Gave up on Note 8 after 4 days...

[macjunk(ie)]

I agree with you. If this phone gets too slow/too much lag then I’ll have to transition back to Apple. I’m going to give Spotify a try I think too, how is it?
My iPad Mini which is like 3 years old will remain as well, just Incase I decide to use my Apple TV.
Although I might sell the ATV, Watch, Phone as a bundle.
Still need that iPad though.
I also realize my Series 2 Watch is laggy as well...
Played around More with the Samsung today and liked it.

No issues with Spotify at all for my usage. I like it a bit better maybe because of the dark UI. Apple Music lights a torch on my face when I am listening to my tunes in bed. So this is nice. Other than that....don't see any difference.

By the way, AW is laggy after the recent software update? I thought it was pretty good the last time I tried it on.

 

[Dodgeman]

No issues with Spotify at all for my usage. I like it a bit better maybe because of the dark UI. Apple Music lights a torch on my face when I am listening to my tunes in bed. So this is nice. Other than that....don't see any difference.

By the way, AW is laggy after the recent software update? I thought it was pretty good the last time I tried it on.

For me. Seems like it takes a while to access my text and send off.

 

[convergent]

I agree with you. If this phone gets too slow/too much lag then I’ll have to transition back to Apple. I’m going to give Spotify a try I think too, how is it?
My iPad Mini which is like 3 years old will remain as well, just Incase I decide to use my Apple TV.
Although I might sell the ATV, Watch, Phone as a bundle.
Still need that iPad though.
I also realize my Series 2 Watch is laggy as well...
Played around More with the Samsung today and liked it.

One thing that is kind of puzzling me, not having used Android or Samsung a lot. I keep hearing that after 6 months they slow down. So why not just take an hour and do a factory reset a couple times a year? Sure, its not something you should have to do, but what's the big deal with doing that? If you like the device and experience, I would just consider it maintenance.

 

[michael9891]

One thing that is kind of puzzling me, not having used Android or Samsung a lot. I keep hearing that after 6 months they slow down. So why not just take an hour and do a factory reset a couple times a year? Sure, its not something you should have to do, but what's the big deal with doing that? If you like the device and experience, I would just consider it maintenance.

Very good point. A couple of hours once every 6 months isn't much hassle if you're enjoying the phone.

 

[IowaLynn]

I don't think it is Android only issue. Updates patching apps and sometimes an update really needs it's cache cleaned.

Wiping the cache area is also common voodoo fix.

A clean install with OS X was something some did regularly. Is iOS different? Immune from effects of updates?

Internal storage today is using faster bus with USF 2.1. Apple's new file system can improve performance.

What a reset, full factory level or just personal data and settings, is the same logic as traditional clean install or optimization (can we do a full restore from backup?).

My two latest phones with UFS 2 show remarkable improvements. And maybe faster memory. Along with better processors. Sound like the checklist from desktop.

 

[Yankee512]

You might look at a Surface Pro. I love it and replaced my home Mac, work Windows laptop, and iPad.

I am in trial with Spotify and it's fine by me. Not much difference to Apple Music. Will need to move over the family.

I wouldn't. There are hints Microsoft is soon to drop the hardware business due to such poor reliability ratings. I went through 3 Surface Pro 4s with different issues. I won't buy another piece of hardware from them again. Lenovo all the way.

 

[convergent]

I wouldn't. There are hints Microsoft is soon to drop the hardware business due to such poor reliability ratings. I went through 3 Surface Pro 3s with different issues. I won't buy another piece of hardware from them again. Lenovo all the way.

The rumor you are referring to from the other thread is total speculation from one guy, that is completely counter to any logic. Its clickbait. I will be very shocked if Microsoft kills the Surface line.

The new Surface Pro is the best computer I've ever owned in terms of what its done for my productivity. There was a post here a while back from JD Power & Assoc. that Surface owners had higher satisfaction than iPad owners.

But when I said Surface Pro, I didn't really mean that exact product. Lenovo, Dell, HP, Samsung, Acer, and others have Surface clones that provide a very similar experience. So I was meaning that a detachable screen Windows tablet could be a solution for your laptop / tablet needs. Its working out great for me.

