Galaxy S6

[mclld]

I thought the s6 was selling good, this guy is making it sound bad
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/20/samsung-galaxy-s6-bad-sales/

 

[tbayrgs]

I thought the s6 was selling good, this guy is making it sound bad
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/20/samsung-galaxy-s6-bad-sales/

I take all of these speculative sales figures with a grain of salt. Let's see how things stand in a few more months. I find it hard to believe as well considering the buzz surrounding the S6 variants seems far better than what occurred last year for the S5.

 

[spriter]

Interesting reading and wouldn't surprise me if it's close to the truth. S6 clearly evolved to go head-to-head with iPhone but Samsung don't have the brand power.

Apple's China results were big and no doubt took Samsung customers as well as new smartphone buyers. And then there are the lower-priced premium options (Oppo, Xiaomi, et al.).

And have smartphone markets started to saturate? Are current owners less-inclined to upgrade every year? Are they getting pincered by Apple at the top and near cost-price new entrants?

Personally I think the S6 is great, more than the Edge. I don't miss the SD card or removable cover. But then I'm just one buyer. If it is true, where do Samsung go next?

 

[FFR]

I take all of these speculative sales figures with a grain of salt. Let's see how things stand in a few more months. I find it hard to believe as well considering the buzz surrounding the S6 variants seems far better than what occurred last year for the S5.

The buzz could have been bought by samsung marketing department.

I believe the report to be true.
The s6 could be a worse flop than the s5.

 

[gotluck]

thats a pretty wild report, trying to blame apparent slow S6 sales on edge shortages? There's no way edge sales could make up for it I would wager if this is true. The article doesnt seem to talk about the edge at all.

Hopefully this persuades them to somehow engineer metal body with removable battery and sd card I jest, but not really

 

[tbayrgs]

Interesting reading and wouldn't surprise me if it's close to the truth. S6 clearly evolved to go head-to-head with iPhone but Samsung don't have the brand power.

Apple's China results were big and no doubt took Samsung customers as well as new smartphone buyers. And then there are the lower-priced premium options (Oppo, Xiaomi, et al.).

And have smartphone markets started to saturate? Are current owners less-inclined to upgrade every year? Are they getting pincered by Apple at the top and near cost-price new entrants?

Personally I think the S6 is great, more than the Edge. I don't miss the SD card or removable cover. But then I'm just one buyer. If it is true, where do Samsung go next?

That's actually a really good point--I hadn't really considered 'what if these sales numbers are true?' Save for the software experience that seems to both only some of us nitpickers here on tech forums, Samsung seemed to address a few of the biggest cries for change in their devices. Even to someone whose not a big Samsung fan like myself, the latest Galaxy interactions are pretty damn nice looking and significant improvements over some of their past efforts. Both the display and the camera (save for the specialty devices) are likely the best found on a smartphone presently. If these aren't enough to significantly sway customers, what is?

And that's not to say 10 million devices sold in a month is bad as it's clearly not--all other OEM's except Apple would sell their souls for those numbers. But it would be perpetuation of a trend that analysts, and more importantly, investors and shareholders aren't going to be pleased about.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

S6 clearly evolved to go head-to-head with iPhone but Samsung don't have the brand power.

Samsung is chipping away at Apple's brand power(for lack of better term). The Galaxy models have slowly become the second most known smartphone lines in the market. I think if Samsung keeps on with their aggressive upgrades, they will eventual release that one specific model that makes the iPhone the 2nd choice among the mass consumer. Of course time itself plays a part. Every line/model eventually gets old until it's reinvented.

The huge question is what will Apple do to prevent something like that from happening?

 

[maka344]

Samsung is chipping away at Apple's brand power(for lack of better term). The Galaxy models have slowly become the second most known smartphone lines in the market. I think if Samsung keeps on with their aggressive upgrades, they will eventual release that one specific model that makes the iPhone the 2nd choice among the mass consumer. Of course time itself plays a part. Every line/model eventually gets old until it's reinvented.

