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smallcoffee

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Drogon and Rhaegal seemed to be MIA towards the end of the battle whereas Viserion was still wrecking havoc. Well Drogon came back to morn the loss of Sir Jorah but that was all we saw of him in the last 20 minutes.

I’m starting to doubt that George RR Martin Will ever release another book in the song of ice of fire series so I’m never going to get a conclusion to the ‘real story’.

Well the one dragon was undead so he’s got infinite energy lol otherwise the throat being ripped out kind of kills you.

I thought the sound effects for the undead dragon were awesome too. The fire had this like icy noise to it.
 

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Regarding The Dark episode (S8E3):
Game of Thrones’ cinematographer addresses complaints that Battle of Winterfell episode was too dark
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...plaints-battle-of-winterfell-episode-too-dark
Fabian Wagner, the cinematographer behind “The Long Night” episode, told TMZ he is aware of the complaints but insisted he isn’t at fault.
"We tried to give the viewers and fans a cool episode to watch," Wagner said. "I know it wasn't too dark because I shot it."
Wagner said the dark lighting was intentional, but believed HBO’s video compression of the episode decreased the visual quality, causing added pixelation and darkened colors. He said this was worse for those viewing the show on a streaming service with a weak connection or in a well-lit room.


Drogon and Rhaegal seemed to be MIA towards the end of the battle whereas Viserion was still wrecking havoc. Well Drogon came back to morn the loss of Sir Jorah but that was all we saw of him in the last 20 minutes.

I’m starting to doubt that George RR Martin Will ever release another book in the song of ice of fire series so I’m never going to get a conclusion to the ‘real story’.
So do we still have two operable dragons? I saw Jon Snow’s dragon hit the ground, but it was not definitively fatal. I assume it is still alive.
 

ritmomundo

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The show was dark because that was what would have been realistic in that setting (the north) at that time of the chronological year (winter).

Winterfell lies in the north, and - the whole point of the chronology of the story - we are now in winter, where the quality of light is poor, even in daylight.

Therefore, outside, it is going to be dark, and dim, and hard to see in both day and night because we are now in winter, where the natural light in the north will be limited.

The series reflects this, and wished to use the sort of natural light that would have been experienced by such characters in a medieval setting during a battle in the depths of winter. And remember how much the books have made of the passing of the seasons, with a formal declaration of when autumn and winter have come to pass - this is important to the plot.

Likewise, the arrival of spring will be of equal importance and will herald the end of the story.

Even inside, in interior shots, it is quite dark. This is because, even for the wealthy, beeswax candles were expensive, and were used sparingly, except for celebrations and banquets, when being able to afford to light your castle/dwelling/palace indoors with the generous use of beeswax candles was a sign of considerable wealth.

I have been in castles where large mirrors are placed over mantelpieces; this was not for reasons of vanity, or of fashion, it was explained to me, but rather, it was intended to amplify whatever light - candle light - was available at the time.

In essence, the mirror reflected the light, thereby amplifying it. That the wealthy needed to be able to amplify light informs us that even the well off could not afford to be needlessly profligate with beeswax candles.
Darkness was fully justified. The issue was that many TVs by default couldn't handle the level of darkness (without adjusting display settings or maybe just the capability of the TV). My HDTV crushes blacks like no one's business (which made the first 10 minutes or so of this episode very difficult for me to watch) but I found that my 5K iMac successfully separates blacks and displays the episode very clearly (which is where I will be doing my second viewing, despite the smaller screen).

This photo (not mine, but found online) shows the difference after some setting adjustments:
ics2KMR.jpg
 

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Darkness was fully justified. The issue was that many TVs by default couldn't handle the level of darkness (without adjusting display settings or maybe just the capability of the TV). My HDTV crushes blacks like no one's business (which made the first 10 minutes or so of this episode very difficult for me to watch) but I found that my 5K iMac successfully separates blacks and displays the episode very clearly (which is where I will be doing my second viewing, despite the smaller screen).

This photo (not mine, but found online) shows the difference after some setting adjustments:
ics2KMR.jpg

Yea that would make me complain. I had all the lights off and saw picture similar to the bottom one.
 

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Drogon and Rhaegal seemed to be MIA towards the end of the battle whereas Viserion was still wrecking havoc. Well Drogon came back to morn the loss of Sir Jorah but that was all we saw of him in the last 20 minutes.
That's not that hard to believe. Viserion is dead and, like the wights, has infinite metabolism. It's pretty clear Rhaegal was defeated and Drogon was preoccupied. It's not particularly surprising either of them survived the events.

What is a bit surprising is how Viserion did not go for the kill against either of the living dragons.
 

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I will not last through the last 3 ep's of GOT. Wife will watch it, but I gave up on it long ago.

Just T&A, and all the sense numbing violence that it's possible to cram into a short span of time, is all these episodes seem to have been made of.

GOT was indeed a "spectacular" and the biggest "soap seller" of all times,

But as for me, I didn't even like the dragons,(way too mean LOL). a2
GOT portrays so called "human experience" pretty well, maybe except dragons and magic. Would recommend to listen to "Hardcore History" by Dan Carlin or "History on Fire" by Danielle Bolelli. "Game of Thrones" as well as "A Song of Ice and Fire" shows tame version of what us humans did to each other during our history.
 

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That's not that hard to believe. Viserion is dead and, like the wights, has infinite metabolism. It's pretty clear Rhaegal was defeated and Drogon was preoccupied. It's not particularly surprising either of them survived the events.