 

[Yankee512]

The rumor you are referring to from the other thread is total speculation from one guy, that is completely counter to any logic. Its clickbait. I will be very shocked if Microsoft kills the Surface line.

The new Surface Pro is the best computer I've ever owned in terms of what its done for my productivity. There was a post here a while back from JD Power & Assoc. that Surface owners had higher satisfaction than iPad owners.

But when I said Surface Pro, I didn't really mean that exact product. Lenovo, Dell, HP, Samsung, Acer, and others have Surface clones that provide a very similar experience. So I was meaning that a detachable screen Windows tablet could be a solution for your laptop / tablet needs. Its working out great for me.

I meant to say SP4's not 3s that I had.

 

[FFR]

The rumor you are referring to from the other thread is total speculation from one guy, that is completely counter to any logic. Its clickbait. I will be very shocked if Microsoft kills the Surface line.

The new Surface Pro is the best computer I've ever owned in terms of what its done for my productivity. There was a post here a while back from JD Power & Assoc. that Surface owners had higher satisfaction than iPad owners.

But when I said Surface Pro, I didn't really mean that exact product. Lenovo, Dell, HP, Samsung, Acer, and others have Surface clones that provide a very similar experience. So I was meaning that a detachable screen Windows tablet could be a solution for your laptop / tablet needs. Its working out great for me.

Same thing was said about the zune, Windows mobile, Microsoft kin, windows phone 7, windows phone 8, windows phone 8.1 and windows 10 mobile.

And now it’s being said about the surface.
Microsoft does have a trend with killing off their hardware initiative, profitability does factor in.

 

[Yankee512]

Looks like it's pretty definite.

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...ork-ridden-surface-line-up-by-2019-apparently

MICROSOFT WILL BIN its Surface laptop line-up by 2019, if remarks made by Canalys CEO Steve Brazier are to be believed.

As reported by The Register, which attended the Canalys Channels Forum, Brazier said that Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is a "software guy, a cloud guy", hinting that the firm's bork-ridden Surface laptops and tablets are likely to go the same way as the firm's all-but-defunct smartphone division.

"The Surface performance is choppy; there are good quarters and bad quarters, overall they are not making money. It doesn't make sense for them to be in this business," Brazier remarked.

"When the capital expenditure challenge that Satya Nadella has taken Microsoft down becomes visible to Wall Street, everyone will ask him 'Why have you gone to a low margin business?'"

Brazier has a point. Last quarter, Microsoft's Surface revenue was down 2 per cent, and dropped a massive 26 per cent year-on-year in the previous quarter. The devices have been plagued with issues, too, which Microsoft has blamed on Intel's Skylake chips.

Passing the buck didn't stop Consumer Reports yanking its "recommended" label from the Surface line-up, though. It slammed the hardware "significantly less reliable than most other brands" after finding that one in four Surface owners were being plagued with "problems by the end of the second year of ownership."

Related: Microsoft kills Groove Music in Spotify deal and issues bewildering FAQ

Brazier's predictions were backed up by Gianfranco Lanci, corporate VP and COO of Lenovo, who joined the Canalys CEO on stage.

"Microsoft is making a lot of money on cloud, making a lot of money on Windows and Office, but losing a lot of money on devices," he said.

"Frankly speaking, it is difficult to see why they should keep losing money. For them it is a very difficult exercise to run hardware products business, they need to be careful about every single detail as the margin on this is so thin." µ

 

[convergent]

Same thing was said about the zune, Windows mobile, Microsoft kin, windows phone 7, windows phone 8, windows phone 8.1 and windows 10 mobile.

And now it’s being said about the surface.
Microsoft does have a trend with killing off their hardware initiative, profitability does factor in.

Most of the items on your list were different versions of the same thing. We don't say that Apple is killing off iOS 9 when they go to iOS 10. Microsoft didn't quickly throw in the towel on a Windows Mobile platform, and really still hasn't.

The Zune and Kin are not core to their business.

Windows is the heart of Microsoft, and the Surface hardware is their innovation lab and how they push their main channel to stretch. The people discussing Surface on this forum confuse Microsoft for Apple. They are not, and the Surface line can be wildly successful without volume. In fact, if it produced significant volume it would create channel conflict. Microsoft makes a lot of money when they lose a sale of Surface to another OEM. Apple does not.

