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... I'm envisioning a bigger battery as well. Look at the new A5, a phone which packs a 2900mAh battery into a body 5.2-inch screen and a slim build. And looking at the leaked renders, the S7 looks a bit hefty, meaning we could see a battery as big as 3300mAh...

For an even better point of reference, I would say look at the S6 Active, it's got a 3500mAh battery. I'm going with the next galaxy flagships being 3500mAh and the plus versions (and Note line) having 4000mAh like the new Galaxy A9.
 

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For an even better point of reference, I would say look at the S6 Active, it's got a 3500mAh battery. I'm going with the next galaxy flagships being 3500mAh and the plus versions (and Note line) having 4000mAh like the new Galaxy A9.
I sure hope that plays out to be true. I always wondered why the active had a bigger battery than the original versions.
I would love to have a Note 6 Active with a 4000mah battery!
 
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For an even better point of reference, I would say look at the S6 Active, it's got a 3500mAh battery. I'm going with the next galaxy flagships being 3500mAh and the plus versions (and Note line) having 4000mAh like the new Galaxy A9.

That's a good point. The S6 Active was only 8.6mm thick anyway, and actually the same weight as the normal S6! If that can have a huge battery, so can the S7.
My prediction is 3300mAh for the normal S7 and S7 Edge, and 4100mAh for the + variants. I remember the Note 5 was originally rumoured to have that size battery. Maybe we'll finally see it in 2016.
 
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Am I the only one that doubts all these rumours about 3d touch?

Android devs won't support it, don't see why Samsung would bring something like that to only work with a few Samsung apps.
 

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Am I the only one that doubts all these rumours about 3d touch?

Android devs won't support it, don't see why Samsung would bring something like that to only work with a few Samsung apps.

I mentioned that earlier. It's not just the S7, but it's said that 25% of 2016's flagships will get pressure-sensitive screens, including the Xperia Z6. Third-party support won't come until Android N, which won't come to mainstream phones until 2017. So yeah, it's just going to be used for general navigation features in 2016.
But still, I don't doubt it. Remember when the S5 had a fingerprint scanner just like the 6-month old 5S, but they couldn't get a proper provider, so they ended up just using a flimsy swipe based scanner? The lesson we learn from that is that Samsung don't care if they're not ready, just so long as they have a rival to Apple's never-before-seen features on their phones.
 

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I mentioned that earlier. It's not just the S7, but it's said that 25% of 2016's flagships will get pressure-sensitive screens, including the Xperia Z6. Third-party support won't come until Android N, which won't come to mainstream phones until 2017. So yeah, it's just going to be used for general navigation features in 2016.
But still, I don't doubt it. Remember when the S5 had a fingerprint scanner just like the 6-month old 5S, but they couldn't get a proper provider, so they ended up just using a flimsy swipe based scanner? The lesson we learn from that is that Samsung don't care if they're not ready, just so long as they have a rival to Apple's never-before-seen features on their phones.
I remember the fingerprint scanner on the S5 was horrible. I sure hope they don't rush to get 3DT features in the S7 or N6. I don't even like it on my 6s+
 

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I remember the fingerprint scanner on the S5 was horrible. I sure hope they don't rush to get 3DT features in the S7 or N6. I don't even like it on my 6s+

I'm personally waiting for a company to come up with a killer use for it. Apple has the technology for it, but I feel there is some missed potential. I personally don't know what particularly they can do, but I'm no software designer. But for the moment, the uses for the Force Touch technology just aren't there. Yet.
 
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I mentioned that earlier. It's not just the S7, but it's said that 25% of 2016's flagships will get pressure-sensitive screens, including the Xperia Z6. Third-party support won't come until Android N, which won't come to mainstream phones until 2017. So yeah, it's just going to be used for general navigation features in 2016.
But still, I don't doubt it. Remember when the S5 had a fingerprint scanner just like the 6-month old 5S, but they couldn't get a proper provider, so they ended up just using a flimsy swipe based scanner? The lesson we learn from that is that Samsung don't care if they're not ready, just so long as they have a rival to Apple's never-before-seen features on their phones.
I guess. I just don't see it taking off in 3rd party apps compared to how they would on iOS.
It is a nice or non gimmicky feature imo, however I don't think it would be useful for me. I can see how others might find it useful though.

