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Gaming performance reports in osx from nMP owners?
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Yep, completely agree with this. If anything, PS4/Xbox One is not getting any better (well, of course it's technically better) but the lockdown and proprietary scheme are killing it. Not to mention like you said, they use PC components now.
My old PS3 games are now obsolete, I cannot sell it either because everyone's getting PS4, in the end they become vintage collector items
While PC games last forever. I can still play Diablo II on today's PC should I choose to for whatever reasons.
I wish consoles getting phased out. Steambox is something what we need for dedicated gaming machine. I love it for having lots of components to choose from depends on your budget and needs. All while being connected to the big screen and sound system. No compromise.
hahaha I have to laugh when the 'fanboy's' complain about consoles, consoles demise is assured as the PC's demise is FACT, the millions and millions and millions of them sold and the exclusive games see to that if nothing else. Also the argument about the GPU upgrades is flawed too in regards to pricing because dual D700's would cost me LESS than a single 780Ti on a 6 core Mac Pro. So I get the same performance for less money with the GPU's.
My reference to the fans also relates to those who utterly believe you cannot game on a Mac, yet they are more than capable of it.
And as for I can build this or that for this much etc, great, but that is pointless as the CPU on a gaming PC costs quite a lot less than a Xeon in the Mac Pro.
And reading your comment, you are thinking in terms of building your own computer, but that's not a comparison is it? Because like for like would be comparing an Alienware or something, you loose whatever standard card that comes with to upgrade to the 780Ti for instance.
Otherwise we may as well compare a Hackintosh build, IMO
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Steambox is nothing more then a PC in disguise and has ridiculous pricing on some of the versions shown. What driver support is their for instance in Steam OS if you want to upgrade your GPU in the future so you can make your Steambox last 6 years?
Yes. It's a custom built PC, strictly running OS for gaming purpose, no more and no less. So what?
If somehow Steam OS turned out to be too slow on updates, or maybe become a flop and dead, I can still install Windows in it strictly for gaming.
Pricing is to be varied too. You can get a Steambox for less than $500, or going all out with the latest and fastest if you want. That's the beauty of it.
I can upgrade my graphic every 2 or 3 years and it's still cost less than the new MacPro. I don't build workstation here. It's built for fun in mind.
Not all people need or willing to pay for a six core Xeon now, do they? Especially when it comes to gaming, does a 12 core Xeon gives three times more FPS than a quad core i5? Whoops ..
And which gaming team is that? Considering the majority of Mac computers use integrated graphic from Intel, I wonder what kind of games it could be?
Yep .. Cut the Rope 2 it is.
Of course nMP is not for "all people" and Xeon CPUs are not for "all people". I don't recall Apple ever said it was. What is the point of comparing a custom-made gaming-dedicated machine (or even a pre-made one) with the nMP, under the context of possible alternates for gaming ?
This can be reversed easily: Try to achieve the stunning performance of nMP in video editing with any gaming PC - well, you can't. If you tell me this comparison is pretty unfair, you're right.
I think posts in this thread are starting to go off-topic. The original post was about reporting any gaming experience of the nMP owners, on OS X side. Not about investigating how nMP stands as a dedicated gaming machine, or how much better someone would be by building a 780-based PC or buying a steam box or whatever.
The other poster said that for the price of a D700 "upgrade", you can't get something equivalent in the PC realm. I showed him that's not even remotely true, and he replied that he meant for the price of upgrading a D500 to a D700--referring to the standard GPU in the hex core. He just moved the goal post, making more specific and qualifying statements that are now ultimately meaningless.
Not only did iSayuSay not start this line of gibberish, but he bravely trudged into it in a vain attempt to talk some sense into this person. I am not so brave, seems like a lost cause.
In Final Cut Pro, you're right--but only because that program isn't for Windows and specifically optimized for the nMP. As far as the any "gaming PC" and using a program like Premier, you're way off. I can make one for $4,000 that will smoke the nMP hexcore in every video-related task and have the hard drive capacity to actually be useful without even buying a TB enclosure. The nMP has numerous rather unique and expensive features which Apple is forcing users to pay for which have a high price/performance ratio, at least in Video editing.
