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nviz22

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As terrible as the iPhone 6 and iPad Air (and all previous iOS devices with 1gb of RAM) were with refreshing everything from long webpages with lots of graphics to just a couple apps being open, how the hell did you get anything done?
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This has been posted everywhere with very little thought put into it.
First, this def won't effect Verizon (all GSM phones going to Verizon legally have to be unlocked thanks to the FCC mandate),/it won't effect T-Mobile, since all TMo phones can be unlocked after 30 days, it won't effect international variants, or phones sold through Samsung or retailers.
So who does it effect in reality? ATT? Sprint? Rogers? Who else?

Seems pretty minor once you really look into it.

I see it as a PSA if anything. I am not concerned w/ TMO because I get my unlock code after a period of time. I bought an unlocked iPhone 6S Plus, so never bothered w/ T-Mobile.
 

Blaze4G

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Ok - Edge vs iPhone 6S Plus. Same display size correct?

Also, you're right about the AE/AF box, however it can be manually adjusted as well. I plan on doing some testing and will readily admit I don't see it being enough to close the gap on the 6S. But I've seen some damn amazing low-light photos taken from a 6S Plus.

Good on Samsung to put the same camera in both models. I do wish the 6S would have OIS. We'll see what the 7 and 7 Plus bring. I love the staggered releases because we're always comparing a company's brand new devices against competition's which are 6+ months old.

I really can't wait to get my hands on an S7. It's really a nice looking smartphone.
Woops forgot about the edge model. Im my mind the really competitor for the 6s plus is the note. However, you're right, the s7 edge should be compared with the 6s plus.

I haven't tested a 6s plus in low light. However I have tried the 6s and it's not good at all. Most times it seems like a black and white pic with the 6s in my experience. I wonder how G5 does in low light. The G4 was the best in low light for 2015 IMO.

I hate the staggered release. Would love if Samsung and Apple released new phones as the same time so there isn't any excuses from either parties.
 

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http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...G935_UM_EU_Marshmallow_Eng_Rev.1.0_160219.pdf

SM-G935FD has already been certified in Taiwan and Indonesia.

Pages ... 15 to 20 and 133

The huge downside is that it states "You cannot insert a nano-SIM card and a microSD card in tray 2 at the same time."

Agreed a 64GB version would be better for the dual sim but for those that prefer to carry only one phone its a great option even with 32GB


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Lloydbm41

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Actually the 6+ for me wasn't bad at all. Remember i don't use browser much other than odd search and at most one tab open. All my other content are apps for what i need and i could easily get same amount of apps open on the 6+ as i could with the Edge + & note 5 despite the massive disparity in ram. Likewise the regular edge with 3gb would not hold as many as the 6+. With the 6S+ i can easily get 16+ apps open (no games as i said previous i don't game on my mobile devices) without them refreshing
You must have been using apps that were light on RAM usage, because I would have just 4 apps open on my iPhone 6 and get refreshes. On my ipad Air 2, I wouldn't get any.
 

MRU

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You must have been using apps that were light on RAM usage, because I would have just 4 apps open on my iPhone 6 and get refreshes. On my ipad Air 2, I wouldn't get any.

My main run of apps hasn't changed. Tapatalk, newstand, play music, email, dialer, calendar, todoist, keep, facebook, messager/sms, hangouts, photos ... I would get odd annoying refresh of tapatalk now and then, but not as often as on the other devices mentioned. With my 6S+ and current androids you can add - youtube, snapseed, camera, settings, adverts to that mix and no refreshes - indeed i would often have to manually refresh. So nothing really out of the ordinary there ...

I actually did a video of my 6+ and Edge at the time showing the difference between them for me / my usuage.
 

Lloydbm41

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I think Verizon is really trying to sell the S7 hard!

Free Gear S2 Smartwatch or a free Gear VR with the purchase of an S7! Pretty damn impressive.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2016/02/verizon-gear-vr-gear-s2-galaxy-s7/

Since the Gear VR is going to be sent from Samsung via your IMEI and MAC address, I'm will to bet you could get the Gear S2 from Verizon and still claim the Gear VR online from Samsung. Just a guess though.
 

jamezr

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Was finally able to checkout the S7 and S7 Edge just now at BB. Wow Samsung nailed on design with the S7 and edge. Such a nice feel in the hand and the edges on the Edge did not feel sharp at all. I tested false touches and was pleasantly surprised to actually get none! I got to hold the Samsung reps S7 Edge for a while. That black is soooo nice. Here is a side by side S7 edge and my 6s+ taking the same picture. Display brightness set to the same level. Such a difference in displays!!!