 

[mclld]

I hope MS doesn't kill Xbox

 

[macjunk(ie)]

Very good point. A couple of hours once every 6 months isn't much hassle if you're enjoying the phone.

I have also setup the Note 8 to automatically reboot once every week.
This should take care of the rogue apps meandering along endlessly

 

[Dodgeman]

It’s still happening where these things are freezing and lagging?

 

[convergent]

I have also setup the Note 8 to automatically reboot once every week.
This should take care of the rogue apps meandering along endlessly

Good idea.

I had a rogue app yesterday start suck my battery (podcast addict), and the Note told me about it. Is that base Android or a Samsung thing? I had actually noticed it felt warm a few minutes prior. Was nice it told me. I uninstalled the app I got a different one for podcasts.

 

[macjunk(ie)]

Good idea.

I had a rogue app yesterday start suck my battery (podcast addict), and the Note told me about it. Is that base Android or a Samsung thing? I had actually noticed it felt warm a few minutes prior. Was nice it told me. I uninstalled the app I got a different one for podcasts.

Not sure. Android introduced doze in v6 I think and Samsung had their own version as well. At this point I am not sure who is monitoring the apps and I don't care add long as someone is doing their job

Apart from my launcher and WhatsApp ,I allow the phone to put all other apps top sleep when not in use

 

[spinedoc77]

Microsoft makes a lot of money when they lose a sale of Surface to another OEM. Apple does not.

Very good point, Microsoft still wants to sell its OS, it's cloud subscription services and have eyeballs on Bing and whatever else they track for marketing (Edge, Cortana?), as well as all it's apps such as Skype on the PC. The hardware is very much a vehicle, and in this sense they sort of resemble Google just a bit. I'd say the surface line has accomplished much of its purpose, which was to spur the oems to better design. Instead of seeing a netbook 2.0 age, the oems took the challenge and tablet/laptop hardware is quite nice today, in large part thanks to MS.

 

[Puddled]

Not sure. Android introduced doze in v6 I think and Samsung had their own version as well. At this point I am not sure who is monitoring the apps and I don't care add long as someone is doing their job

Apart from my launcher and WhatsApp ,I allow the phone to put all other apps top sleep when not in use

What pod cast app did you use instead?

 

[convergent]

What pod cast app did you use instead?

Podcast Player - Free, which shoes up as Player FM once installed. Just started using it, so not yet sure how it will work out.

 

[tbayrgs]

Podcast Player - Free, which shoes up as Player FM once installed. Just started using it, so not yet sure how it will work out.

Try Pocket Casts. Best podcast app I’ve used on either platform.

 

[convergent]

Try Pocket Casts. Best podcast app I’ve used on either platform.

I will if this doesn't work out, but so far I'm happy with it.

 

[Txguy82]

I switched from my 7 to the s8+ and I loved the screen display.. but that’s about it!

iPhone is my preference. Even with its 1080p the screen is perfect for everyday use to our normal apps.

Thankfully I didn’t sell or trade in my 7 to get the s8+. The phone is too damn big for my liking and as already mentioned, the lack of a home screen button was a no go for me. I gave up on the s8+ after 3.5 days. Returning that overpriced phone this weekend lol

 

[Yankee512]

Thought the s8 had the virtual home button? Mine works great. Over priced is the iPhone.

 

[Txguy82]

Thought the s8 had the virtual home button? Mine works great. Over priced is the iPhone.

To each their own bud!

 

[bopajuice]

I've noticed that most issues people have when going from one platform to another usually involves subtle nuanced differences. It seems both phones are great in their own right, but it usually comes down to something like a home button, or the color of the text bubbles, or the type of font, or some other minute little thing.

What I would like to know is how did the Op like using the phone? Did the apps work OK? Was the battery life any good? How about screen quality? Was the sound quality or quality of photos an issue? How did the email programs work? How was browsing, using maps, or getting directions? Those are the kind of differences that would make me return a phone or prefer one platform over another.
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I wouldn't. There are hints Microsoft is soon to drop the hardware business due to such poor reliability ratings. I went through 3 Surface Pro 4s with different issues. I won't buy another piece of hardware from them again. Lenovo all the way.

I've read here about users returning Apple laptops or phones five time or more for various issues until they get a good one.