I wonder how much more will it be to replace a screen with 3d touch.
 

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Unless the GS7/GS7E/GS7E+ include these "features" or "edits," then I can see it struggling again: cleaner software, meaning less aggressive RAM management and less lag, bigger battery capacity to offset the QHD screen, faster updates, SD slot, a faster fingerprint scanner, and quicker bug fixes. I want to read reviews before I give up a Nexus 6P or iPhone 6S+ to move.
 

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I guess. I just don't see it taking off in 3rd party apps compared to how they would on iOS.
It is a nice or non gimmicky feature imo, however I don't think it would be useful for me. I can see how others might find it useful though.

I wonder how much more will it be to replace a screen with 3d touch.
Force Touch hasn't taken off on iOS either. Last I read, 3rd party app devs for the most part do the very bare minimum requirements to make the claim that their app is "Force Touch" enabled.

Could it be useful??? Maybe. Better to have than not have I suppose. But same could be said for what Samsung did a few years back with 'hover" on the Note series phones. Did the same thing as Force Touch (albeit without touching the phone) and that was called gimmicky.
 

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Force Touch hasn't taken off on iOS either. Last I read, 3rd party app devs for the most part do the very bare minimum requirements to make the claim that their app is "Force Touch" enabled.

Could it be useful??? Maybe. Better to have than not have I suppose. But same could be said for what Samsung did a few years back with 'hover" on the Note series phones. Did the same thing as Force Touch (albeit without touching the phone) and that was called gimmicky.

It is still a gimmick on the iPhone. People aren't so keen to state that Apple is filled with gimmicky features because the logo has such a strong following. It isn't that killer feature that the "S" line was once known for. Instead, it's a beta test with app devs needed. It is decent for an idea, but execution is remained to be seen. If Samsung copies the idea, it would make getting Android updates a bigger pain in the ass.
 

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Well if force touch does come to a major flagship android device it may be to the betterment of iOS users too.

Developers may actually start enhancing their apps in more ways if the incentive, in this instance greater number of devices support the feature, increases.

We may finally see a raft of 3rd party apps support it which as I say is good for everyone regardless of platform.

As for Samsung in 2016 I am conflicted as to whether I'll bother this coming year. Mostly down to the two factors - a) resale value -prices really dropped this year to the point where someone who buys a lot of phones - I lost a significantly higher amount with Samsung this year. With android I can't see the situation changing as there is too much competition in the market. And. b) the horrendous after care support this year which took all the joy out of their products for me.

Those are things I don't see changing even if the hardware is great and to me they are as important factors as great hardware. We shall see.
 
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Samsung stuff really tanks within a matter of weeks. Unless the S7 is somehow outstandingly better than the S6, which I can't see after the big redesign last year, I will pass. Or at least wait a few months and save a few hundred notes.

This year's Exynos was so far ahead that the S6/Note5 models will perform very well long into next year and beyond. They need to focus on the software and it looks like they're doing that. Obviously that itself might hinder S7 sales

If 3D touch does come then they'd do well not to fall into the trap Apple devs did: they're hamstrung by the popularity and userbase of the 5s and 6, as well as the iPad Airs and even the new Pro. Devs have to fudge a few actions on to say its enhanced by 3D touch. Reality is the core functions must be the traditional way or they risk alienating millions of non-6s owners and thus killing their own sales.

As much as I like it as an interface and see the potential, unless the hardware is rolling out or already being used, it's a tough sell to app devs. Apple set a bad example by not having it on the iPad Pro.
 
