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And that mark is still on him and the reason why he can be tracked by the walkers. Benjen said the wall is protected by magic and he can't cross it. If Bran cross the wall, it may cause that protection to disappear in the same way as the cave of the Three Eyed Raven.

That, or someone has their hands on the Horn of Winter and it will be moot. I suspect one way or the other we will have a "collapse of the wall" scene before the end of this series.
 
During the first meeting with Bran's group at the cave of the Three Eyed Raven, the children of the forest claimed that the walkers cannot set foot in the cave because it is protected. The whole "Hold the door!" debacle was because Bran got marked and the protection of the cave is no longer in effect. And that mark is still on him and the reason why he can be tracked by the walkers. Benjen said the wall is protected by magic and he can't cross it. If Bran cross the wall, it may cause that protection to disappear in the same way as the cave of the Three Eyed Raven.
Good point. I guess I didn't quite associate the marking being connected with them being able to cross into the cave (more in the sense that they were able to track him using the mark and were able to cross into the cave because of something else like the magic no longer being powerful enough or them getting more powerful over time).
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That, or someone has their hands on the Horn of Winter and it will be moot. I suspect one way or the other we will have a "collapse of the wall" scene before the end of this series.
Yeah, I was mostly connecting the crossing of the wall with something like that as far as how it would likely happen.
 
That, or someone has their hands on the Horn of Winter and it will be moot. I suspect one way or the other we will have a "collapse of the wall" scene before the end of this series.
I thought they already found the Horn of Winter in Season 2??? Wasn't it buried North of the wall under that inscribed stone tablet? When Green was digging around in the snow and struck stone with Sam Tarly looking on and recognizing dragon glass, there was a horn buried with the stash and Sam kept it.
 
I thought they already found the Horn of Winter in Season 2??? Wasn't it buried North of the wall under that inscribed stone tablet? When Green was digging around in the snow and struck stone with Sam Tarly looking on and recognizing dragon glass, there was a horn buried with the stash and Sam kept it.

Really? I didn't remember that. I know Manse claimed to have it, but in the end he admitted he never did. So you are talking about the scene where Tarly first gets the dragon glass bag?

EDIT: Well holy $h*t.
 
I thought they already found the Horn of Winter in Season 2??? Wasn't it buried North of the wall under that inscribed stone tablet? When Green was digging around in the snow and struck stone with Sam Tarly looking on and recognizing dragon glass, there was a horn buried with the stash and Sam kept it.

Really? I didn't remember that. I know Manse claimed to have it, but in the end he admitted he never did. So you are talking about the scene where Tarly first gets the dragon glass bag?

EDIT: Well holy $h*t.
Interesting, interesting. They don't really say anything about it or even really notice it. But then why have it there at all? So many things you kind of forget over the years as the show goes on.
 
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Really? I didn't remember that. I know Manse claimed to have it, but in the end he admitted he never did. So you are talking about the scene where Tarly first gets the dragon glass bag?

EDIT: Well holy $h*t.
According to Game of Thrones Wiki:
The warhorn is found along with spear and arrow heads made of dragonglass, all wrapped in the black cloak of a brother of the Night's Watch. Sam and Grenn do not take notice of the warhorn, as they are more interested in the rare dragonglass weapons.

So not necessarily the Horn of Winter and we don't know what happened to it.
 
Really? I didn't remember that. I know Manse claimed to have it, but in the end he admitted he never did. So you are talking about the scene where Tarly first gets the dragon glass bag?

EDIT: Well holy $h*t.
Yes, that's the one. We were going ooh and ahh over the dragon glass and totally glossed over the horn that was bundled in there. I was wondering about that when someone mentioned "Horn of Winter" earlier.
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According to Game of Thrones Wiki:


So not necessarily the Horn of Winter and we don't know what happened to it.

True...I was just speculating when I binge-watched the series. :p
 
Just having a read on the Game of Thrones wiki and am super impressed with how 'history repeated itself' by conveying the likeness between Cersei Lannister and Maegor Targaryen - and how they dealt with the Faith of the Seven.

Is George R R Martin a genius? I think he is.
 
Surely he is the son of Lyanna Stark and Robert Baratheon? We know Lyanna is his mother but the whole 'black of hair' issue got Ned Stark killed in a way. So, he is the true heir to Roberts throne.

No, HBO confirmed that Rhaegar was his father in an infographic:
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And also, he's still a bastard. With that mentality Gendry would have a claim as well.
 