Now, if you were talking about CAD or something, that may be different.
We're still waiting for someone to post something relevant on this issue, in the meantime, I wouldn't criticize any activity which bumps the thread back into visibility.
Last comment as this is clearly going to turn into a PC Elitist VS Mac Enthusiast argument and their is already enough FUD in here.
But you have just clearly displayed the Steambox main problem, market, is it aimed at PC and Mac buyers! Or console buyers? And the cheapest Steambox is still more than a PS4 and it has very low level hardware.
Console gamers do NOT buy a console to have the hassle of upgrading and taking it apart. And to an extent neither do Mac buyers. But we will see how the Steambox sells.
The other poster said that for the price of a D700 "upgrade", you can't get something equivalent in the PC realm. I showed him that's not even remotely true, and he replied that he meant for the price of upgrading a D500 to a D700--referring to the standard GPU in the hex core. He just moved the goal post, making more specific and qualifying statements that are now ultimately meaningless.
Not only did iSayuSay not start this line of gibberish, but he bravely trudged into it in a vain attempt to talk some sense into this person. I am not so brave, seems like a lost cause.
In Final Cut Pro, you're right--but only because that program isn't for Windows and specifically optimized for the nMP. As far as the any "gaming PC" and using a program like Premier, you're way off. I can make one for $4,000 that will smoke the nMP hexcore in every video-related task and have the hard drive capacity to actually be useful without even buying a TB enclosure. The nMP has numerous rather unique and expensive features which Apple is forcing users to pay for which have a high price/performance ratio, at least in Video editing.
Now, if you were talking about CAD or something, that may be different.
We're still waiting for someone to post something relevant on this issue, in the meantime, I wouldn't criticize any activity which bumps the thread back into visibility.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm just saying that this thread (according to its title) could be interesting for some - but it took a totally common and sad direction, like many other threads in this forum. It is becoming a whining about how the nMP is not the ideal gaming rig, how better would be someone if build a PC with Titan or 780 and all of this nonsense.
I assume the OP intended to create a thread where the nMP owners can post their experience with OS X gaming, so we can get some real-life results compared to iMac and MBP that we do know where they stand on that matter. I know I'd be interested to read how the nMP stands compared to the other Mac options (and I'm sure many others too).
I don't get how the nVidia 780, the Titan, the Steam Box, the PS4 etc etc fit in that context. We have so many threads with endless whining about how bad the nMP is for tasks that was never directed for, at first place...
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Your posts are argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, I suspect. In other words: you're trolling. Whip out some benchmarks to back your statements up. The usual suspects are FPS numbers in various triple-A games on varying levels of detail, resolution, and effects.
There are no top rated, current triple-A games available for Mac OS right now. Once today's triple-As become available on OS X, the games on Windows will have bumped to the next generation.
Running Windows on a Mac is a waste of a Mac. You can do it, sure. But it seems like a good way to hobble a piece of machinery with a ****** OS. However, let's assume someone installs Windows on a Mac Pro and then tries to run Battlefield 4. Ultra settings on the highest resolution available on whatever panel they're using. What kind of frame rate do you expect them to get?
My dual-overclocked Titan Windows gaming rig is locked at 60FPS because that's all the 3 panels can do (60Hz). I'm running Surround Video with a resolution of 5760x1200, on Ultra settings. I'm quite sure the Mac Pro, even with the D700s, couldn't do that smoothly.
But that's not what it's built for.
Oh, and consoles suck for FPS games. They always will suck for FPS games.
There are no top rated, current triple-A games available for Mac OS right now. Once today's triple-As become available on OS X, the games on Windows will have bumped to the next generation.
Running Windows on a Mac is a waste of a Mac. You can do it, sure. But it seems like a good way to hobble a piece of machinery with a ****** OS. However, let's assume someone installs Windows on a Mac Pro and then tries to run Battlefield 4. Ultra settings on the highest resolution available on whatever panel they're using. What kind of frame rate do you expect them to get?