The huge question is what will Apple do to prevent something like that from happening?

All Apple need to do is increase their specs slightly from the start and allow some stuff that you can do with a JB and its game over. But they'll save that stuff until the end, when Samsung do release that one killer device. iOS is plain old boring. It's good but man it's boring as hell.

 

[jamezr]

Samsung is chipping away at Apple's brand power(for lack of better term). The Galaxy models have slowly become the second most known smartphone lines in the market. I think if Samsung keeps on with their aggressive upgrades, they will eventual release that one specific model that makes the iPhone the 2nd choice among the mass consumer. Of course time itself plays a part. Every line/model eventually gets old until it's reinvented.

The huge question is what will Apple do to prevent something like that from happening?

Great points and I agree with you. Lets see what happens with the Note 5 later this year. Samsung can't afford to divide its customer base by removing the SD card and removable battery from the Note line.
But a great solution would be to build a model with SD card and removable battery and one model without. Let sales be the deciding factor going forward. Here is what I would like to see. Note 5 Edge with dual curved unibody design like the S6 edge only with S-Pen. Then 2 Note 5 regular models. One model with unibody design and another model with removable back and SD card and removable battery. Let sales of the 2 models sort itself out.

 

[Truefan31]

Galaxy S6

Samsung is chipping away at Apple's brand power(for lack of better term). The Galaxy models have slowly become the second most known smartphone lines in the market. I think if Samsung keeps on with their aggressive upgrades, they will eventual release that one specific model that makes the iPhone the 2nd choice among the mass consumer. Of course time itself plays a part. Every line/model eventually gets old until it's reinvented.



The huge question is what will Apple do to prevent something like that from happening?

Isn't Samsung galaxy already the 2nd most known line? I'm trying to see how Samsung is chipping away? Where's the evidence? You're saying in the one month the s6 has been out it's reduced apples brand power? I don't read or see it.

I understand you have a feeling but again there's more evidence that Apple is succeeding, even in a somewhat saturated market. Samsung has lots of competitors chipping away not named Apple. One plus, Sony, lg, xiaomi all android oems.

The s6 looks to be a great device. But that doesn't mean Apple is suffering.

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I thought the s6 was selling good, this guy is making it sound bad
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/20/samsung-galaxy-s6-bad-sales/

Again I'm trying to be objective here, I've read the s6 has shipped 10 million in the first month in 20 countries, while the s5 shipped 11 million in like over 100 countries. So I'd believe the s6 is selling better than the s5.

 

[tbayrgs]

Isn't Samsung galaxy already the 2nd most known line? I'm trying to see how Samsung is chipping away? Where's the evidence? You're saying in the one month the s6 has been out it's reduced apples brand power? I don't read or see it.

I understand you have a feeling but again there's more evidence that Apple is succeeding, even in a somewhat saturated market. Samsung has lots of competitors chipping away not named Apple. One plus, Sony, lg, xiaomi all android oems.

The s6 looks to be a great device. But that doesn't mean Apple is suffering.

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Again I'm trying to be objective here, I've read the s6 has shipped 10 million in the first month in 20 countries, while the s5 shipped 11 million in like over 100 countries. So I'd believe the s6 is selling better than the s5.

Yeah, not sure what he's basing it on since at least to my casual observation, the Galaxy line seemed to have peaked at the S4, at least concerning sales performance vs. the iPhone---that was 2 years ago.

I also doubt the validity of the linked article's claims but regardless, Apple just had the most successful launch of their iPhones ever. We'll have to wait a while to be able to compare sales numbers but Samsung is going to have to have a pretty remarkable quarter to be able to keep pace.

Regardless of whether or not we see the newest Galaxy releases as significant improvements over last year's model, if the public doesn't buy them in droves at the same pace as the iPhone, it's actually evidence to the contrary of what LIVERMNYC postulated.

