Galaxy S5 sold 40 percent fewer units than Samsung predicted: WSJ

[FFR]

Galaxy S5 sold 40 percent fewer units than Samsung predicted: WSJ

That article is garbage. I use both platforms extensively and DRAM makes a big difference on tab reload and apps closing prematurely in the background causing loss of status and whatever you were working on. Why do you think Apple increased the DRAM on the iPad Air 2?

That article is not garbage.

Just because you don't want to believe something does not make it garbage. Did you even read it?

From the article:
"Now, Glyn Williams has explained on Quora that iOS devices beat Android devices with even double the RAM, simply because Android uses Java and needs all the additional RAM for something known as ‘garbage collection’."

Because the iPad has a tri-core cpu.

 

[mi7chy]

Because the iPad has a tri-core cpu.

That's new. So, you have to increase DRAM with additional core(s)? Funny how I upgraded my workstation from 4-core to 16-core and didn't have to touch DRAM.

 

[FFR]

That's new. So, you have to increase DRAM with additional core(s)? Funny how I upgraded my workstation from 4-core to 16-core and didn't have to touch DRAM.

You don't have to, Apple did it.

Cool story, nothing to do with tricore CPUs or smartphones.

 

[Technarchy]

I have a Galaxy S5 but no shares in Samsung so I couldn't give a damn, should I?

I am delighted with my phone it is slick and does not overheat, the only people that seem to get lag with a Galaxy S5 are those that have never owned one.

Same. I've been satisfied with most aspects of my S5. Solid performance and specs with nothing really glaring as negative.

Samsung is in free fall on all fronts as they get squeezed in places like China, and Apple globally, but it doesn't impact my positive experiences with the S5.

 

[mercuryjones]

That's new. So, you have to increase DRAM with additional core(s)? Funny how I upgraded my workstation from 4-core to 16-core and didn't have to touch DRAM.

Reaching much? Tell me when you can upgrade your cellphone from quad core to octa core on your own. Should be soon, but it's not there yet. Also, just because you don't believe in something, doesn't make it false.

 

[balamw]

Feature rich it is not, but it does all the main popular tasks very well so it shows it's not lacking features that a mainstream of consumers consider a deal breaker.

Apple, and in particular the iPhone 6/6+ are great examples of where "good enough" feature wise trumps "best in class".

Apple's high demand for the components that go into their phones creates a lot of pressure on their suppliers. Apple significantly increasing the specs in their product would probably cause some suppliers to go the way of GTAT.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-slowly-balancing-out-the-supply-and-demand-ratio_id63112

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[Oletros]

That article is not garbage.

Just because you don't want to believe something does not make it garbage. Did you even read it?

The article is garbage because those graphs shown are for a desktop JVM garbage collector and Dalvik is not a JVM and don't use those garbage collectors and the garbage collector on Android is not the source of that lag that is accused Android of having, it has nothing to do with program execution but with GUI

From the article:
"Now, Glyn Williams has explained on Quora that iOS devices beat Android devices with even double the RAM, simply because Android uses Java and needs all the additional RAM for something known as ‘garbage collection’."

Because the iPad has a tri-core cpu.

Still trying to grasp what has to do a tri-core CPU with DRAM or garbage collection

And, by the way, Android doesn't run Java

 

[mi7chy]

Reaching much? Tell me when you can upgrade your cellphone from quad core to octa core on your own. Should be soon, but it's not there yet. Also, just because you don't believe in something, doesn't make it false.

Fundamentals much? Number of cores has no dependency on DRAM. He probably meant resolution since it takes more of the shared system memory.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Samsung peaked with the S3 and the Note 3. The Note 4 is doing well, but I haven't seen the sale numbers for a prolonged period of time since it's just about a month or two old. The S3 was selling like crazy. The S4 and S5 are the same thing, laggy phones with overheating issues, resource hogging software, cheap build quality, battery life issues, and gimmicky features. Samsung is starting from scratch for the GS6. They need to get rid of Touchwiz's resource hogging. Stop pushing Samsung first party apps, nobody uses Chaton or S-Voice. Nobody wants Tizen. Focus on a minimalistic software that uses those extra features without turning a phone into another mess.