My dual-overclocked Titan Windows gaming rig is locked at 60FPS because that's all the 3 panels can do (60Hz). I'm running Surround Video with a resolution of 5760x1200, on Ultra settings. I'm quite sure the Mac Pro, even with the D700s, couldn't do that smoothly.
But that's not what it's built for.
Oh, and consoles suck for FPS games. They always will suck for FPS games.
78 Fps, as Anandtech tested it, which is as high as 780Ti.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013/10
That's BF3: yesterday's triple-A title.
Today's is BF4, which is far more graphically and processor intensive.That's BF3: yesterday's triple-A title.
Ah ok, my mistake. Then you'd probably get whatever you are getting with a single 780Ti as their performance matches in titles which support Crossfire.
Right... I forgot there's AAA gams running fine on the Mac. I guess such game devs being in touch with Apple and said team are simply looking to make another Angry Birds...
Keep the sarcasm for yourself if you don't have anything of use to add, anyone can play that game and it's pretty useless to any conversation.
Like what AAA Mac games? Diablo III? Bioshock Infinite? The Witcher 2? It's not sarcasm when it's true.
All those titles available and running better under Windows. Same titles, same hardware, but Windows always give us higher FPS, go figure. OSX gaming is pathetic as it is.
You want to use your Mac to its fullest potential in gaming? Use Windows in BootCamp. End of story.
OSX is all work and no play, which is ironic since the old Mac vs. PC ads tried so hard to show you otherwise.
You don't have to boot to Windows to do gaming on the Mac. If the game runs perfectly fine on OS X, then play it that way. If and only if the game struggles to run on OS X yet has playable FPS under Windows, then it makes sense to reboot just for that. Or, and more importantly, if the game is NOT available for OS X, then be my guest and bootcamp of course.
I play World of Warcraft regularly, and it always had 15%'ish better fps under bootcamp, but I never used bootcamp for that. It's not worth the hustle and the playability is the same regardless of the raw fps.
That was my intention. There are many of us that game on OSX and would like to know how much better if at all the nMP will run games in OSX in comparison to other Macs. Unfortunately we've yet to see one report from anyone and I know there are some Mac Pros out there in peoples hands. I find it hard to believe that not even one person that has received their nMP in these forums plays games in OSX. As soon as we get the first report though I'll update the original post with the page number where results start or maybe I'll just edit the original post with the results that come in.
As someone else stated I'd rather see some kind of activity in this thread to keep it active and visible until we do get some reports BUT there is at least one person (I think we all know who I'm talking about) in this thread that has been toxic. Trolling and arguing for arguments sake is not cool. Nothing wrong with having an intelligent discussion related to the topic but trolling is a different story.
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Your posts are toxic, very combative and confrontational, bordering on offensive. If I was a mod on these forums you'd be banned from posting here. If your only purpose is to argue in life and on these forums then why don't you find a more constructive outlet for that? These are Mac forums and trying to shove Windows down peoples throats is a pretty worthless use of your time and only serves to incite others and aggravate.
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Good to know.
I imagine some other games get better performance on the PC, and that horse has been beaten enough here already.
The real question we should get back to is do the D500 or the D700 give any significant performance increase over the D300, and if so, in what cases?
Um. But he's right? He's not trying to "shove Windows down" your throat, he's pointing out that if you want to play triple-A titles at their maximum potential, running them in OS X is a waste of time. That's assuming they're even available in OS X.
He's done nothing to deserve any sort of ban hammer. Stop being so sensitive; grow yourself a thicker skin.
What he doesn't seem to get is the title of the thread isn't, "what would be better for game performance, OSX or Windows". I'm personally not stupid as I'm sure many others here aren't as well. It's pretty freaking obvious that Windows is going to run games better, in your own words it's a "waste of time" to point that out. Thanks for that brilliant conclusion though to Mr. Obvious.
The purpose of this thread is to collect gaming performance reports in OSX specifically on the nMP. If people want to provide gaming performance under Windows in bootcamp then I'm fine with that as well but that wasn't my purpose behind the thread.
If you're coming in this thread to sing the praises of Windows for gaming you're wasting your breath because everyone on the planet already knows this and you're likely just looking to incite an argument.
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