And I'll ask again, stealing a boxing adjective--if 2 devices considered by many to be 'pound for pound' the best smart phones on the market now aren't enough to close the gap, much less pull away from the iPhone, what does Samsung have to do to reverse that trend?

 

[Truefan31]

Yeah, not sure what he's basing it on since at least to my casual observation, the Galaxy line seemed to have peaked at the S4, at least concerning sales performance vs. the iPhone---that was 2 years ago.



I also doubt the validity of the linked article's claims but regardless, Apple just had the most successful launch of their iPhones ever. We'll have to wait a while to be able to compare sales numbers but Samsung is going to have to have a pretty remarkable quarter to be able to keep pace.



Regardless of whether or not we see the newest Galaxy releases as significant improvements over last year's model, if the public doesn't buy them in droves at the same pace as the iPhone, it's actually evidence to the contrary of what LIVERMNYC postulated.



And I'll ask again, stealing a boxing adjective--if 2 devices considered by many to be 'pound for pound' the best smart phones on the market now aren't enough to close the gap, much less pull away from the iPhone, what does Samsung have to do to reverse that trend?

I think that's a fair question. Again the s6 looks to be a great device. But there's no evidence showing its stopping apple. Samsung has other android oems to compete with as well.

The article said Samsung expected 70 million by eoy? If these numbers are true it'd be hard for them to get there.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Isn't Samsung galaxy already the 2nd most known line? I'm trying to see how Samsung is chipping away? Where's the evidence? You're saying in the one month the s6 has been out it's reduced apples brand power? I don't read or see it.

I understand you have a feeling but again there's more evidence that Apple is succeeding, even in a somewhat saturated market. Samsung has lots of competitors chipping away not named Apple. One plus, Sony, lg, xiaomi all android oems.

The s6 looks to be a great device. But that doesn't mean Apple is suffering.

Again I'm trying to be objective here, I've read the s6 has shipped 10 million in the first month in 20 countries, while the s5 shipped 11 million in like over 100 countries. So I'd believe the s6 is selling better than the s5.

Original Sentence.......
Samsung is chipping away at Apple's brand power.

What you interpreted as........
Samsung is chipping away at sales.


I'm not talking about sales, I'm talking about what eventually leads to the rise or decline of sales. If the iPhone brand of Apple doesn't stay synonymous with being the absolute best, it simply can't play at it's own pace anymore without eventually losing mass sales.

Blackberry had the same prestige in it's smartphone brand, but that went away in a matter of a several years when BB didn't feel like playing catch up. What makes it even more dangerous for Apple is they are not just a smartphone company. This means if the iPhone brand becomes degraded, Apple fans still have Macs, iPads, and etc. Hardcore Apple fans will not feel they are leaving Apple. I already know some people who have Apple everything, but gave up the iPhone for other brand. Nobody is going to feel compelled to iPhone loyalty.

Again, it only takes that one model, as proven by the iPhone itself. And with Samsung's aggressiveness at model upgrades, there is a good chance it could happen.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Great points and I agree with you. Lets see what happens with the Note 5 later this year. Samsung can't afford to divide its customer base by removing the SD card and removable battery from the Note line.
But a great solution would be to build a model with SD card and removable battery and one model without. Let sales be the deciding factor going forward. Here is what I would like to see. Note 5 Edge with dual curved unibody design like the S6 edge only with S-Pen. Then 2 Note 5 regular models. One model with unibody design and another model with removable back and SD card and removable battery. Let sales of the 2 models sort itself out.

If Samsung screws up the Note 5, they will set themselves a good distance back in their Galaxy brand.

I honestly don't know how necessary the SD slot factor will be. But if they exclude it like the S6, they should be smart and make the 64gb the standard and keep it at a 32gb price range.

 

[I7guy]

Original Sentence.......
Samsung is chipping away at Apple's brand power.

What you interpreted as........
Samsung is chipping away at sales.