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Samsung stuff really tanks within a matter of weeks. Unless the S7 is somehow outstandingly better than the S6, which I can't see after the big redesign last year, I will pass. Or at least wait a few months and save a few hundred notes.

This year's Exynos was so far ahead that the S6/Note5 models will perform very well long into next year and beyond. They need to focus on the software and it looks like they're doing that. Obviously that itself might hinder S7 sales

If 3D touch does come then they'd do well not to fall into the trap Apple devs did: they're hamstrung by the popularity and userbase of the 5s and 6, as well as the iPad Airs and even the new Pro. Devs have to fudge a few actions on to say its enhanced by 3D touch. Reality is the core functions must be the traditional way or they risk alienating millions of non-6s owners and thus killing their own sales.

As much as I like it as an interface and see the potential, unless the hardware is rolling out or already being used, it's a tough sell to app devs. Apple set a bad example by not having it on the iPad Pro.

Samsung always throw their previous devices under the bus when the new one comes out so I don't think there will be any danger of them doing this. It would be cool of Samsung really innovated again. Samsung were the best at this. They have lost their way over the past 18 months.
 

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I think the s7 will shape up to be the perfect s6, if you know what I mean. It'll be very much like the S generation of the iPhone. For the first time, there is no redesign of a new galaxy s device or the changes are so minimal it almost doesn't count (like the iPhone 6 to 6s getting slightly thicker).

Essentially, it'll be the s6 perfected if all things hold true.

I also think they can't afford to "fall behind" in the tech race and not have some form of 3d touch. At least that's how Samsung will see it. I'd be shocked but impressed if they resist 3d touch.

And I too will definitely wait till the price drops after a few months.
 
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I also think they can't afford to "fall behind" in the tech race and not have some form of 3d touch. At least that's how Samsung will see it. I'd be shocked but impressed if they resist 3d touch.

Absolutely agree. Even in infancy in terms of utility, from a purely marketing perspective they have to be able to at least match what the iPhone offers or risk being left unable to counter 'well the iPhone does it...'.
 
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I wouldn't call implementing a version of 3D Touch copying. Is this not Synaptics bringing this feature to all android devices? I don't think this is a Samsung matching Apple thing. Synaptics had this in the works for some time; is this not their business? Everything touch? They are the ones behind letting certain devices use gloves of any kind to operate the phone. And I believe we may see more use out of it on Android. For instance, the fingerprint reader on Samsung devices let's you log into websites using the stock browser. Very useful. NFC has more uses on Android as well. So anytime a new feature comes to smartphones, it seems to have more use cases on Android. Synaptics announced this in October, iPhone 6S was announced in September. Don't think you can copy this tech in a month.
 
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I wouldn't call implementing a version of 3D Touch copying. Is this not Synaptics bringing this feature to all android devices? I don't think this is a Samsung matching Apple thing. Synaptics had this in the works for some time; is this not their business? Everything touch? They are the ones behind letting certain devices use gloves of any kind to operate the phone. And I believe we may see more use out of it on Android. For instance, the fingerprint reader on Samsung devices let's you log into websites using the stock browser. Very useful. NFC has more uses on Android as well. So anytime a new feature comes to smartphones, it seems to have more use cases on Android. Synaptics announced this in October, iPhone 6S was announced in September. Don't think you can copy this tech in a month.

That's fine and all, but Samsung should've been investing in the tech prior then. Apple announces stuff frequently and then Samsung follows suit. Where was Samsung when the Atrix had a fingerprint scanner? Until Apple's Touch ID, they laughed at the company that helped designed Nexus Imprint for Google, which happens to be the best mainstream fingerprint scanner on the market. Samsung's GS6 design has a similar speaker placement to the iPhone 6. We cannot sugar coat Samsung. But we cannot also say that Samsung copies Apple everywhere. Have to be balanced and objective.
 