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Fernandez21

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Was finally able to checkout the S7 and S7 Edge just now at BB. Wow Samsung nailed on design with the S7 and edge. Such a nice feel in the hand and the edges on the Edge did not feel sharp at all. I tested false touches and was pleasantly surprised to actually get none! I got to hold the Samsung reps S7 Edge for a while. That black is soooo nice. Here is a side by side S7 edge and my 6s+ taking the same picture. Display brightness set to the same level. Such a difference in displays!!!


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Yeah, they REALLY nailed the build, it felt like one solid piece of glass.
 

jamezr

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Now after seeing the S7 edge in person and getting to hold it a play around with it a bit........ti's going to be a loooong two weeks til it gets shipped to me :(
 

spinedoc77

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The thing what makes the black S7 edge beautiful is the black homebutton, they should ditch the chrome ring around it on all.

By the way the iPhone looks like a toy next to the Samsung Galaxy S7 edge.
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That's NUTS how freakin huge the iPhone looks next to the Sammie. All 4 bezels/sides, holy crap. Seriously, how the hell is Apple not more embarrassed. Well I suppose because they sell so many of them so they don't really care. But hopefully Sammie will push them to reduce those god awful bezels a little bit.

I know I'm a broken record, but the Sammie would have looked simply incredible if it didn't have the Samsung logo. I fell in love with my Note 5 after blacking out the front and back and completely getting rid of all the front/back logos. I'd also love to see the frame darker, it still stands out too much and gives it a bit of a gaudy two tone look.
 
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BlueGoldAce

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Samsung really nailed the colors this year too. All three color variants are beautiful on the edge. I could honestly be happy with any of them.
 

tbayrgs

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That's NUTS how freakin huge the iPhone looks next to the Sammie. All 4 bezels/sides, holy crap. Seriously, how the hell is Apple not more embarrassed. Well I suppose because they sell so many of them so they don't really care. But hopefully Sammie will push them to reduce those god awful bezels a little bit.

Because the overwelming majority of consumer don't sit and obsess about bezels on a phone. Or differences in display color saturation, temperature, and comparative brightness...or the level of noise in that lower light photo, etc. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate what wonderful pieces of hardware the new Sammies are but typical consumers don't obsess about the minute details like the tiny niche of mobile tech enthusiast that post on forums like this do. Hell, most people are far more worried about what kind of case they're going to get---think they care about a few millimeters on a phone or that the whites on their display have a cooler temperature than another phone?

And I know I'll likely just be labeled an iPhone apologist for this next statement....but I don't ever recall using my iPhone and being so distracted from the actual content I'm viewing on the phone by the bezels that I just had to put it down and stop using it. :D

Let's be clear...most people's preferences in regards to their mobile device choices generally pertain to what OS they like to use. No mystery I prefer iOS and as great as the Samsung hardware is, it's not SO different from what I get from an iPhone that it's enough to get me to switch, because my greater issue is with the OS. Same goes for so many others here--they find Android to be a superior OS for their needs/preferences and even if the iPhone 7 all of a sudden leapfrogged over Samsung with its hardware implementation, they're not going running to the iPhone because they don't want to use iOS.
 

spinedoc77

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Because the overwelming majority of consumer don't sit and obsess about bezels on a phone. Or differences in display color saturation, temperature, and comparative brightness...or the level of noise in that lower light photo, etc. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate what wonderful pieces of hardware the new Sammies are but typical consumers don't obsess about the minute details like the tiny niche of mobile tech enthusiast that post on forums like this do. Hell, most people are far more worried about what kind of case they're going to get---think they care about a few millimeters on a phone or that the whites on their display have a cooler temperature than another phone?

I don't get distracted by the bezels, but aesthetically they make a phone beautiful and modern, or meh and outdated looking. What does distract me is the much larger size, it distracts how it fits in my hand, how I can use it one handed, how it fits into my pocket, etc. That's a big deal to me and I appreciate Samsung continuing to evolve phablets by making non screen real estate less and less in order to increase functionality.