I'm not talking about sales, I'm talking about what eventually leads to the rise or decline of sales. If the iPhone brand of Apple doesn't stay synonymous with being the absolute best, it simply can't play at it's own pace anymore without eventually losing mass sales.

Blackberry had the same prestige in it's smartphone brand, but that went away in a matter of a several years when BB didn't feel like playing catch up. What makes it even more dangerous for Apple is they are not just a smartphone company. This means if the iPhone brand becomes degraded, Apple fans still have Macs, iPads, and etc. Hardcore Apple fans will not feel they are leaving Apple. I already know some people who have Apple everything, but gave up the iPhone for other brand. Nobody is going to feel compelled to iPhone loyalty.

Again, it only takes that one model, as proven by the iPhone itself. And with Samsung's aggressiveness at model upgrades, there is a good chance it could happen.

Having something happen is very different than saying it could happen. Given BB was a brand to be recognized and now it's all but defunct and apple was almost defunct and now it's a powerhouse; sure anything can happen. Never say never.

Of course the opposite can be true as well.. Apple could release some powerhouse of a phone and Samsung could be a distant second.

 

[epicrayban]

Original Sentence.......
Samsung is chipping away at Apple's brand power.

What you interpreted as........
Samsung is chipping away at sales.

Must be your first time talking to these guys.

 

[I7guy]

Must be your first time talking to these guys.

Hmm. you guys think you have home turf advantage.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Having something happen is very different than saying it could happen. Given BB was a brand to be recognized and now it's all but defunct and apple was almost defunct and now it's a powerhouse; sure anything can happen. Never say never.

Of course the opposite can be true as well.. Apple could release some powerhouse of a phone and Samsung could be a distant second.

That's true. But the recent history and present day patterns leave my opinions to suggest that Apple has to eventually go against it's own grain, sooner than later.

 

[Truefan31]

Original Sentence.......

Samsung is chipping away at Apple's brand power.



What you interpreted as........

Samsung is chipping away at sales.





I'm not talking about sales, I'm talking about what eventually leads to the rise or decline of sales. If the iPhone brand of Apple doesn't stay synonymous with being the absolute best, it simply can't play at it's own pace anymore without eventually losing mass sales.



Blackberry had the same prestige in it's smartphone brand, but that went away in a matter of a several years when BB didn't feel like playing catch up. What makes it even more dangerous for Apple is they are not just a smartphone company. This means if the iPhone brand becomes degraded, Apple fans still have Macs, iPads, and etc. Hardcore Apple fans will not feel they are leaving Apple. I already know some people who have Apple everything, but gave up the iPhone for other brand. Nobody is going to feel compelled to iPhone loyalty.



Again, it only takes that one model, as proven by the iPhone itself. And with Samsung's aggressiveness at model upgrades, there is a good chance it could happen.

So again, what evidence is there that Samsung is chipping away at apples brand power?

 

[I7guy]

So again, what evidence is there that Samsung is chipping away at apples brand power?

There isn't. Btw "chipping away at brand power" equals "chipping away at sales". Say what you mean should be a mantra around here.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

So again, what evidence is there that Samsung is chipping away at apples brand power?

The fact that almost every media outlet from TV, Mags, Blogs, and etc, basically stated the iPhone is matched or surpassed by the S6/S6 Edge.

The fact the the S6 was the most anticipated non iPhone and didn't disappoint.

The fact that the Note 5 is the most anticipated upcoming non iPhone.

The fact the Galaxy phones become more popular every year.

The fact that every year Samsung continues to be aggressive with it's latest models.

The iPhone isn't lonely on a pedestal anymore. That's just the reality of today. It's brand momentum will be slowing down if Apple keeps up it's same upgrade routine.

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There isn't. Btw "chipping away at brand power" equals "chipping away at sales". Say what you mean should be a mantra around here.

No it doesn't. You don't seem to grasp cause and effect.

