Gave up on Note 8 after 4 days...

[spinedoc77]

Between trusted places, trusted devices, fp, iris, and face scan. I think they’ve packed the device with plenty of security options.

But none of them are optimal IMO. Face recognition doesn't work in dim light or the dark, and you face has to be in front of the camera. Iris recognition you really have the put the phone right in front of your eyes and it's slow. Trusted places/devices means you have NO security while active. You didn't mention the fp sensor that's on the back, so hard to use while it's on a desk or a car cradle, and is so far high and off center that you are happy if you don't drop the phone.

 

[jamesrick80]

But none of them are optimal IMO. Face recognition doesn't work in dim light or the dark, and you face has to be in front of the camera. Iris recognition you really have the put the phone right in front of your eyes and it's slow. Trusted places/devices means you have NO security while active. You didn't mention the fp sensor that's on the back, so hard to use while it's on a desk or a car cradle, and is so far high and off center that you are happy if you don't drop the phone.

Fingerprint scanner may be in awkward position but works perfectly on both my note 8 and S8 plus. Between fingerprint scanner and Iris recognition. I have had no issues but I have been using face recognition and fingerprint scanner lately and enjoying the conveniences. No one should have any trouble at least unlocking modern devices. If you are, use a pin.

I believe the under the screen fingerprint reader and 3D face recognition in combination will be the perfect tag team biometric options.

 

[spinedoc77]

Fingerprint scanner may be in awkward position but works perfectly on both my note 8 and S8 plus. Between fingerprint scanner and Iris recognition. I have had no issues but I have been using face recognition and fingerprint scanner lately and enjoying the conveniences. No one should have any trouble at least unlocking modern devices. If you are, use a pin.

Lots have had trouble and they've stated so. But as I've said, I'm not knocking the phone, I just didn't like the security options for the reasons I've stated above. I don't have to use a pin, I just returned the phone.

 

[pdqgp]

But none of them are optimal IMO. Face recognition doesn't work in dim light or the dark, and you face has to be in front of the camera. Iris recognition you really have the put the phone right in front of your eyes and it's slow. Trusted places/devices means you have NO security while active. You didn't mention the fp sensor that's on the back, so hard to use while it's on a desk or a car cradle, and is so far high and off center that you are happy if you don't drop the phone.

I can't speak to facial recognition as I use IRIS scanning and Pin code primarily but I do and find it works well. It's actually pretty fast for me. Now in very dim lighting such as where I'm sitting now in my study, it's not blazing fast but it's understandable as it has to use what ambient light it has. It works though and thus it's secure.

I also don't mind trusted places as you have to make sure the trusted place is actually one where you feel safe enough to leave your device. If people mark their work/office building as a trusted place then don't leave your device in the break room. However, if you leave it in your home, then I would say that it's a safe place. My car is a safe place, in range of my watch is a safe place (the latter being linked to via Bluetooth) which is a great option.

Fingerprint wise, I have to disagree. I have a far far more secure grip on my phone using the rear print sensor than I ever could have using the home button. My thumb is on one side, and my other three fingers on the other holding it quite securely as my index finger is against the sensor. I just don't see how you could drop it with a proper grip using the sensor. You actually DON"T want it in the center unless you have midget hands.

 

[1BadManVan]

I honestly didn’t mind the finger print location on the note 8 when I had it, was easy and fast, not sure why all the complaints, and that’s after years of having the iPhone finger print sensor.

 

[Tsepz]

So after being underwhelmed by this Apple release, I decided to give Android a go for the first time. Figured I'd splurge on top of the line with the Note 8.

First off, it's an amazing performing phone. But the thing that I couldn't get past is the lack of a home button. I never realized how much I use my phone sitting on my desk or table, and the hover my face over or pickup to use thumb reader on back started getting old fast.

I think this is the same issue many people will have with the iPhone X, but only time will tell.

Guess I'm not ready to give up a muscle memory convenience, so I placed an order for iPhone 8+. I was really looking forward to having emulators with me all the time. O well.

You tried it and it wasn't for you. At least you gave it a go.

All the best with the iPhone 8 Plus!;

 

[Zipster3]

I could never own a phone with the FP on the back, FID and Iris no good for me either.

