Galaxy S6

[Truefan31]

Galaxy S6

You gotta learn to ignore these two. They offer nothing to the thread or conversation. They do not own or like Android. Heck they are even familiar with the S6 they are commenting on. They constantly come back to sales as their biggest yardstick. They did this in the other thread as well. Gonna email the mods. It almost feels like trolling. They don't like...don't want to own Android.....love everything Apple and iphone yet are here in the Alternative threads to negative comments on things they obviously do not like.

Sales is an indicator of success imo. It's not trolling. I believe Samsung sales of the s5 were disappointing, hence the redesign. It's because it didn't live up to business expectations. I don't love everything Apple, and have nothing against the s6. I've said it looks to be a great device. But people saying it all a sudden has to mean Apple is somehow at a loss is baffling. All I see are opinions. I keep asking where's real data showing Apple is losing anything. It's not negative, nobody's shown anything concrete that shows Apple is losing at anything because of the s6.

If you say Apple isn't competing, and I say otherwise, we both have an opinion. So what real evidence as a whole is there to illustrate? If Apple has shown yearly growth on paper, meeting/exceeding projections then other than our feelings how is Apple not being competitive to a success?

Whether I like Apple or android is not the basis of my question. If someone says apples brand is being chipped away, I'd like to see factually how. Show me real numbers to illustrate the point. If someone says Apple is doing great then show me how. Record breaking quarters at least illustrate the point.

The s6 looks to be selling more than the s5. If Samsung projected 70 million by eoy and fall short, I'm sure they'd look at it as not being a success.

 

[jamezr]

Sales is an indicator of success imo. It's not trolling. I believe Samsung sales of the s5 were disappointing, hence the redesign. It's because it didn't live up to business expectations. I don't love everything Apple, and have nothing against the s6. I've said it looks to be a great device. But people saying it all a sudden has to mean Apple is somehow at a loss is baffling. All I see are opinions. I keep asking where's real data showing Apple is losing anything. It's not negative, nobody's shown anything concrete that shows Apple is losing at anything because of the s6.

So...why are you here? Why come to the Alternative section?

 

[Truefan31]

So...why are you here? Why come to the Alternative section?

Why not? I'm interested in different things. I like discussion. Samsung and Apple arent the only companies in existence.

 

[jamezr]

Why not? I'm interested in different things. I like discussion. Samsung and Apple arent the only companies in existence.

I like discussion too..have an open mind. Give everyone the benefit of the doubt. But some come here just to argue and troll. How can you spot trolling? The whole context of someone's postings. You are only here to cast a negative light on anything that is not Apple or the iphone. We all see it everyone knows this about you. You were proven wrong in one thread so onto the next to one to start all over again. So back to ignoring you. You have nothing to offer to these discussions.

 

[Truefan31]

I was proven wrong? About what? I don't mind being wrong. Last I checked not everyone is right all the time, no?

 

[Vegastouch]

If Samsung screws up the Note 5, they will set themselves a good distance back in their Galaxy brand.

I honestly don't know how necessary the SD slot factor will be. But if they exclude it like the S6, they should be smart and make the 64gb the standard and keep it at a 32gb price range.

I think if they just cut out a lot of the bloat they let the carriers add it would sell better. Maybe even some of their stuff. Not their app store but things like ChatOn, Lookout(you can download that yourself if you want it), Milk, Etc...

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Brand power is measured by financial performance, which is based on financial performance which is dependent on sales. There is enough on the Internet to validate that statement. Apple at this point is the most valuable brand in the world.

Apple was already considered a prestige brand before 2001 for it's MAC computers. That's way before it was the most valuable brand. It's Apple's early adoption of revolutionizing portable music players and smartphones that took them to the top. The brand was already there before the sales. Before the iPod, many companies have tried to do similar with portable music players, but they didn't have that prestige brand that was known for high quality and ease of use.