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I would disagree. There are tons of people who are tech literate and use the iPhone. My cousin is a software engineer and he uses an iPhone 6 64GB in Space Grey. I am tech literate and I had an iPhone 5S for about a week. I own an iPad as well, so I do understand Apple sells these gimmicks and people buy into them. I might buy the iPhone 6 since I have been through almost all the top androids and had problems with them. I went through like 10 Galaxy S5s, 1 LG G3, and 1 HTC One M8. I am considering the Note 4, but that has overheating issues from what I heard. The only Android phone that I consider the best right now is the Nexus 6. Only problem is that size is a lot bigger than what I thought besides the screen length.

You just don't like Android devices and prefer Apple. There is nothing wrong with that, but to say that they are all faulty is ridiculous. I've none of the problems you mention with my S5, nor did I have them with my note 3 or S4.

 

[CEmajr]

Wrong again. Apple is low end in comparison since Samsung doesn't sell any high or mid end phones with 1GB DRAM, cheap LCD and TLC NAND that I'm aware of.

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Are you being sarcastic or are you just totally oblivious to reality?

Your chart shows total shipments of all smartphones. The vast majority of Samsung's shipments are made up of low-end and mid-end phones. Their high end devices make up the smallest share of those numbers.

While Apple ONLY sells high end devices. I guarantee you that Samsung did not ship 35 million S5s and Note 3s in Q2 2014.

For what you're trying to argue your graph is worthless.

Apple has always dominated the high-end and now Samsung is getting hammered on the low-end as well as the high-end, hence the reason they are still shipping a massive amount of phones but their profits are in the toilet.

Also what is defined as high, mid, low-end is determined by the average sale price of the device on the market, not by your petty and insignificant views on which specs each device should have.

Samsung's best days are behind them in terms of profit in mobile. Going forward they are likely to just become one of the many fish in the Android sea again just like what happened to HTC. We haven't even seen the worst yet as the total numbers for Q4 are yet to be seen so even right now they are in free falling situation. They can't offer anything to differentiate themselves and their marketing is no longer enough to drive sales.

EDIT: Speaking of quarterly shipments, here's the real kicker: Q4 2013 Samsung shipped 82 million units. With their mobile sales in free fall and Apple expected to reach around 80 million for Q4 2014, we may possibly see Apple ship more iPhones than Samsung shipped of all 20+ of their models in a quarter. What an utter embarrassment that would be since all of Apple's sales are high-end high margin devices with an ASP over $650.

 

[Shanghaichica]

But Samsung is not dominating the high end either.

They high end of the Android market. Samsung are dominating that.

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I report them to the mods and more often than not they are put in 'Time Out' or banned. Threads full of accusations just get locked because they go off topic. Last week you reported me for trolling and you ended up facing a sanction so I felt rather than see it happen to you again it would be wise to consider that the other person may have a legitimate reason to be here. Anyway we are going off topic with this so that's it from me.

Back to topic, I think Samsung will be unhappy with a 40% drop. The iPhone 5S was out selling the S5 in its launch month and I thought then it wasn't a good sign. Their Note line seems to have increased in popularity whereas the S4 and S5 have not lived up to the popularity the S3 enjoyed. It's either a greater demand for bigger phones which I don't think is the case or the likes of HTC, LG, Moto and Nexus are stealing a chunk at the higher end. Samsung can't be complacent in this business and need the S6 to compete if they want to maintain their spot as the most popular Android brand.

I think you need to find out just how little HTC et al are really selling before you make statements like these. Samsung are getting squeezed by the Chinese OEM's in the Asian market. They are not seeing problems in Europe and America at the moment.

 

[FFR]

They high end of the Android market. Samsung are dominating that.

Not anymore, that's what this thread is all about.

 

[g0df4th3r]

Not anymore, that's what this thread is all about.

Combine what HTC, LG, Sony, Moto, and other high end Android makers have and it still won't compare to what Samsung makes. Even if Samsung is in a slump it still trashes other high end Android makers.

 

[kdarling]

That article is not garbage.

