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I can only speak for me but there is still quite a ways to go before android steps up. I use my phone like the average consumer likely does and these are where the rankings come in for me regarding different areas:

Phone calls - Tie between Android and IOS
Getting to visual voicemail - IOS wins
Email - Tie
Message app - IOS wins
Facetime - IOS wins
Internet experience - IOS wins
Camera - Tie for me, but many would say other than Pixel XL IOS wins
Music App - IOS wins
Handling of boarding passes for travel - IOS wins
Social Media - Tie for me
Lagginess- IOS wins
Battery life - IOS wins
Screen - Android wins (Specifically Galaxy S7)
Searching ease of use - IOS wins
Syncing with mac system - IOS wins

You can see for me IOS wins or ties every single category except Screen

SO I will agree that IOS fans are drip fed but that dripping still exceeds what Android offers.

So you are comparing the latest iPhone to a Galaxy S7? Clearly you like iOS better, so keep the iPhone. But your analysis is kind of whacked. Things like "Facetime - IOS wins" are a bit ridiculous to list. There are definitely pros and cons, but your analysis tells me you didn't really try to do an analysis.
 

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So you are comparing the latest iPhone to a Galaxy S7? Clearly you like iOS better, so keep the iPhone. But your analysis is kind of whacked. Things like "Facetime - IOS wins" are a bit ridiculous to list. There are definitely pros and cons, but your analysis tells me you didn't really try to do an analysis.

I really did. Facetime wasn't a deal breaker to me, but the people I would actually facetime with all have IOS. I knew that going in and if that was the only deficiency I would have been fine. Everything I read about the Galaxy S7 Edge vs the corresponding iphone at the time are pretty much the same things I read about the Note 8 now vs the corresponding iphone. My first month or so with the Galaxy S7 was fine. It only got worse after that. I cant dump this garbage fast enough after tomorrow. I left Iphone for S7 based on what I read. I do like the Edge though so I will say that is a plus feature.
 

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Almost used the Note 8 for two months. Battery life is terrible since I can get about 3.5-4.5 hrs SOT. Maybe 20 hrs on a full battery too. What to do? Don't want to go to an iPhone X.
 

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Almost used the Note 8 for two months. Battery life is terrible since I can get about 3.5-4.5 hrs SOT. Maybe 20 hrs on a full battery too. What to do? Don't want to go to an iPhone X.


Odd I find the battery really good. I see no difference between this and my 7 plus in usage.
 
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Odd I find the battery really good. I see no difference between this and my 7 plus in usage.

Same vs. 6s+ for me. If you are getting heavy battery usage, probably something it. The Note 8 has built in tools to help with find apps that are sucking the battery down.
 

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Odd I find the battery really good. I see no difference between this and my 7 plus in usage.

Given your UK location, is it safe to assume you have an Exynos model? That processor is much more optimized for the Galaxy line.
 

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Given your UK location, is it safe to assume you have an Exynos model? That processor is much more optimized for the Galaxy line.
I have no idea tbh which I have I am based in uk.
Given your UK location, is it safe to assume you have an Exynos model? That processor is much more optimized for the Galaxy line.

I would of thought so and yes I’m in the uk. Generally if I am using the phone hardcore all day tons of taking photos web browsing watching YouTube listening to Apple Music I would be about 20% at 12:00 am

Today I have only done web browsing WhatsApp and the odd video and now at 1:45 am I am at 60% batt.
 

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Given your UK location, is it safe to assume you have an Exynos model? That processor is much more optimized for the Galaxy line.
I'm getting 24 hours+ with 6 and a half hours of SOT before I go below 20% almost everyday and I live in Houston with a Snapdragon model. Depends on your settings and your coverage.
 

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I'm getting 24 hours+ with 6 and a half hours of SOT before I go below 20% almost everyday and I live in Houston with a Snapdragon model. Depends on your settings and your coverage.

