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Radon87000

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So subjectively Samsung displays are technically better, but in practice they aren't. Got it.:confused:

Your trusted source Anandtech begs to differ .He claimed the Samsung screens can support it but can't because of Android
 

Radon87000

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There's very little difference between these screens, they are both very good. Why does it matter so much?
why do people keep saying this?In my opinion the difference in display quality between the Galaxy and iPhones is noticeable.You can actually see the difference through videos.Are you seeing zero difference in the screenshots below?The colors are a night and day difference at times like the clouds one

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Right, and your trusted source says iPhone 7 most accurate.:cool:

I dont deny it.But its not the most high performance display on the planet
 

The-Real-Deal82

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why do people keep saying this?In my opinion the difference between the difference in display quality between the Galaxy and iPhones is noticeable.You can actually see the difference through videos.Are youseeing zero difference in the screenshots below?The colors are a night and day difference at times like the clouds one
Samsung have always boosted saturation to make colours appear more vibrant and brighter. That to me does not make it a better screen, just a different approach. I like the colour tones of the LCD and whenever this topic comes up its more down to personal preference than anything else.

People keep disagreeing with you because they don't share you view that the Amoled screens are 'night and day' better as you often put it. They are great screens in their own right and pretty much on par IMO.
 

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why do people keep saying this?In my opinion the difference in display quality between the Galaxy and iPhones is noticeable.You can actually see the difference through videos.Are you seeing zero difference in the screenshots below?The colors are a night and day difference at times like the clouds one


I dont deny it.But its not the most high performance display on the planet
Over saturated does not amount to better quality. Each technology has their pleases and minuses and at times we are guilty of looking at only the pluses where the minuses are just as important. Overall though there is no practical difference.
 

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96% drop in operating profit due to the note 7.

"The firm's mobile division posted an operating profit of ₩100bn (around $87.8 million) for the three-month period, down 96 per cent year-on-year and marking the lowest profits the business has seen in the past eight years."
 

Radon87000

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96% drop in operating profit due to the note 7.

"The firm's mobile division posted an operating profit of ₩100bn (around $87.8 million) for the three-month period, down 96 per cent year-on-year and marking the lowest profits the business has seen in the past eight years."
I bet thats still higher than almost ALL of the other Android manufacturers.A grim day for Samsung .The S8 cant come sooner ...
 

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I bet thats still higher than almost ALL of the other Android manufacturers.A grim day for Samsung .The S8 cant come sooner ...

It defiantly is. No other android manufacturer has lost that much operating profit in such a short time.

Don't forget Samsung had to sell four companies just to give it that meager operating profit.
 

spinedoc77

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Over saturated does not amount to better quality. Each technology has their pleases and minuses and at times we are guilty of looking at only the pluses where the minuses are just as important. Overall though there is no practical difference.

Depends on what mode you put the screen in, some modes don't have the oversaturation, which is minimal anyhow IMO. Practically, I definitely found the N7 screen superior to my 7+ for everyday use.
 

Radon87000

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It defiantly is. No other android manufacturer has lost that much operating profit in such a short time.

Don't forget Samsung had to sell four companies just to give it that meager operating profit.
Tell that to LG.They went from a $68B loss to a $389B loss this quarter. They managed to beat the record set by Motorola of a $384B loss too.Thats 5 straight consecutive years of losses and even Samsung with their meltdown didnt get this bad
 

spinedoc77

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Samsung have always boosted saturation to make colours appear more vibrant and brighter. That to me does not make it a better screen, just a different approach. I like the colour tones of the LCD and whenever this topic comes up its more down to personal preference than anything else.

People keep disagreeing with you because they don't share you view that the Amoled screens are 'night and day' better as you often put it. They are great screens in their own right and pretty much on par IMO.

The screen has different modes, and you can get a screen pretty close to the saturation that an iPhone has. Not sure if you were aware of that. Out of the box it is set to adaptive, and that does have a fair bit of saturation, although IMO it's usually exaggerated for some strange reason.
 
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The screen has different modes, and you can get a screen pretty close to the saturation that an iPhone has. Not sure if you were aware of that. Out of the box it is set to adaptive, and that does have a fair bit of saturation, although IMO it's usually exaggerated for some strange reason.