With smartphones, Apple was first at correcting everything that was wrong with the existing market and making everyone's jaws drop. Other companies also tried that before, but they didn't get it right and didn't have that prestige brand to garner attention. If you remember the backlash Apple got for introducing something so different, only a company that's considered to be a good brand could deal with that without scrapping it's plans.

Those times have past. Apple has become too mainstream, too normal, and less niche. While I think Apple will never be doomed in our lifetime, this is definitely Apple's gold rush moment which is dependent on iOS devices(mainly iPhones). History will look at this moment as Apple's peak profits until they come up with another gold mine seller.

Apple's iPhone brand is in jeopardy, whether you like it or not.

iPhone's are the majority of Apple's profits. Apple has a strong brand, but the iPhone itself is like a sub brand. Now if the iPhone's brand degrades, then Apple loses profits which in turn degrades their brand as a smartphone manufacturer. This is the inevitable. And with Samsung's aggressiveness towards claiming the top brand of smartphones, it will probably happen sooner than later with Apple's pace at upgrading it's hardware and software.

So basically Apple will either have to "shape up or ship out" when it comes to the iPhone. And I hope they shape up, cause I don't want Android manufacturers to become complacent with upgrades as Apple is. Strong competition is best.

 

[jamezr]

I think if they just cut out a lot of the bloat they let the carriers add it would sell better. Maybe even some of their stuff. Not their app store but things like ChatOn, Lookout(you can download that yourself if you want it), Milk, Etc...

agree...no need to install all of those apps. They can just add a folder in the app drawer with a place holder for all of the additional apps. Then you can install or not but at least have a choice.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I think if they just cut out a lot of the bloat they let the carriers add it would sell better. Maybe even some of their stuff. Not their app store but things like ChatOn, Lookout(you can download that yourself if you want it), Milk, Etc...

With contracts/subsidizing disappearing, that should eventually give consumers power not to accept carrier bloat. At least in America.

Samsung has already cut out plenty of bloat on the S6 compared to Note 4 I was previously using. Most likely they will keep moving in that direction.

But you can't forget that they are a business too. Why should Google Music be a default app, and not have one of their own music players as default?

 

[I7guy]

Apple was already considered a prestige brand before 2001 for it's MAC computers. That's way before it was the most valuable brand. It's Apple's early adoption of revolutionizing portable music players and smartphones that took them to the top. The brand was already there before the sales. Before the iPod, many companies have tried to do similar with portable music players, but they didn't have that prestige brand that was known for high quality and ease of use.

With smartphones, Apple was first at correcting everything that was wrong with the existing market and making everyone's jaws drop. Other companies also tried that before, but they didn't get it right and didn't have that prestige brand to garner attention. If you remember the backlash Apple got for introducing something so different, only a company that's considered to be a good brand could deal with that without scrapping it's plans.

Those times have past. Apple has become too mainstream, too normal, and less niche. While I think Apple will never be doomed in our lifetime, this is definitely Apple's gold rush moment which is dependent on iOS devices(mainly iPhones). History will look at this moment as Apple's peak profits until they come up with another gold mine seller.

Apple's iPhone brand is in jeopardy, whether you like it or not.

iPhone's are the majority of Apple's profits. Apple has a strong brand, but the iPhone itself is like a sub brand. Now if the iPhone's brand degrades, then Apple loses profits which in turn degrades their brand as a smartphone manufacturer. This is the inevitable. And with Samsung's aggressiveness towards claiming the top brand of smartphones, it will probably happen sooner than later with Apple's pace at upgrading it's hardware and software.

So basically Apple will either have to "shape up or ship out" when it comes to the iPhone. And I hope they shape up, cause I don't want Android manufacturers to become complacent with upgrades as Apple is. Strong competition is best.

I'm not sure how you positively assert the bolded. But I guess we'll have to see how everything plays out with the 6s and 7, (if that's what they even will be called) which I think are critical releases for Apple. But I will way I really like my BB for business use...if it only had the apps that apple has.