I use Wi-Fi a lot because of bad signal at my jobs. Wi-Fi is intermittent at one of my jobs, so I have to use my data. I never use bluetooth. GPS is only on when I have my phone on charge. I keep WQHD+ as my resolution. Auto brightness. No NFC. AOD on from 10 am to 10pm. Always close apps from time to time in the background. Use the Samsung Device Manager to improve device stability with the RAM cleaner and battery life estimator settings. I don't have many wake locks from default. I really get about 4-4.5 SOT on my Note 8 on full battery.
 

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I use wqhd also nfc aod on all day, and I don’t even close apps. Only the ones I don’t use. I,don’t use auto brightness though that was setting it way to high. I do my brightness manually.
 

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I could, but what about the litany of hardware defects on the Pixel 2?

The smaller pixel, not the XL, doesn't have any defects.

-The clicking noise is being fixed in an update any day now. The iPhone 8 had a similar issue, that was fixed.

-The display on the smaller device is a Samsung OLED, and is perfectly fine. The colors are muted compared to a galaxy model, but a software update is going to allow you set a more saturated display mode. Honestly, the display looks very similar to the iPhone 8's with the true tone turned off.

Honestly, I have the XL, and had the smaller sized pixel. The smaller pixel is a great phone in all aspects, I just like a bigger screen.

Both phones have killer camera, software experience, battery life, etc.

I have considered going back to the note 8, but I just don't think I can give up the experience the pixel offers. I have also considered going back to the iPhone 8 plus (and ordering the X), but iOS seems less enjoyable in comparison (notifications, and google integration...plus $1400 for a phone bothers me).

Reviewers are stating that the later builds of the pixel XL seem to have a warmer display, and less blue shift. So I might just order another pixel XL 2, since it has given me the best experience on a phone I have had in a while.
 

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The smaller pixel, not the XL, doesn't have any defects.

-The clicking noise is being fixed in an update any day now. The iPhone 8 had a similar issue, that was fixed.

-The display on the smaller device is a Samsung OLED, and is perfectly fine. The colors are muted compared to a galaxy model, but a software update is going to allow you set a more saturated display mode. Honestly, the display looks very similar to the iPhone 8's with the true tone turned off.

Honestly, I have the XL, and had the smaller sized pixel. The smaller pixel is a great phone in all aspects, I just like a bigger screen.

Both phones have killer camera, software experience, battery life, etc.

I have considered going back to the note 8, but I just don't think I can give up the experience the pixel offers. I have also considered going back to the iPhone 8 plus (and ordering the X), but iOS seems less enjoyable in comparison (notifications, and google integration...plus $1400 for a phone bothers me).

Reviewers are stating that the later builds of the pixel XL seem to have a warmer display, and less blue shift. So I might just order another pixel XL 2, since it has given me the best experience on a phone I have had in a while.

I would go regular Pixel 2 if I got one. I like the Note 8, but it's too played safe with the small battery and the lack of carrier support sucks when it's a concerning glitch like constant reboots and freezing?

I might go iPhone X around Black Friday if there is a deal, but it's more out of anxiety over issues than by ideal situation. I prefer to ideally stay on the Note 8, but to actually enjoy the Note 8 without fear.
 

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Wow my battery life overall is a tad better than my 6s Plus so I'm surprised you're having such issues... I love the battery/power management feature in settings.

As long as I can use my phone the way I want to and have 25%+ by end of day, I have no stress/worries and it's all good.
 

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I get a full 19 hrs and 10 minutes estimate on a full battery. 59% after 5 hrs and change. Almost 2 hrs screen on time. All on signal no wifi.
 

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I get a full 19 hrs and 10 minutes estimate on a full battery. 59% after 5 hrs and change. Almost 2 hrs screen on time. All on signal no wifi.

But is it searching for signal or is it turned off?

I just switched to Fi and it's helped my battery life quite a bit because it's not always searching for a nonexistent signal.
 

