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AlliFlowers

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It's been hinted at often. While Tywin would never admit to being a cuckold, it's one of the theories why he hated Tyrion from birth. I like the theory a lot.

Wait...

Since when has Tyrion's parentage been in question?

I've read the books and watched all the shows, not once have I ever questioned him being Tywin's son.

There's a theory that Tyrion is the son of the Mad King and Tywin's wife. I don't buy it.

Really?

I don't buy it either. No where in any of the canon does it lead towards Tywins wife being unfaithful.
 

thewitt

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Wait...

Since when has Tyrion's parentage been in question?

I've read the books and watched all the shows, not once have I ever questioned him being Tywin's son.
When Tywin yelled, "You are not my son," that kind of did it for me.
 
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Khalanad75

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When Tywin yelled, "You are not my son," that kind of did it for me.

I took that more as Twyin was all about the family name, and even though Tyrion was a mishappen dwarf, Tywin didn't have him killed off because he was a "Lannister" and he was in shock that Tyrion wasn't plain grateful for that fact.

Tywin Lannister: "You shot me! You're no son of mine!"
Tyrion Lannister: "I am your son. I have always been your son."
— Tyrion kills Tywin[src]
 

zmunkz

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There's a theory that Tyrion is the son of the Mad King and Tywin's wife. I don't buy it.

I don't buy it either. Tywin resented having a dwarf for a son and it was only the family name that kept him from drowning him as a baby I'm sure. If there was any good excuse to de-legitimize him, Tywin would have taken it.

Whoever asked earlier about Vary's in kings landing, yes that is true. He shows up at the very end of the book for that one scene.
 

impulse462

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Can't think of any off the top of my head, and it's now been years since I read the books. I'm sure someone else will bring in examples.

When Tywin yelled, "You are not my son," that kind of did it for me.

Yeah. And when Tyrion released danys other 2 dragons they didn't eat him despite being starved for however long. I think it's possible, and that dany, Jon, and Tyrion are the 3 dragon riders.

But only Jon is the son of ice and fire. My hero
 
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impulse462

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The releasing of the dragons is interesting but if they are intelligent they probably realize that Tyrion is freeing them,
i mean they could just let him release them and then eat him...its not like he can fly away







OR CAN HE
 

smallcoffee

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i mean they could just let him release them and then eat him...its not like he can fly away

OR CAN HE

Well what I'm wondering is why after he released them they had to break out in the battle of the bastards episode. Or did Tyrion only take off their chains? I'd say it's much more likely to be plot armor than Targarian armor.

Also, anybody else like kind of not rooting for Dany?
 

Roller

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Well what I'm wondering is why after he released them they had to break out in the battle of the bastards episode. Or did Tyrion only take off their chains? I'd say it's much more likely to be plot armor than Targarian armor.

Also, anybody else like kind of not rooting for Dany?

Nah, I'm still in Dany's camp. I'm encouraged by her decision to listen to Tyrion and not destroy the slavers' cities outright, and by her promise to him, Yara, and Theon that they'll leave the world better than they found it. But she now commands a force that has little to tie it together other than hatred of the Lannisters or allegiance to Dany. If she's victorious, she's going to have to figure out how to make them get along. Another example of how governing is harder than conquering.

I contrast Dany to Cersei, who no longer has the love for her children, which was the only good part of her. What's left is pure evil and lust for power and revenge. The glances that she and Jaime exchanged as he watched her ascend to the Iron Throne suggest that Cersei now sees him as a means to her ends rather than a partner or perhaps even as a lover and that he knows it. Jaime's hardly benevolent—after all, he threatened to catapult a child to get his way—but there's still nobility there. I wonder if the next time that he and Brienne meet it'll be a allies or enemies.
 
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zmunkz

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Nah, I'm still in Dany's camp. I'm encouraged by her decision to listen to Tyrion and not destroy the slavers' cities outright, and by her promise to him, Yara, and Theon that they'll leave the world better than they found it.

^this.

This season definitely raised some questions if she had more in common with Aegon the conquer, or maybe the mad king, than we thought. I think she recognized that line and chose not to cross it, which is probably one of the reasons she finally throws in with Tyrion and realizes she needs him at her side.