And I know I'll likely just be labeled an iPhone apologist but I don't ever recall using my iPhone and being so distracted from the actual content I'm viewing on the phone by the bezels that I just had to put it down and stop using it.

Let's be clear...most people's preferences in regards to their mobile device choices generally pertain to what OS they like to use. No mystery I prefer iOS and as great as the Samsung hardware is, it's not SO different from what I get from an iPhone that it's enough to get me to switch, because my greater issue is with the OS. Same goes for so many others here--they find Android to be a superior OS for their needs/preferences and even if the iPhone 7 all of a sudden leapfrogged over Samsung with its hardware implementation, they're not going running to the iPhone because they don't want to use iOS.

I think consumers think about this more than you think they do. It's completely obvious when you see virtually every phone manufacturer reducing bezel size, increasing resolutions, etc with every other release and sometimes every release. IMO it's more that Apple consumers are willing to lower things like bezels and screen resolution down their priority list but are still aware of it. You have to literally be blind to see an iPhone next to a S7 at best buy and not wonder why the screens are physically the same size but the iPhone is so much huger. This kind of sounds like when phablets came out and Apple fans said that no one cared about larger screens. They do, they were just willing to put up with smaller screens to have an Apple phone. Once large screen Apple phones came out they sold like wildfire.

I also think that if iOS leapfrogged Android that Android would be in SERIOUS trouble. Apple is one of those companies which could seriously monopolize the smartphone market. It's the reduced functionality and walled garden which keeps its competitors alive.

And just to clarify, I'm ALSO an Apple guy. I had a 6s+ until about 2-3 months ago when I switched to the Note 5. I kept the 6s+ for a while and went back and forth between the 2. The 6s+ is beautiful and feels of a higher quality than my Note 5, until I turn them on and the screen resolution, bezels, etc suddenly make the iPhone seem primitive and outdated.
 
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Andres Cantu

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Samsung really nailed the colors this year too. All three color variants are beautiful on the edge. I could honestly be happy with any of them.
I personally like the Silver best, but I would like to see the blue topaz color make a return. That was a gorgeous color!
 

BlueGoldAce

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I personally like the Silver best, but I would like to see the blue topaz color make a return. That was a gorgeous color!
Agreed. I went and looked at the phones at best buy today, to see them in person. Silver is my favorite, with black a close second and gold a not far off 3rd. The silver is a little reflective in the bright light of Best Buy, but everyday use I think it'll look gorgeous. Honestly my favorite thing about the silver, is that the Samsung logo on the front kind of blends in, and doesn't stand out that much. I also think it will hide scratches and Exedra, for those of us who don't use a case. Personally, I'm debating between using a case and going without one this time
 

Andres Cantu

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Agreed. I went and looked at the phones at best buy today, to see them in person. Silver is my favorite, with black a close second and gold a not far off 3rd. The silver is a little reflective in the bright light of Best Buy, but everyday use I think it'll look gorgeous. Honestly my favorite thing about the silver, is that the Samsung logo on the front kind of blends in, and doesn't stand out that much. I also think it will hide scratches and Exedra, for those of us who don't use a case. Personally, I'm debating between using a case and going without one this time
That's a tough decision. A phone as good-looking as the S7 Edge deserves for the world to see it!

I would probably go with a clear case. Not as much for the bit of extra protection, but for hiding the fingerprints and for showing the S7 Edge's color.

But then again, it would be tough to find a case that can keep the ergonomics of the phone.
 
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spinedoc77

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How is that white? In pictures it looks like a pearl white, which is awesome. Is that just lighting and is it really just a plain white?
 

Truefan31

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Because the overwelming majority of consumer don't sit and obsess about bezels on a phone. Or differences in display color saturation, temperature, and comparative brightness...or the level of noise in that lower light photo, etc. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate what wonderful pieces of hardware the new Sammies are but typical consumers don't obsess about the minute details like the tiny niche of mobile tech enthusiast that post on forums like this do. Hell, most people are far more worried about what kind of case they're going to get---think they care about a few millimeters on a phone or that the whites on their display have a cooler temperature than another phone?