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That's fine and all, but Samsung should've been investing in the tech prior then. Apple announces stuff frequently and then Samsung follows suit. Where was Samsung when the Atrix had a fingerprint scanner? Until Apple's Touch ID, they laughed at the company that helped designed Nexus Imprint for Google, which happens to be the best mainstream fingerprint scanner on the market. Samsung's GS6 design has a similar speaker placement to the iPhone 6. We cannot sugar coat Samsung. But we cannot also say that Samsung copies Apple everywhere. Have to be balanced and objective.

Nah, just another day in the tech world. You've taken a few liberties in your post, but like I said, just another day in the tech wold.
 

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That's fine and all, but Samsung should've been investing in the tech prior then. Apple announces stuff frequently and then Samsung follows suit. Where was Samsung when the Atrix had a fingerprint scanner? Until Apple's Touch ID, they laughed at the company that helped designed Nexus Imprint for Google, which happens to be the best mainstream fingerprint scanner on the market. Samsung's GS6 design has a similar speaker placement to the iPhone 6. We cannot sugar coat Samsung. But we cannot also say that Samsung copies Apple everywhere. Have to be balanced and objective.
I do think that Samsung have lost their way and are not innovating anymore and now are simply reacting to what Apple are doing. However I think some of these things Apple have done recently, Samsung kind of had a related idea but never developed it. Touch ID I see as a smarter and more secure way to unlock your device. Samsung had face unlock in 2012. They never developed it and it was buggy but they had the idea. 3D Touch uses haptic feedback which Samsung have had for a long time, they just never bothered to develop it or make it more advanced. Samsung need to start innovating again instead of waiting to see what Apple do and copying it.
 
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I do think that Samsung have lost their way and are not innovating anymore and now are simply reacting to what Apple are doing. However I think some of these things Apple have done recently, Samsung kind of had a related idea but never developed it. Touch ID I see as a smarter and more secure way to unlock your device. Samsung had face unlock in 2012. They never developed it and it was buggy but they had the idea. 3D Touch uses haptic feedback which Samsung have had for a long time, they just never bothered to develop it or make it more advanced. Samsung need to start innovating again instead of waiting to see what Apple do and copying it.


Samsung is just riding the competition wave for now. I think they are more focused on the next gen technologies, like folding displays.
 

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I disagree with the point on capacitive buttons. I dislike software buttons. I like to have as information as possible on the screen, and not having clunk on the sides is part of that. Putting buttons on otherwise unused parts of the bezel is perfect, especially since you don't need much bezel space for them. Plus, the front is the best position for a fingerprint scanner.
We have Samsung and OnePlus using capacitive buttons, and looking at the A9 and X9, it looks as if HTC are bringing them back. Too these companies I say, make an option for software buttons like OnePlus are doing if need be, just please don't get rid of them! It's one of the reasons I'm using a Samsung phone.
 

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I do think that Samsung have lost their way and are not innovating anymore and now are simply reacting to what Apple are doing. However I think some of these things Apple have done recently, Samsung kind of had a related idea but never developed it. Touch ID I see as a smarter and more secure way to unlock your device. Samsung had face unlock in 2012. They never developed it and it was buggy but they had the idea. 3D Touch uses haptic feedback which Samsung have had for a long time, they just never bothered to develop it or make it more advanced. Samsung need to start innovating again instead of waiting to see what Apple do and copying it.

Wait till Huawei creeps on their doorstep in a year or two. The Nexus 6P is significantly cheaper than the Note 5, while having better performance too. People aren't biting on Apple and Samsung if there are better and cheaper options out there.
 

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Wait till Huawei creeps on their doorstep in a year or two. The Nexus 6P is significantly cheaper than the Note 5, while having better performance too. People aren't biting on Apple and Samsung if there are better and cheaper options out there.
I had both devices the 6P and the Note 5. I don't see where the 6P out performs the N5 in anyway. I found it to be the opposite. The N5 has as good or better battery life than the 6P even with a smaller battery. Performance is subjective but in my experience he N5 outperformed the 6P. Then TW love or hate it but it offers more features than stock does.
 
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