 

[IowaLynn]

When i pick up my Mate 9, fp on back, index finger on sensor is very natural. Only case it wouldn't, using the phone while left on surface and not picked up.

Folks been making noise claiming months before the Galaxy phones came out.

 

[spinedoc77]

I can't speak to facial recognition as I use IRIS scanning and Pin code primarily but I do and find it works well. It's actually pretty fast for me. Now in very dim lighting such as where I'm sitting now in my study, it's not blazing fast but it's understandable as it has to use what ambient light it has. It works though and thus it's secure.

I also don't mind trusted places as you have to make sure the trusted place is actually one where you feel safe enough to leave your device. If people mark their work/office building as a trusted place then don't leave your device in the break room. However, if you leave it in your home, then I would say that it's a safe place. My car is a safe place, in range of my watch is a safe place (the latter being linked to via Bluetooth) which is a great option.

Fingerprint wise, I have to disagree. I have a far far more secure grip on my phone using the rear print sensor than I ever could have using the home button. My thumb is on one side, and my other three fingers on the other holding it quite securely as my index finger is against the sensor. I just don't see how you could drop it with a proper grip using the sensor. You actually DON"T want it in the center unless you have midget hands.

Well we aren't disagreeing, it's just that we use our phones differently. Mostly during the day I'm either at my desk with my phone on the desk in front of me, I don;'t want to constantly be picking it up so I can access the fp reader on the back. Iris scanner is useless because I either have to pick up the phone and put it about 8 inches from my eyes, lined up with my eyes, or I have to contort myself and look straight down and close to the phone, and it's slow, 2-3 seconds is a lifetime when you are constantly opening your phone in that contorted position. The face recognition wouldn't be so bad during the day, except you still have to lean over the phone, which for me means either standing up and leaning over or picking up the phone anyway. Plus the Note 8 has a weird tendency to forget my face, making me have to reregister it. The other scenario in a typical day would be having it in my car cradle, makes the rear fp sensor, face recognition and iris scanner all useless unless I want to contort myself to be in front of the phone, or take it out of the cradle to use the fp sensor. My last scenario is during the night, I wake up for many things like checking my baby cam, adjusting my white noise or audible book, etc. Face rec is useless in the dark, I'm not going to put the phone in my face in the middle of the night for iris, maybe the rear fp sensor might not be so bad in that scenario though.

As for dropping the phone, I hear you but try holding the phone left handed and hitting the fp sensor. Even right handed it feels precarious because you have to crawl your hand UP the phone a bit, but no it's not that bad. But left handed forget about it.

But once again not disagreeing, we just use our phones differently. Once again I'm not taking anything away from the Note 8, it just didn't suit the way I wanted to use my phone.

 

[Phil A.]

is it really that bad of a location to put a fingerprint scanner? The home button made sense when there was an actual home button but now that so many are simply virtual buttons, what's wrong with the print scanner on the back?

On my S8, it's pretty much in a perfect position for me to reach it when I'm holding the phone and is actually more convenient than one on the home button would be. However, if the phone were any bigger (i.e. an S8+ or Note 8), I wouldn't be able to reach it without altering my grip / shuffling the phone around and I think that's where a lot of the frustration for the rear mounted FPS has come from

 

[convergent]

I don't think 4 days is nearly enough time to decide. I tried a Samsung Galaxy s5 for 6 months a few years back and I literally hated the experience, but I admit I didn't try hard to like it. I am really on the fence about what to do now. AT&T has a $300 credit on any Galaxy with trade in of any phone, so that s5 could get me a $300 credit. That brings the price of the Galaxy line down a lot. I don't care for the iPhone lineup that was just announced. I want a headphone jack, for one thing. I have no interest at this point in the X. The 8 seems like a step back in that its glass, so more fragile, and basically looks and feels like my 2 year old 6s+. But my whole family is on iPhones, largely because I've encouraged them not to get Android when they've wanted to. The 8+ may end up being the best option, and I'll be annoyed like heck with the stupid lack of a headphone jack. But I"d probably be more annoyed with other things with the Note 8. But nothing ventured, nothing gained... if I get a $300 credit, I should be able to sell it without a loss if I don't really like it. I need to make a decision in the next couple of days. Also would love to see what Google does next.