 

[Truefan31]

The fact that almost every media outlet from TV, Mags, Blogs, and etc, basically stated the iPhone is matched or surpassed by the S6/S6 Edge.



The fact the the S6 was the most anticipated non iPhone and didn't disappoint.



The fact that the Note 5 is the most anticipated upcoming non iPhone.



The fact the Galaxy phones become more popular every year.



The fact that every year Samsung continues to be aggressive with it's latest models.



The iPhone isn't lonely on a pedestal anymore. That's just the reality of today. It's brand momentum will be slowing down if Apple keeps up it's same upgrade routine.

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No it doesn't. You don't seem to grasp cause and effect.

Non of those were facts. What data is there showing Apple is losing its brand power? If u don't measure by sales even though the s5 was a disappointment which caused Samsung to revamp, then what are u measuring?

If Samsung projected to sell 70 million by the eoy and don't get there, I don't see that chipping away at apples brand power

 

[jamezr]

The fact that almost every media outlet from TV, Mags, Blogs, and etc, basically stated the iPhone is matched or surpassed by the S6/S6 Edge.

The fact the the S6 was the most anticipated non iPhone and didn't disappoint.

The fact that the Note 5 is the most anticipated upcoming non iPhone.

The fact the Galaxy phones become more popular every year.

The fact that every year Samsung continues to be aggressive with it's latest models.

The iPhone isn't lonely on a pedestal anymore. That's just the reality of today. It's brand momentum will be slowing down if Apple keeps up it's same upgrade routine.

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No it doesn't. You don't seem to grasp cause and effect.

You gotta learn to ignore these two. They offer nothing to the thread or conversation. They do not own or like Android. Heck they are even familiar with the S6 they are commenting on. They constantly come back to sales as their biggest yardstick. They did this in the other thread as well. Gonna email the mods. It almost feels like trolling. They don't like...don't want to own Android.....love everything Apple and iphone yet are here in the Alternative threads to negative comments on things they obviously do not like.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Non of those were facts. What data is there showing Apple is losing its brand power? If u don't measure by sales even though the s5 was a disappointment which caused Samsung to revamp, then what are u measuring?

If Samsung projected to sell 70 million by the eoy and don't get there, I don't see that chipping away at apples brand power

Sales is not the cause of brand power, it's just one the many effects.

Apple can't rely on brand power alone, nor can they rely on their upgrade pace without the brand power. Take away the brand power of the iPhone and they will have to compete in the same aggressive manner as Samsung in order to keep the iPhone synonymous with being the premier smartphone.

Present and historical sales does not matter. Plenty of companies out sold the competition only to have the opposite happen several years later. Again, Blackberry is a good example. Telling someone at 2009 that Palm wouldn't be selling phones in the near future, they would laugh at you. And of course Apple has a history of repeating itself until it reinvents itself again.

To directly answer your question. Brand power is measured by the competition. Like I previous stated, the iPhone is no longer lonely at the pedestal. Today's sales mean nothing if tomorrow's products are too competitive.

 

[I7guy]

Sales is not the cause of brand power, it's just one the many effects.

Apple can't rely on brand power alone, nor can they rely on their upgrade pace without the brand power. Take away the brand power of the iPhone and they will have to compete in the same aggressive manner as Samsung in order to keep the iPhone synonymous with being the premier smartphone.

Present and historical sales does not matter. Plenty of companies out sold the competition only to have the opposite happen several years later. Again, Blackberry is a good example. Telling someone at 2009 that Palm wouldn't be selling phones in the near future, they would laugh at you. And of course Apple has a history of repeating itself until it reinvents itself again.

To directly answer your question. Brand power is measured by the competition. Like I previous stated, the iPhone is no longer lonely at the pedestal. Today's sales mean nothing if tomorrow's products are too competitive.

Brand power is measured by financial performance, which is based on financial performance which is dependent on sales. There is enough on the Internet to validate that statement. Apple at this point is the most valuable brand in the world.