The claim in the article is complete garbage. The chart was taken from this paper:

Quantifying the Performance of Garbage Collection vs. Explicit Memory Management

The chart has nothing to do with how much memory is needed for Garbage Collection.

It's actually about how efficient GC can be.

What the chart shows, is that as more memory pages are used, the tested Garbage Collectors approach the speed of straight C style memory (de)allocation.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

They high end of the Android market. Samsung are dominating that.

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I think you need to find out just how little HTC et al are really selling before you make statements like these. Samsung are getting squeezed by the Chinese OEM's in the Asian market. They are not seeing problems in Europe and America at the moment.

I didn't pretend to know any facts, it was purely an assumption on my part for discussion.

 

[Truefan31]

Samsung dominating the high end? Lol cmon lets be serious. Apple is dominating that. They just launched a 6 plus. Wait a year or two and see the sales increase just like their flagship.

So the 40% drop in s5 means there's a 40% increase in note 4 sales? Where's the numbers?

 

[NT1440]

Honestly I dont know how they could have misjudged so badly. I mean the s5 was a completely meh update to their solid s4.

I can see how the market that uses the note line would be over the moon with the note 4....but what was the "it" factor of the s5 that was supposed to drive consumers out in droves like they expected?

 

[Shanghaichica]

Samsung dominating the high end? Lol cmon lets be serious. Apple is dominating that. They just launched a 6 plus. Wait a year or two and see the sales increase just like their flagship.

So the 40% drop in s5 means there's a 40% increase in note 4 sales? Where's the numbers?

The high end of the Android market.

 

[Truefan31]

As long as Samsung dominates the high end market with Note series, Gear S, etc. they have nothing to worry about. Let the Xiaomi, Opo/OnePlus, Apple, etc. fight for the mid to low end. I only buy AMOLED and precision pen and Samsung is the only one who offers that plus they have the best flash memory (unlike the cheap TLC NAND Apple puts in their iPhone 6/6+), DRAM, SoC, fab, etc. Apple is in a worse predicament.

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I know u hate apple but be real here. The iPhone is the best selling high end phone. Has been for years. Now they'll start again with the iPhone 6 plus. The gear s? Really? Like u really think the apple watch won't sell?

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The high end of the Android market.

Ok I see that. But he said Apple is low-mid which even android fans would disagree based on sales price.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I know u hate apple but be real here. The iPhone is the best selling high end phone. Has been for years. Now they'll start again with the iPhone 6 plus. The gear s? Really? Like u really think the apple watch won't sell?

I reckon that the note 4 and 6 plus will sell around the same. As we know that the iPhone 6 is outselling the 6 plus 6 to 1.

 

[mercuryjones]

I reckon that the note 4 and 6 plus will sell around the same. As we know that the iPhone 6 is outselling the 6 plus 6 to 1.

That's most likely only because Apple can't make enough 6 Pluses to keep up with demand.

 

[JamesMike]

So far my Galaxy S5 has worked well, good battery life, and the water resistant is a plus for my jogging and work outside. It also takes nice pictures, including panorama photos.

 

[Technarchy]

Honestly I dont know how they could have misjudged so badly. I mean the s5 was a completely meh update to their solid s4.

I can see how the market that uses the note line would be over the moon with the note 4....but what was the "it" factor of the s5 that was supposed to drive consumers out in droves like they expected?

The S4 is not a good product. It was the worst Galaxy flagship of them all. The S5 was Sammy finding their stride again.

 

[NT1440]

The S4 is not a good product. It was the worst Galaxy flagship of them all. The S5 was Sammy finding their stride again.

I'm sorry I definitely mispoke. I was thinking of my sisters' phones, which are s3's not s4's

 

[nickchallis92]

The S5 is a very good product but i think it comes across as a bit bland. It's very solid at everything it does without pushing boundaries.

It's very quick as you'd expect from a flagship
It has an excellent screen like all Samsungs
The camera is very good like all Samsungs

But if you have a Note 2/3 or the S4, where is the incentive to upgrade? A fingerprint scanner which isn't quite as good as the competition's and a heart-rate monitor which is a relatively cheap add-on.

I do hope the S6 is a success as I owned the S1,2 & 3 and enjoyed them all very much.