What is a bit surprising is how Viserion did not go for the kill against either of the living dragons.

You mean why Drogon and Rhaegal didn’t finish Viserion? They just ripped his throat in half.
 

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Totally love GoT but there was one very big and unexpected take away from S8E3 that has nothing to do with the episode itself… how much I gotta buy me an OLED TV!! Don't get me wrong, my 6 year old LCD TV stood up extremely well compared to many of my friends who were all mentioning the darkness of the whole episode… but if there was anything that screamed "buy an OLED" this was it!
 

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You mean why Drogon and Rhaegal didn’t finish Viserion? They just ripped his throat in half.
Yeah, but that didn't accomplish anything. Viserion was still firing on all cylinders. He is forced alive by magic. it's surprising he didn't try to kill rhaegal who was severely weakened.
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Totally love GoT but there was one very big and unexpected take away from S8E3 that has nothing to do with the episode itself… how much I gotta buy me an OLED TV!! Don't get me wrong, my 6 year old LCD TV stood up extremely well compared to many of my friends who were all mentioning the darkness of the whole episode… but if there was anything that screamed "buy an OLED" this was it!
My wife was so thankful for our dimmable lights and the OLED TV. SpouseWIN
 

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i watched all previous seasons on blu-ray. when i saw the first episode of this season, i found it lacking in depth visually.
i am streaming.
 

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Yeah, but that didn't accomplish anything. Viserion was still firing on all cylinders. He is forced alive by magic. it's surprising he didn't try to kill rhaegal who was severely weakened.
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My wife was so thankful for our dimmable lights and the OLED TV. SpouseWIN

What if they ripped his head off?
 

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Do you remember why the undead dragon had blue flames leaking out of his throat?
You're lost, it seems.

He was the only one still fighting at the end. Instead of raining fire on Winterfell you would think he would have killed Rhaegal. With the Night King alive, Viserion has literally unlimited stamina. With Drogon preoccupied with protecting dany and getting the wights off him, Rhaegal was exposed.
 

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I loved the episode! I was sure the Night King was going down in this ep, but less so as the episode unfolded. Should have seen it would be Arya doing the deed...nice surprise. A loud cheer went up in our living room.

BTW, whoever said Hot Pie would end up on the throne...good one LoL
 

Infinite Vortex

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Should have seen it would be Arya doing the deed...nice surprise.

It was sort funny though… Arya being the emeritus level assassin you'd think she'd know that if you want to sneak up on someone to whack 'em one in the back you do it without making such a racket. :rolleyes:
 
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You're lost, it seems.

He was the only one still fighting at the end. Instead of raining fire on Winterfell you would think he would have killed Rhaegal. With the Night King alive, Viserion has literally unlimited stamina. With Drogon preoccupied with protecting dany and getting the wights off him, Rhaegal was exposed.

What am I lost about? Two dragons ripped the throat off of one dragon. Why couldn’t they just go back and kill the one dragon?
 

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Regarding The Dark episode (S8E3):
Game of Thrones’ cinematographer addresses complaints that Battle of Winterfell episode was too dark
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...plaints-battle-of-winterfell-episode-too-dark
Fabian Wagner, the cinematographer behind “The Long Night” episode, told TMZ he is aware of the complaints but insisted he isn’t at fault.
"We tried to give the viewers and fans a cool episode to watch," Wagner said. "I know it wasn't too dark because I shot it."
Wagner said the dark lighting was intentional, but believed HBO’s video compression of the episode decreased the visual quality, causing added pixelation and darkened colors. He said this was worse for those viewing the show on a streaming service with a weak connection or in a well-lit room.



So do we still have two operable dragons? I saw Jon Snow’s dragon hit the ground, but it was not definitively fatal. I assume it is still alive.

The cinematographer is an arrogant idiot.
Essentially he said “we’re watching it wrong”.
 

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Darkness was fully justified. The issue was that many TVs by default couldn't handle the level of darkness (without adjusting display settings or maybe just the capability of the TV). My HDTV crushes blacks like no one's business (which made the first 10 minutes or so of this episode very difficult for me to watch) but I found that my 5K iMac successfully separates blacks and displays the episode very clearly (which is where I will be doing my second viewing, despite the smaller screen).

This photo (not mine, but found online) shows the difference after some setting adjustments:
ics2KMR.jpg
Imo, they can do night and not have it pitch black. Watching this episode at times was almost like watching it with tunnel vision, where only a small central area was visible, where we sort of got a glimpse. And I find it hard to believe there was no technical expertise among the tech crew involved, who could not of anticipated what “streaming compression” would do to the images.
 

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Imo, they can do night and not have it pitch black. Watching this episode at times was almost like watching it with tunnel vision, where only a small central area was visible, where we sort of got a glimpse. And I find it hard to believe there was no technical expertise among the tech crew involved, who could not of anticipated what “streaming compression” would do to the images.

Compression does make a difference, as do the type, quality, and settings of the display. I agree that this episode was dark and affected by streaming. When I watched it, though, the frenetic pace of the battle action was occasionally more of a problem than lighting — a lot was happening quickly, which sometimes made it hard to follow. I had similar issues viewing The Battle of the Bastards, although that was much brighter.

TBH, I often have more difficulty with sound, as in the scene with Arya and Melisandre. Unless I keep the volume on my sound system high, quiet dialog can be hard to hear, but I avoid that because there are many loud passages as well, and I try to be respectful of my apartment neighbors, who don't want to think that I have a dragon next door.
 
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