 

[jamezr]

Sales is an indicator of success imo.
If you say Apple isn't competing,

Quote:
Originally Posted by I7guy
Brand power is measured by financial performance, which is based on financial performance which is dependent on sales.

Sales is what makes Apple and IOS the best? Is that what you and I7guy are saying? Then the iphone and IOS must really be bad then. Based on sales it trails Android. If sales are the measuring stick....Maybe Apple and needs to step up and compete with more features and it might do better? It has a LOT of catching up to do.

http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-market-share.jsp

http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp

 

[tbayrgs]

Sales is what makes Apple and IOS the best? Is that what you and I7guy are saying? Then the iphone and IOS must really be bad then. Based on sales it trails Android. If sales are the measuring stick....Maybe Apple and needs to step up and compete with more features and it might do better? It has a LOT of catching up to do.

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Jamezr--this really isn't a far comparison because you're putting Apple on one side and not comparing to another company but rather comparing against ALL companies. It would be no different this of you did the same thing with Samsung--their 24% looks pretty terrible against the 76% of everyone else. Samsung, Lenovo, HTC, LG--they may sell phones using Android but they're not all on the same team--they compete with Each other as much as they compete with Apple.

 

[Truefan31]

Jamezr--this really isn't a far comparison because you're putting Apple on one side and not comparing to another company but rather comparing against ALL companies. It would be no different this of you did the same thing with Samsung--their 24% looks pretty terrible against the 76% of everyone else. Samsung, Lenovo, HTC, LG--they may sell phones using Android but they're not all on the same team--they compete with Each other as much as they compete with Apple.

Thank you. And yes, sales is an indicator of success. Like in all business, especially retail, sustained sales and growth is an indicator of success. I'm not even talking about iOS vs android. I've already said Samsung has to fight within other android oems like lg, Sony, htc, oneplus, xiaomi, etc. again how does the s6 being a seemingly great device mean Apple is in jeopardy, when other than feelings and opinions there's no real data to support this.

 

[jamezr]

Jamezr--this really isn't a far comparison because you're putting Apple on one side and not comparing to another company but rather comparing against ALL companies. It would be no different this of you did the same thing with Samsung--their 24% looks pretty terrible against the 76% of everyone else. Samsung, Lenovo, HTC, LG--they may sell phones using Android but they're not all on the same team--they compete with Each other as much as they compete with Apple.

It is fair...Apple put itself in that position by being the only one that can sell phones with IOS. Plus it is the two posters i was replying to who have been saying iPhone/IOS is the best smartphone based on sales. That Apple doesn't have to compete or add features because of its sales. I have shown data that proves otherwise.

The beautiful thing about Android is there are multiple companies that make phones running Android. Different OEMs can add different features thus giving the consumer more choices and a better selection of features. If one company doesn't have the phone with the features the consumer wants/needs then another most likely will.

Apple wants to be the only one to sell phones with IOS......thats is up to them. But samsung , HTC, Lenovo, LG among others sell Android phones. Maybe IOS would have more sales/market share if Apple allowed other OEMs to sell IOS phones?

 

[Truefan31]

Apple was already considered a prestige brand before 2001 for it's MAC computers. That's way before it was the most valuable brand. It's Apple's early adoption of revolutionizing portable music players and smartphones that took them to the top. The brand was already there before the sales. Before the iPod, many companies have tried to do similar with portable music players, but they didn't have that prestige brand that was known for high quality and ease of use.



With smartphones, Apple was first at correcting everything that was wrong with the existing market and making everyone's jaws drop. Other companies also tried that before, but they didn't get it right and didn't have that prestige brand to garner attention. If you remember the backlash Apple got for introducing something so different, only a company that's considered to be a good brand could deal with that without scrapping it's plans.



Those times have past. Apple has become too mainstream, too normal, and less niche. While I think Apple will never be doomed in our lifetime, this is definitely Apple's gold rush moment which is dependent on iOS devices(mainly iPhones). History will look at this moment as Apple's peak profits until they come up with another gold mine seller.