Wide rgb is system wide on iOS and apps are rewritten to support it.
Samsung and android do not, no matter what mode you have your galaxy set to.
 
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Tell that to LG.They went from a $68B loss to a $389B loss this quarter. They managed to beat the record set by Motorola of a $384B loss too.Thats 5 straight consecutive years of losses and even Samsung with their meltdown didnt get this bad

Well two things; one, Samsung sold 4 companies to offset its loss. Estimates for the explosive note 7 are being reported as 5.2 billion dollars for the quarter and 19 billion for the fiscal year.

Two, lg loss has nothing to do with Samsung galaxy note 7 exploding

No need to make up figures, lg did not lose 68 or 389 billion dollars. Your just marking stuff up again.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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The screen has different modes, and you can get a screen pretty close to the saturation that an iPhone has. Not sure if you were aware of that. Out of the box it is set to adaptive, and that does have a fair bit of saturation, although IMO it's usually exaggerated for some strange reason.

Yeah I was aware it could be toned down. However when it is toned down it does not look as impressive to some people. I do prefer the iPhone saturation level myself.
 

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Dumb question: If the iPhone 7+ plays "4K Youtube videos," it just letterboxes it more or less, right? The S8 will have native 4K in all likelihood, but I am not going after it since I am all on the Apple bandwagon.
 

spinedoc77

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Wide rgb is system wide on iOS and apps are rewritten to support it.
Samsung and android do not, no matter what mode you have your galaxy set to.

Hmm, wide rgb seems like as much bs as saying a 4k screen looks sharper on a 5" screen. Is there an app or anything where it would be apparent to me? My 7+ screen looks exactly like my older iphones. Just curious, I don't mean to sound combative.

I'm also not sure what you mean about Samsung/android? If you change the screen in settings it affects everything you see on the screen. I know it's too technical and above my head, but I don't see any difference in saturation between apps.
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Yeah I was aware it could be toned down. However when it is toned down it does not look as impressive to some people. I do prefer the iPhone saturation level myself.

I like them both, depends what I'm doing I suppose. But I like that with Samsung you can at least have the choice and change, I think you can sort of do that on the iPhone with the separate color channels. One thing I've noticed on the iPhone is that if you have the screen dim the colors look terrible, I find myself fighting with the auto brightness constantly. With AMOLED even with a fairly dimmed screen the colors still stay alive.

But both are fine, even great. I think your eyes get used to whatever you view all the time, so at first I didn't like the iPhone as it looks washed out and weak, but over time it now looks fine to me and I don't mind.
 

Fernandez21

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Hmm, wide rgb seems like as much bs as saying a 4k screen looks sharper on a 5" screen. Is there an app or anything where it would be apparent to me? My 7+ screen looks exactly like my older iphones. Just curious, I don't mean to sound combative.

I'm also not sure what you mean about Samsung/android? If you change the screen in settings it affects everything you see on the screen. I know it's too technical and above my head, but I don't see any difference in saturation between apps.
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I like them both, depends what I'm doing I suppose. But I like that with Samsung you can at least have the choice and change, I think you can sort of do that on the iPhone with the separate color channels. One thing I've noticed on the iPhone is that if you have the screen dim the colors look terrible, I find myself fighting with the auto brightness constantly. With AMOLED even with a fairly dimmed screen the colors still stay alive.

But both are fine, even great. I think your eyes get used to whatever you view all the time, so at first I didn't like the iPhone as it looks washed out and weak, but over time it now looks fine to me and I don't mind.

Its kind of hard to explain in text about the wide rgb mode in iOS vs what Samsung does with their display modes, but I'll try.

So, regular RGB mode supports a color gamut of colors, let's say in red it supports red 1-10 (scaling it down to make it simple, red getting brighter as you move up). So a color accurate display will match red 1 with red 1, this is what was supported in older iPhones and if you set Samsung to basic mode.

Now let's say wide rgb mode supports red 1-20. On Samsung this would be "Cinema" mode. However, since android doesn't support wide rgb mode, what Samsung is doing is stretching red 1-10 to match red 1-20. So red 1 still matches, but red 2 is now displayed as red 4, red 3 is now red 6, and so forth. This is what makes everything pop, because what was originally suppose to be red 10 is now red 20. Since its stretching the color gamut, it effects everything and everything pops, but it isn't accurate, and the higher you get on the color spectrum the more in accurate it becomes.