No, HBO confirmed that Rhaegar was his father in an infographic:
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And also, he's still a bastard. With that mentality Gendry would have a claim as well.
Yes I saw this earlier, plus the timeline doesn't add up for him to be Roberts son. Gendry would have had a claim to the throne. In fact, according to the wiki page, Robert Baratheon was elected King because of his half blood relationship with the Targaryens once Aerys II was killed. Also, Maegor was a bastard who was then King. The wiki is seriously deep.
 
Yes I saw this earlier, plus the timeline doesn't add up for him to be Roberts son. Gendry would have had a claim to the throne. In fact, according to the wiki page, Robert Baratheon was elected King because of his half blood relationship with the Targaryens once Aerys II was killed. Also, Maegor was a bastard who was then King. The wiki is seriously deep.

Was Maegor one of Aegon IV's bastards? I'm pretty sure he legitimised all of them. That wouldn't happen to Jon.
 
Was Maegor one of Aegon IV's bastards? I'm pretty sure he legitimised all of them. That wouldn't happen to Jon.
Actually I'm wrong about Maegor. He was Targaryen/Targaryen but a bastard through incest.

Also, other similarities to Cersei. He poisoned himself whilst sitting on the throne as he was about to face defeat. Cersei almost did the same with Tommen when Stannis attacked Kings Landing. There's obviously also a big incest connection. Maybe Cersei and Jamie are in fact Targaryen children of the mad King without Tywin's knowledge?
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... And what happened to the Lannister Uncle who was supervising the crown until Tomen came of age to rule? Or was that a Baratheon? I'd think he'd be next in line.

In the books he was killed by Varys, who returned to Westeros from Mereen only to make sure the kingdom stayed on turmoil, because Kevan was "too good at ruling". In the show, he died on the septon.


Not sure how the "mark" would have an effect like that.

Exactly what BernyMac said.
 
In the books he was killed by Varys, who returned to Westeros from Mereen only to make sure the kingdom stayed on turmoil, because Kevan was "too good at ruling". In the show, he died on the septon.




Exactly what BernyMac said.

Are you serious or kidding? I don't remember in the books Varys returning to Westeros, just disappeared after Joffery was killed. Maybe I'm losing my memory... :oops:
 
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Great episode, still an outline! :D

I think we now know that Jon Snow is not Edward Stark's bastard son, but a Stark by his sister who may of had sexual relations with a Targarian, which may make Jon and Daenerys related, maybe even brother and sister. :eek:
It's confirmed.
 
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Looking at the sails, you can see sigils for the various families that have joined behind Dany at that point. So Varys traveled back to Meereen with the Martell ships before setting sail for Westeros.

That was very informative for me, thank you. I noticed the dragon and kraken sigils, but not the others.

Looking at a map of the world, it is plausible for the Martell fleet to meet up with the fleet from Meereen, not to mention that the trip between King's Landing and Water Gardens is always depicted with ships.

But I don't know why the Tyrells would go all that way. They have a direct road to King's Landing.
 
I thought they already found the Horn of Winter in Season 2??? Wasn't it buried North of the wall under that inscribed stone tablet? When Green was digging around in the snow and struck stone with Sam Tarly looking on and recognizing dragon glass, there was a horn buried with the stash and Sam kept it.

I remember it being found and did they burn it?
 
I was finally able to watch the season finale yesterday (have been out of town attending a conference), and thus able to read this thread. Good stuff!

I was mostly pleased with the episode. Cersei had gone off the deep end. With no children left, she has nothing to lose. And she probably knows that with what she's done she's now lost Jaime as well.

Tyrion has finally found the sister he always wished he had in Cersei. Of course, it will be a happy surprise when they discover they are actually related (since Tyrion's father is also questionable).

I did not see Tommen's suicide coming, although it made perfect sense. It was very sad.

Jon will wind up in King's Landing, but not as king. He will, most likely become the Royal Consort.
 
I was finally able to watch the season finale yesterday (have been out of town attending a conference), and thus able to read this thread. Good stuff!

I was mostly pleased with the episode. Cersei had gone off the deep end. With no children left, she has nothing to lose. And she probably knows that with what she's done she's now lost Jaime as well.

Tyrion has finally found the sister he always wished he had in Cersei. Of course, it will be a happy surprise when they discover they are actually related (since Tyrion's father is also questionable).

I did not see Tommen's suicide coming, although it made perfect sense. It was very sad.

Jon will wind up in King's Landing, but not as king. He will, most likely become the Royal Consort.

Wait...

Since when has Tyrion's parentage been in question?

I've read the books and watched all the shows, not once have I ever questioned him being Tywin's son.
 
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Wait...

Since when has Tyrion's parentage been in question?

I've read the books and watched all the shows, not once have I ever questioned him being Tywin's son.

There's a theory that Tyrion is the son of the Mad King and Tywin's wife. I don't buy it.
 
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