And I know I'll likely just be labeled an iPhone apologist for this next statement....but I don't ever recall using my iPhone and being so distracted from the actual content I'm viewing on the phone by the bezels that I just had to put it down and stop using it. :D

Let's be clear...most people's preferences in regards to their mobile device choices generally pertain to what OS they like to use. No mystery I prefer iOS and as great as the Samsung hardware is, it's not SO different from what I get from an iPhone that it's enough to get me to switch, because my greater issue is with the OS. Same goes for so many others here--they find Android to be a superior OS for their needs/preferences and even if the iPhone 7 all of a sudden leapfrogged over Samsung with its hardware implementation, they're not going running to the iPhone because they don't want to use iOS.

I agree with this. And also again it's those customers both companies care about. Not us who discuss every minute detail, argue on forums, jailbreak and/or root/change launchers etc.

Honestly I'm sure the iPhone 7 is basically complete from a hardware standpoint. Regardless of others like the s7 etc it will be what it is already planned.
 

BlueGoldAce

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I agree with this. And also again it's those customers both companies care about. Not us who discuss every minute detail, argue on forums, jailbreak and/or root/change launchers etc.

Honestly I'm sure the iPhone 7 is basically complete from a hardware standpoint. Regardless of others like the s7 etc it will be what it is already planned.
Very true. I think it is funny when people talk about this phone pushing Apple to create a better iPhone 7, that phone is already been designed a year ago. It has been in the pipeline for a while, and iPhone release 6 months prior is not going to change design. Anyway, talking about the normal consumer, I believe Samsung is producing the best hardware and possibly the best phone on the market. But I believe they are fighting an uphill battle currently. They use the Galaxy name, in the past, too freely. They used it with low in hardware and unoptimized software, and as such people who used low in Samsung devices got the impression that Android, and SAMSUNG, made for a crappy experience. So then, when said people have the money to move up to an iPhone, they had a very smooth experience and this will never move from the iPhone. That being said, the younger generation seems to be a little bit more open minded, in a lot of my younger brothers friends seem to be flocking to Android devices. So it's not too late for Samsung. Honestly the best thing that could happen would be if Google would create a pixel phone.

Anyway, it is best to keep in mind that this is just the debatings of tech enthusiast on a forum, that in the long run will make no difference. It's kind of like debating politics. 5 years ago we could have debated what the 2016 election would look like in the United States, but no one saw Donald Trump coming. It defies logic, and intelligence.

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Anyone who disagrees or is offended by the statement, I recommend having a drink. A nice glass of wine.
 

epicrayban

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Because the overwelming majority of consumer don't sit and obsess about bezels on a phone. Or differences in display color saturation, temperature, and comparative brightness...or the level of noise in that lower light photo, etc. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate what wonderful pieces of hardware the new Sammies are but typical consumers don't obsess about the minute details like the tiny niche of mobile tech enthusiast that post on forums like this do. Hell, most people are far more worried about what kind of case they're going to get---think they care about a few millimeters on a phone or that the whites on their display have a cooler temperature than another phone?

And I know I'll likely just be labeled an iPhone apologist for this next statement....but I don't ever recall using my iPhone and being so distracted from the actual content I'm viewing on the phone by the bezels that I just had to put it down and stop using it. :D

Let's be clear...most people's preferences in regards to their mobile device choices generally pertain to what OS they like to use. No mystery I prefer iOS and as great as the Samsung hardware is, it's not SO different from what I get from an iPhone that it's enough to get me to switch, because my greater issue is with the OS. Same goes for so many others here--they find Android to be a superior OS for their needs/preferences and even if the iPhone 7 all of a sudden leapfrogged over Samsung with its hardware implementation, they're not going running to the iPhone because they don't want to use iOS.


I won't say too much. But I think you're wrong that people don't care or won't notice. It's gradual but as Samsung continues its lead and maybe begins separating themselves further ahead of the competition, people will slowly take notice.

As for the comment about enjoying content, once people get the s7 in their hands, they'll enjoy content just fine. Better, I'd argue, thanks to leading class displays and bezel design. There's a time now to enjoy the hardware and design because it was just announced and some of the design decisions really lead to real world gains in ergonomics/battery.