The one nagging thought is the knowledge that at some point we will have Dany and Jon facing one another, and either they will work things out equitably, or else one of them will have to assume the role of "bad" guy. I mentioned before in this thread that I suspect they will work things out, but if they don't and one of them has to go bad, it does seem more likely to be Dany than Jon.

I wonder if the next time that he and Brienne meet it'll be a allies or enemies.

I wonder the same... will Jamie become a queen-slayer and sister-slayer too now? I also wonder if Brienne will end up in a romantic arc with Jamie or Tormund (if anyone).
 

iLog.Genius

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I just don't see why we're rooting for a conqueror? Seems like the Targaryans are jerks.

I know for me, I'm rooting for the Targaryan because at least theres good intentions of what Danaerys might/could do if freeing of the slaves are any indication. With someone like Cersei, we know it's all about power with no real regard for general public. As long as she sits on the throne, she can do whatever, whenever and now that all her children are gone, do you really want to see that Cersei ruling the 7 kingdoms?
 
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impulse462

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I know for me, I'm rooting for the Targaryan because at least theres good intentions of what Danaerys might/could do if freeing of the slaves are any indication. With someone like Cersei, we know it's all about power with no real regard for general public. As long as she sits on the throne, she can do whatever, whenever and now that all her children are gone, do you really want to see that Cersei ruling the 7 kingdoms?
#TeamRhaegar
 

smallcoffee

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I know for me, I'm rooting for the Targaryan because at least theres good intentions of what Danaerys might/could do if freeing of the slaves are any indication. With someone like Cersei, we know it's all about power with no real regard for general public. As long as she sits on the throne, she can do whatever, whenever and now that all her children are gone, do you really want to see that Cersei ruling the 7 kingdoms?

Not really, but I don't like the Targaryans either.
 

Roller

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I know for me, I'm rooting for the Targaryan because at least theres good intentions of what Danaerys might/could do if freeing of the slaves are any indication. With someone like Cersei, we know it's all about power with no real regard for general public. As long as she sits on the throne, she can do whatever, whenever and now that all her children are gone, do you really want to see that Cersei ruling the 7 kingdoms?

I agree. In Game of Thrones' world, you have to be ready to kill to survive, as Eddard Stark did when he beheaded Will for deserting the Night's Watch in the first episode and as his younger self probably murdered the women who were watching over Lyanna in the Tower of Joy so that they couldn't divulge the secret of Jon's origin.

Dany, Arya, and Sansa have also grown much more ruthless over time and now sometimes enjoy watching people die, even if they're enemies. Of them, Dany is the only one who's in a position to potentially rule the seven kingdoms. I think there's a lot of integrity in her yet, especially compared to Cersei, and maybe even compared to Sansa and Arya. I'm still rooting for the surviving Stark women, but I can't say that I like them much anymore.

Of all the major and near-major characters, the only one who maintains some innocence is Sam. Sure, he's seen horrible things and killed a white walker, but he still has a strong sense of wonderment and wants to do good. That's why I loved the scene where he walked into the library in Oldtown, as brief as it was. But I worry about a coming confrontation with his father over stealing Heartsbane. I can see Sam killing Randyll with his own sword and also losing his innocence.
 

fitshaced

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I think Emilia Clarke over acts a bit and I find her a bit out of class when compared to the rest of the high quality cast. She narrows her eyes to show her wisdom and courage. That's really all she does. I think that is one role that could have been casted better. Her and Caitlyn Tully.

But, I find the story of her quest to be a bit boring anyway as it tends to just lead to her squinting her eyes and then bringing out the dragon. The battles of the other houses are far more unpredictable.
 

iLog.Genius

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I think Emilia Clarke over acts a bit and I find her a bit out of class when compared to the rest of the high quality cast. She narrows her eyes to show her wisdom and courage. That's really all she does. I think that is one role that could have been casted better. Her and Caitlyn Tully.

While I like Emilia Clark as Daenerys, I can see why some may not be completely satisfied with her in that role but absolutely disagree with you on Michelle Fairley as Caitlyn Stark. She absolutely killed it in the Red Wedding scene.
 
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