Apple's iPhone brand is in jeopardy, whether you like it or not.



iPhone's are the majority of Apple's profits. Apple has a strong brand, but the iPhone itself is like a sub brand. Now if the iPhone's brand degrades, then Apple loses profits which in turn degrades their brand as a smartphone manufacturer. This is the inevitable. And with Samsung's aggressiveness towards claiming the top brand of smartphones, it will probably happen sooner than later with Apple's pace at upgrading it's hardware and software.



So basically Apple will either have to "shape up or ship out" when it comes to the iPhone. And I hope they shape up, cause I don't want Android manufacturers to become complacent with upgrades as Apple is. Strong competition is best.

And ad revenue is the majority of profit for Google, as the Samsung mobile division is the majority of profit for Samsung.

Again iPhones brand in jeopardy? Other than your opinion do u have any factual evidence supporting this?

 

[jamezr]

Thank you. And yes, sales is an indicator of success. Like in all business, especially retail, sustained sales and growth is an indicator of success. I'm not even talking about iOS vs android. I've already said Samsung has to fight within other android oems like lg, Sony, htc, oneplus, xiaomi, etc. again how does the s6 being a seemingly great device mean Apple is in jeopardy, when other than feelings and opinions there's no real data to support this.

oh? So now you're back tracking? Did you not mean this then?

Originally Posted by Truefan31
Sales is an indicator of success imo.
If you say Apple isn't competing,

So now sales aren't the measuring stick as you said? If sales are the indicator of success how does that equate to the huge difference in Android to IOS sales and market share? Is iPhone/OS not successful then? Maybe it needs to add more features to compete?

 

[Truefan31]

Galaxy S6

It is fair...Apple put itself in that position by being the only one that can sell phones with IOS. Plus it is the two posters i was replying to who have been saying iPhone/IOS is the best smartphone based on sales. That Apple doesn't have to compete or add features because of its sales. I have shown data that proves otherwise.



The beautiful thing about Android is there are multiple companies that make phones running Android. Different OEMs can add different features thus giving the consumer more choices and a better selection of features. If one company doesn't have the phone with the features the consumer wants/needs then another most likely will.



Apple wants to be the only one to sell phones with IOS......thats is up to them. But samsung , HTC, Lenovo, LG among others sell Android phones. Maybe IOS would have more sales/market share if Apple allowed other OEMs to sell IOS phones?

I never said the iPhone was the best smartphone based on sales. I said sales are an indicator of success. And I didn't say Apple doesn't have to add features.

Yes Apple wants to control iOS. That's their business model. It seems to work based on their financial success. Apple is growing and gaining more profit, something seemingly every company wants to do. You think the s6 lost the sd and the removable battery, and the waterproofing for any other reason than money? It's always about the money.

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oh? So now you're back tracking? Did you not mean this then?







So now sales aren't the measuring stick as you said? If sales are the indicator of success how does that equate to the huge difference in Android to IOS sales and market share? Is iPhone/OS not successful then? Maybe it needs to add more features to compete?

What are you talking about? I've said sales is an indicator of success. Where am I backtracking?

I'm not even talking iOS vs android, is that what you mean?

 

[jamezr]

I never said the iPhone was the best smartphone based on sales. I said sales are an indicator of success. And I didn't say Apple doesn't have to add features.

Yes Apple wants to control iOS. That's their business model. It seems to work based on their financial success. Apple is growing and gaining more profit, something seemingly every company wants to do. You think the s6 lost the sd and the removable battery, and the waterproofing for any other reason than money? It's always about the money.

You have said and alluded to the bolded above.

Originally Posted by Truefan31
Sales is an indicator of success imo.
If you say Apple isn't competing,

Ohhh...so now your changing the topic from sales being the deciding factor to profit....niiiiice. You have been proven wrong again with facts and now you change the topic. Wow.....