We do this all the time to iPhones. We constantly talk about Apple design when there's a new redesigned iPhone announced. It's fun.
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Agreed. I went and looked at the phones at best buy today, to see them in person. Silver is my favorite, with black a close second and gold a not far off 3rd. The silver is a little reflective in the bright light of Best Buy, but everyday use I think it'll look gorgeous. Honestly my favorite thing about the silver, is that the Samsung logo on the front kind of blends in, and doesn't stand out that much. I also think it will hide scratches and Exedra, for those of us who don't use a case. Personally, I'm debating between using a case and going without one this time


I never use a case. ;) It's the best way to go.
 
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SteveJUAE

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Agreed. I went and looked at the phones at best buy today, to see them in person. Silver is my favorite, with black a close second and gold a not far off 3rd. The silver is a little reflective in the bright light of Best Buy, but everyday use I think it'll look gorgeous. Honestly my favorite thing about the silver, is that the Samsung logo on the front kind of blends in, and doesn't stand out that much. I also think it will hide scratches and Exedra, for those of us who don't use a case. Personally, I'm debating between using a case and going without one this time
I agree this is the 1st phone in a while I feel I could go without a full case and the permanent on screen should make the S-View case option largely irrelevant.

There must be front and back glass screen protectors that can cope with the curves
 

tbayrgs

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I think consumers think about this more than you think they do. It's completely obvious when you see virtually every phone manufacturer reducing bezel size, increasing resolutions, etc with every other release and sometimes every release. IMO it's more that Apple consumers are willing to lower things like bezels and screen resolution down their priority list but are still aware of it. You have to literally be blind to see an iPhone next to a S7 at best buy and not wonder why the screens are physically the same size but the iPhone is so much huger. This kind of sounds like when phablets came out and Apple fans said that no one cared about larger screens. They do, they were just willing to put up with smaller screens to have an Apple phone. Once large screen Apple phones came out they sold like wildfire.

I also think that if iOS leapfrogged Android that Android would be in SERIOUS trouble. Apple is one of those companies which could seriously monopolize the smartphone market. It's the reduced functionality and walled garden which keeps its competitors alive.

And just to clarify, I'm ALSO an Apple guy. I had a 6s+ until about 2-3 months ago when I switched to the Note 5. I kept the 6s+ for a while and went back and forth between the 2. The 6s+ is beautiful and feels of a higher quality than my Note 5, until I turn them on and the screen resolution, bezels, etc suddenly make the iPhone seem primitive and outdated.

But you are exactly the proof to my point Doc---you are not like most customers. Most customers ARE blind to the bezels/size...they don't care about a few millimeters difference.

Most phone manufacturers are reducing bezel size, increasing resolution, etc because they are competing with EACH OTHER for that slice of the Android pie. Of course, there are customers who aren't locked onto one OS or the other but when a US customer goes into a carrier store, they are looking at a long line of Android phones all lined up next to each other---phones all trying to differentiate from the next Android sitting next door in line. The iPhones are usually set aside in their own display. Samsung and other OEM's have had iPhone's beat on the spec front for a while now...those hardware differences are the OEMs trying to stand out from the other Android OEMs, (for the most part).

What about the S7 is so different from the S6 that it's all of a sudden going to attract customers away from an iPhone if that's what they were considering? It's about the same size with a very similar design and appearance. The camera on the S7 appears better--but the S6 was also already better than the iPhone. Same for the display. Android and TouchWiz haven't changed significantly, neither offering revolutionary functionality that wasn't around last year. What I'm saying is we saw smaller bezels, a nicer, higher resolution display, a better camera, and a pretty design last year and the S6's and Note 5 didn't move the needle. If an iPhone customer wasn't going to switch last year to what was already arguably a better handset, what about the S7 is going to make them switch back? Do you really think changes in the battery size and return of the SD card are going to turn the tables?

My point is we are all sitting here drooling over the new Galaxies and wondering how ever does the iPhone compete yet, this is the same discussion that's been had for a while now. They didn't care about this minutiae last year or the year before---it's not going to be much different this year either. What Samsung will likely do is further lock up the high-end Android segment but I highly doubt we'll see a paradigm shift because of anything the S7 models are offering.

Any ground swell away from the iPhone (and likely the S7 too) will be from the ever increasing so called mid range market that seems to have captured the publics eye, offering higher quality devices than we've ever seen from mid-priced phones.
 
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