 

[1BadManVan]

I don't think 4 days is nearly enough time to decide. I tried a Samsung Galaxy s5 for 6 months a few years back and I literally hated the experience, but I admit I didn't try hard to like it. I am really on the fence about what to do now. AT&T has a $300 credit on any Galaxy with trade in of any phone, so that s5 could get me a $300 credit. That brings the price of the Galaxy line down a lot. I don't care for the iPhone lineup that was just announced. I want a headphone jack, for one thing. I have no interest at this point in the X. The 8 seems like a step back in that its glass, so more fragile, and basically looks and feels like my 2 year old 6s+. But my whole family is on iPhones, largely because I've encouraged them not to get Android when they've wanted to. The 8+ may end up being the best option, and I'll be annoyed like heck with the stupid lack of a headphone jack. But I"d probably be more annoyed with other things with the Note 8. But nothing ventured, nothing gained... if I get a $300 credit, I should be able to sell it without a loss if I don't really like it. I need to make a decision in the next couple of days. Also would love to see what Google does next.

If you’re not big into gaming you will love the note 8 experience, I loved it the very first day. They did a really good job on that phone, coming from a 6s plus myself it was a huge step up in all areas EXCEPT gaming. Unfortunately something android is still struggling in, most games ran ok, good graphics. But the in game screen response and fluidity just isn’t on the same level as an iPhone.

It’s a great multimedia powerhouse and that screen is in a league of its own. I still have regrets giving it back but I know I would really resent paying top dollar for a phone that couldn’t really deliver a really well rounded gaming experience. That’s a big usage for me and I really hoped android has ironed some things out a bit more. Maybe next year!

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

If you’re not big into gaming you will love the note 8 experience, I loved it the very first day. They did a really good job on that phone, coming from a 6s plus myself it was a huge step up in all areas EXCEPT gaming. Unfortunately something android is still struggling in, most games ran ok, good graphics. But the in game screen response and fluidity just isn’t on the same level as an iPhone.

It’s a great multimedia powerhouse and that screen is in a league of its own. I still have regrets giving it back but I know I would really resent paying top dollar for a phone that couldn’t really deliver a really well rounded gaming experience. That’s a big usage for me and I really hoped android has ironed some things out a bit more. Maybe next year!

I have no issues with gaming on the Note 8 vs on my iP7+. Some titles are occasionally sluggish or buggy on one or the other, but nothing major that truly sets either apart.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I have no issues with gaming on the Note 8 vs on my iP7+. Some titles are occasionally sluggish or buggy on one or the other, but nothing major that truly sets either apart.

I guess it depends on what type of games you play but mine are all angry birds esque so don't require a lot of horse power to run properly.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I guess it depends on what type of games you play but mine are all angry birds esque so don't require a lot of horse power to run properly.

Even with those type of games, it's still specific to the titles. Subway Surfers loads up quicker on iPhones, but Mario Run loads up quicker on Android phones.

 

[mi7chy]

People with four day experience are quick to judge a whole ecosystem based on one sub-standard Gameloft game and also not aware of the fact that a lot of iOS games are upscaled 750p resolution so not very taxing. Use a better and more taxing example like Sky Force Reloaded on nightmare difficulty and higher levels and compare with comparable resolution on iPhone X. Even Apple dropped Imagination Technologies because it's not so good beyond upscaled 750p.

 

[Tsepz]

Lol, the heaviest games I play are Asphalt and UFC and even then it's for no more than 30mins in a month, lol.

I game a little more in my iPad Air 2, but even there maybe twice a month when I am TRULY bored, and I have always seen frame drops.

I find Mobile Gaming annoying in general, even in the days of the Sony PSP, there is always limitations, at least the PSP hardware was a hell of a lot more controlled but still there was also battery life.

In the end I've always gone back to my PlayStation, at the moment its my PS4 1TB that does a far better job. I get the feeling that High Definition gaming is one area that will take another decade for Mobile to get right, it's just not right on any mobile platform, it's an insanely specialised area.