 

[I7guy]

oh? So now you're back tracking? Did you not mean this then?



So now sales aren't the measuring stick as you said? If sales are the indicator of success how does that equate to the huge difference in Android to IOS sales and market share? Is iPhone/OS not successful then? Maybe it needs to add more features to compete?

Okay, if that's your view and Apple is doing terribly than how do you explain their market cap? Just based on branding?

 

[epicrayban]

You gotta learn to ignore these two. They offer nothing to the thread or conversation. They do not own or like Android. Heck they are even familiar with the S6 they are commenting on. They constantly come back to sales as their biggest yardstick. They did this in the other thread as well. Gonna email the mods. It almost feels like trolling. They don't like...don't want to own Android.....love everything Apple and iphone yet are here in the Alternative threads to negative comments on things they obviously do not like.

Nailed it.

It's ironic they label us as the ones who only want to compare a feature to feature list. We're actually not comparing lists at all.

We are actual owners of both devices and have actual real world usage of these features. We're putting them to practice, to use, and are able to compare real world experieces of both devices to inform our discussions here.

So if anything, they're the ones looking at lists of features. They don't know or own the devices. And not only do they come here to assert their positions of ignorance and inexperience, but worse, they actually laugh at the credibility of those who have had actual experience with the devices!

It's astoshing and it absolutely fits the bill of trolling. If I rolled up into a thread discussing a device I don't own and acted this way, I'd be rightly labeled a troll.

These are people who have professed they don't own the devices, are people who professed they don't like android, and are people who professed they're perfectly happy with their current iPhones. But they get away with this sort of behavior because they're "interested in discussion." Right.

What can ya do.

 

[jamezr]

Okay, if that's your view and Apple is doing terribly than how do you explain their market cap? Just based on branding?

There you are....now you're going to change your focus now! First it was sales sales sales. iPhone sells more than any single phone so they must be doing something right. Now with data to show the iPhone/IOS lags far behind in sales you change to profits as the big factor.
You were proven wrong as Apple/IOS is so far behind is sales and market share....so now you change the focus to profit! WOW...backtrack much?

 

[epicrayban]

Talk about moving the goal posts by those two...

Good work, Jamerz.

However, I will say... even if their point is Apple is a successful company, well, okay then! No one would argue that. No one in their right minds would argue against the position that Apple is a successful company.

Apple is very successful. Are we happy now? That was never in contention. Can we move on, then?

That's not the point in our latest discussions (now spanning two threads). Maybe now they can begin to see why every time they bring up profits, or sales, or record breaking numbers, or the millions of users... none of that has anything to do with a discussion about how and what Apple can do to compete in terms of hardware/software features in the face of rising competition, namely spearheaded by Samsung.

Maybe now we can finally get somewhere.

 

[Truefan31]

You have said and alluded to the bolded above.





Ohhh...so now your changing the topic from sales being the deciding factor to profit....niiiiice. You have been proven wrong again with facts and now you change the topic. Wow.....

I'm not backtracking on anything. I've always said sales is an indicator of success. Where did I say sales is the end all be all?

So the iPhone against all android oems is your argument for Apple being in jeopardy? Lol that's weak and you know it. Even other posters know that's not a fair assessment.

 

[skratch77]

Um samsung out sold apple.it is the record holder in SALES it sold over 300 million cell phones last year.

You guys have sales and margins mixed up.samsung out sells apple with ease.

 

[jamezr]

Galaxy S6

I'm not backtracking on anything. I've always said sales is an indicator of success. Where did I say sales is the end all be all?

So the iPhone against all android oems is your argument for Apple being in jeopardy? Lol that's weak and you know it. Even other posters know that's not a fair assessment.

There you go again. Making false statements. NEVER once did I say Apple was jeopardy!!! So show me where I said that. Don't just make stuff up so you can continue to backtrack and change your tune.

The iPhone/IOS is against all Android OEMs because Apple chooses to make it that way. They could license IOS.