However, on iOS, since it does support wide rgb mode, it will still accurately display red 1-10, in addition to red 11-20 as new brighter colors. However for those brighter colors to be displayed the app developers have to chose from that wider color gamut and video has to rendered in that format as well. So it will still displays all the color accurately and how the developers intended, but won't show the brighter popping colors unless its meant to.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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I like them both, depends what I'm doing I suppose. But I like that with Samsung you can at least have the choice and change, I think you can sort of do that on the iPhone with the separate color channels. One thing I've noticed on the iPhone is that if you have the screen dim the colors look terrible, I find myself fighting with the auto brightness constantly. With AMOLED even with a fairly dimmed screen the colors still stay alive.

But both are fine, even great. I think your eyes get used to whatever you view all the time, so at first I didn't like the iPhone as it looks washed out and weak, but over time it now looks fine to me and I don't mind.
I'm probably not the best judge to be honest as I set my iPhone screen to low brightness anyway.
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This is the main reason I never seem to care when people get passionate over which screen is better. If I owned a Samsung I would likely tone the saturation down and set the brightness low to preserve battery life, unless it is at least 5 times better in the battery department.
 
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Radon87000

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Well two things; one, Samsung sold 4 companies to offset its loss. Estimates for the explosive note 7 are being reported as 5.2 billion dollars for the quarter and 19 billion for the fiscal year.

Two, lg loss has nothing to do with Samsung galaxy note 7 exploding

No need to make up figures, lg did not lose 68 or 389 billion dollars. Your just marking stuff up again.

I made a typo with the "B" but the percentages are the same.Their losses have crossed over 100% compared to the same quarter last year from 68M to 389M and compared to Q2 2016 from from 132M to 389M . That's over a 100% increase in losses no matter which way you look at it

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...st-quarterly-loss-ever-at-nearly-400-million/
 

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I made a typo with the "B" but the percentages are the same.Their losses have crossed over 100% compared to the same quarter last year from 68M to 389M and compared to Q2 2016 from from 132M to 389M . That's over a 100% increase in losses no matter which way you look at it

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...st-quarterly-loss-ever-at-nearly-400-million/

Typo? You wrote b instead of m three time and didn't provide a link, You just got caught making stuff up like you normally do.


Samsung just lost 5.2 billion with a b.
They are projected to lose 19.2 billion again with a b by the end of the fiscal year.
 

Radon87000

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Typo? You wrote b instead of m three time and didn't provide a link, You just got caught making stuff up like you normally do.


Samsung just lost 5.2 billion with a b.
They are projected to lose 19.2 billion again with a b by the end of the fiscal year.
Yes a typo.It happens sometimes.I frequently switch between keyboards.Which is why the number before it was accurate

In finance the amount of losses don't matter.The percentages do which is why analysts look at common size income statements and common size balance sheets to get the absolute numbers out of the picture .In relative terms the one who lost the most is LG as they lost more than 100% of what they earned last year and last quarter
 

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Three typos and no link I'm not buying it.
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Don't know what business school you went to but billion in loss trumps millions in loss everytime.

Billion>million
 

Radon87000

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Three typos and no link I'm not buying it.

If you cross reference the time of my post to the time the Android police article was published you would realised I read it from there.I didnt post the link as if you had just done a simple search you would have seen it as a headline


Don't know what business school you went to
I am currently enrolled in the CFA program and although I am not entirely an complete expert on this (still learning) we dont look at absolutes when we compare 2 or more peer companies.We first standardise them by making them as a percentage of an important metric like sales and then we compare it to competitors so see how much the company gained or how its financial statements are structured relative to its past

but billion in loss trumps millions in loss everytime.

Billion>million
As I said, read up on common size statements.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/111413/commonsize-analysis-financial-statements.asp

http://www.netmba.com/finance/statements/common-size/

"Common size ratios are used to compare financial statements of different size companies or of the same company over different periods.By expressing the items in proportion to some size related measure standardized financial statements can be created, revealing trends and providing insights into how different companies compare"


Samsung's mobile division isnt comparable to LG's division because of differing scales.Absolute numbers dont mean anything in finance.Samsung Mobile sells much much more than LG does.So to compare the 2 we need percentages to see how they both performed
 
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