Even iOS is too fragmented for it to be great in gaming. A game developer has to take into consideration everything from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone X these days, with a lot of hardware differentiation including GPU manufacturers now and with that comes a great deal of imperfections and weird issues, I am realizing now that I actually hate Mobile Gaming, LOL I am a 90s kid, I've been playing PlayStation since its launch and games like Gran Tourismo have me expecting near flawless graphics.

I leave the HD gaming for the Gaming PC and Consoles.

Games like Temple Run and Angry Birds are perfect for Mobile, even the older arcade games like Battle City, Pacman, Double Dragon, Contra etc...

Even with those type of games, it's still specific to the titles. Subway Surfers loads up quicker on iPhones, but Mario Run loads up quicker on Android phones.

Very true. One of the best examples is Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, they have to update it for new hardware yearly as on new hardware the game gets jerky due to not being optimised for the newer hardware. GTA San Andreas is one ofy favourite all-time games but I dread opening it on any mobile device I have, as I have been truly disappointed each time.

Anyway, to each their own.

I have to say, these mobile phone makers have done a great job with Photography in Mobile, they even found a way to get depth and wide angles very well in phones, I mean they are not DSLRs, that's for sure, but it's truly amazing what has been achieved in this area. Maybe they will find a way in mobile gaming to.

I feel like with Gaming, phone makers are NOW where they were with Photography back in 2007/2008, if you remember how good the Nokia N82, Sony Ericsson C905, Samsung i8510 Innov8 and Motorola ZN5 were - they were good and a great glimpse forward to what could be achieved with mobile photography, but with that said they couldn't capture great depth and pixel peeping their shots would land you wondering WTF you were looking at.

Man, this post is much longer than I wanted it to be, lol.

 

[hockeyfan81]

I honestly didn’t mind the finger print location on the note 8 when I had it, was easy and fast, not sure why all the complaints, and that’s after years of having the iPhone finger print sensor.

It's faster but not that accurate.

 

[torana355]

Actually many do on the android forums. I'm sure some owners here agree after a few weeks.

Yep after a few weeks it becomes very easy to use. I have retina scan and FPS and between the 2 its pretty seamless. A FPS under the screen is the endgame for sure but till then im happy with the FPS on the back.
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Maybe they wanted a physical home button, not a mythical one under the screen somewhere.

Your posts are poop. Go troll somewhere else. Its clear if you read this thread that the OP is referring to a FPS not a home button.

 

[Zipster3]

Your posts are poop. Go troll somewhere else. Its clear if you read this thread that the OP is referring to a FPS not a home button.

Nice. TID is in the home button if you didnt know. One reason i am not interested in a X.

 

[Voodoochild346]

Maybe they wanted a physical home button, not a mythical one under the screen somewhere.

The home button on the Note 8 works pretty damn good. More manufacturers should copy that idea. It gives you more screen real estate while retaining the functionality of a physical button. After the learning curve of remembering where it is, it's honestly second nature. I don't even think about it any more.

 

[Yankee512]

The home button on the Note 8 works pretty damn good. More manufacturers should copy that idea. It gives you more screen real estate while retaining the functionality of a physical button. After the learning curve of remembering where it is, it's honestly second nature. I don't even think about it any more.

Yep and it gets high praise in reviews. Even one review said Apple should have copied that.

 

[Technarchy]

I honestly didn’t mind the finger print location on the note 8 when I had it, was easy and fast, not sure why all the complaints, and that’s after years of having the iPhone finger print sensor.

I feel the same way about the finger print scanner on the S8+. Not a big deal at all.

Some people just like complaining about everything.

 

[Suckfest 9001]

Tried the Note 8 in the Rogers store yesterday. I'm actually really impressed with the display, and the performance seems to be very good as well. I'd probably never buy one though; I'm simply locked into the Apple ecosystem at this time. Also, it seems all Android phones have this first-touch response delay. You notice it when swiping up and down (lifting your finger off the screen between swipes). Something I'd probably never get used to... aside from that, it seems to be an excellent phone, and felt great in the hand.

 

[nia820]

Maybe its just me but I have adjusted to having no home button in just 24 hours of owning my s8.

I thought it would bother me but so far so good. Maybe I'm speaking too soon. But I really haven't felt a difference.

The navigation bar is always there so it's not an issue.

The controls may seem odd to you because you've never used an android before.