpha land? It's like a mixture of the Note 4 and S5, so who is supposed to buy it?
That, plus the Chinese companies selling Android handsets like crazy, is not helping Samsung in the least. They need to scale back and focus on the handsets that make them money and not oversaturate the market and confuse buyers.

 

[mi7chy]

The iPhone has its own unique operating system and that figures way before hardware for many people including myself.

Unique in what way? iOS 8.x is buggy and laggy and it's not even as feature rich as the competition such as lack of split screen multitasking to utilize the bigger screens. And, the hardware is DRAM starved. Checked out the iPhone 6+ extensively and Safari browser scrolling is a lot laggier and tabs reload with just two vs like six compared to an old 2012 Note II.

http://youtu.be/rGTQAYHfc8U

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Unique in what way? iOS 8.x is buggy and laggy and it's not even as feature rich as the competition such as lack of split screen multitasking to utilize the bigger screens. And, the hardware is DRAM starved. Checked out the iPhone 6+ extensively and Safari browser scrolling is a lot laggier and tabs reload with just two vs like six compared to an old 2012 Note II.



http://youtu.be/rGTQAYHfc8U

Unique in the way it's Apples product and worth investing in for many of us. It's also selling very well as the demand is high. Feature rich it is not, but it does all the main popular tasks very well so it shows it's not lacking features that a mainstream of consumers consider a deal breaker. I can't think of something i need that I can't do on an iPhone? The problems you list have not been issues for me that I am aware of.

Maybe the feature race of 2012 has determined what people want and this has somehow meant the market became saturated with models chasing the next big thing? I think there is plenty of choice out there and in the Android sector Samsung may have to consider that they now share the market with some very nice models from other manufacturers and consumers are more wise as to the choice.

 

[FFR]

Galaxy S5 sold 40 percent fewer units than Samsung predicted: WSJ

Unique in what way? iOS 8.x is buggy and laggy and it's not even as feature rich as the competition such as lack of split screen multitasking to utilize the bigger screens. And, the hardware is DRAM starved. Checked out the iPhone 6+ extensively and Safari browser scrolling is a lot laggier and tabs reload with just two vs like six compared to an old 2012 Note II.



http://youtu.be/rGTQAYHfc8U

Doesn't seem to affect iPhone sales.
Now back on topic, doesn't explain why s5 sales are faltering.

 

[mercuryjones]

Unique in what way? iOS 8.x is buggy and laggy and it's not even as feature rich as the competition such as lack of split screen multitasking to utilize the bigger screens. And, the hardware is DRAM starved. Checked out the iPhone 6+ extensively and Safari browser scrolling is a lot laggier and tabs reload with just two vs like six compared to an old 2012 Note II.

http://youtu.be/rGTQAYHfc8U

And yet, from an app standpoint, iOS is much better at memory management than Android, hence the need for Android phones to have double and triple the memory.
http://tech.firstpost.com/news-anal...an-android-with-more-than-2gb-ram-242029.html

 

[mi7chy]

And yet, from an app standpoint, iOS is much better at memory management than Android, hence the need for Android phones to have double and triple the memory.
http://tech.firstpost.com/news-anal...an-android-with-more-than-2gb-ram-242029.html

That article is garbage. I use both platforms extensively and DRAM makes a big difference on tab reload and apps closing prematurely in the background causing loss of status and whatever you were working on. Why do you think Apple increased the DRAM on the iPad Air 2?

 

[Fireblade]

And yet, from an app standpoint, iOS is much better at memory management than Android, hence the need for Android phones to have double and triple the memory.
http://tech.firstpost.com/news-anal...an-android-with-more-than-2gb-ram-242029.html

It's getting ridiculous now..