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I can only speak for me but there is still quite a ways to go before android steps up. I use my phone like the average consumer likely does and these are where the rankings come in for me regarding different areas:

Phone calls - Tie between Android and IOS
Getting to visual voicemail - IOS wins
Email - Tie
Message app - IOS wins
Facetime - IOS wins
Internet experience - IOS wins
Camera - Tie for me, but many would say other than Pixel XL IOS wins
Music App - IOS wins
Handling of boarding passes for travel - IOS wins
Social Media - Tie for me
Lagginess- IOS wins
Battery life - IOS wins
Screen - Android wins (Specifically Galaxy S7)
Searching ease of use - IOS wins
Syncing with mac system - IOS wins

You can see for me IOS wins or ties every single category except Screen

SO I will agree that IOS fans are drip fed but that dripping still exceeds what Android offers.

Android doesn't need to step up at all, it's a great OS. You make it sound like just because you prefer iOS, Android is far behind.

To say iOS wins with FaceTime is ridiculous when it's only available on iOS devices. It's like saying a blu-ray player wins at playing blu-rays over a record player. And of course an iPhone will sync better with a Mac.
 

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Android doesn't need to step up at all, it's a great OS. You make it sound like just because you prefer iOS, Android is far behind.

To say iOS wins with FaceTime is ridiculous when it's only available on iOS devices. It's like saying a blu-ray player wins at playing blu-rays over a record player. And of course an iPhone will sync better with a Mac.

I suggest you read. I clarified it later. There are people that prefer Samsung pay over Apple Pay. It is completely understandable if someone said Samsung Pay so Android wins if they prefer it. The point is video chatting is better in IOS than through Android for me.

No it is not saying a blu ray player wins over a record player. If you have 1 blu ray and 5000 records then a record player would win over a blu ray player. If you have 5000 blu rays and 1 record then a blu ray player would win. It matters what someone is looking for. For me my preference for video chatting is facetime. Sorry it needed to be explained to you. It was fairly obvious to me, just as when someone says Samsung pay is the best paying app I don't freak out because Apple does not have Samsung pay. I can figure out they mean that they prefer Samsung pay over Apple pay. So I'll be clearer so you can understand. I prefer Facetime for video chatting in IOS over the video chatting apps and capability of Android.

I have now been using the iphone X for 24 hours. It is exponentially better than the S7 galaxy it is replacing. I am so glad to be done with that piece of dung.
 
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Android doesn't need to step up at all, it's a great OS. You make it sound like just because you prefer iOS, Android is far behind.

To say iOS wins with FaceTime is ridiculous when it's only available on iOS devices. It's like saying a blu-ray player wins at playing blu-rays over a record player. And of course an iPhone will sync better with a Mac.

As someone who used both iOS and Android extensively, I can say that I do not agree with mikef07. Android wins in phone calls because it has the better radio tech and phone dialer experience since you can use predictive dialing to spell contacts names out. Email goes to Android as well since the default iOS mail app didn't carry over my Gmail tabs in my school or personal email accounts. Visual voicemail is really good if you have a Nexus or Pixel, if not then Apple wins this because of fragmentation.

Here are other features they say. Messaging goes to iOS because of iMessaging since you can use live Animojis, messaging based apps integrated in the service, get RCS capabilities, the interface is nice and clean, and it is probably the best exclusive Apple offers. Video chatting is better on iOS in terms of simplicity. However, in terms of multi-person FaceTime, that doesn't exist surprisingly. Thus you're relegated to using a 3rd party app like Skype or a Google service to get that done. Thus it's hard to really give that to iOS and Apple. Android wins by default since a lot of those apps are added in by default. Internet experience goes to Android since it's ahead of the curve since you can split screen multi-task, do PIP with videos on Oreo, ad-block, etc. Music App depends on which Android phone you use. I personally prefer the Samsung one since it is tied into the Always-On Display and creates simplicity to change the song without even having to have the actual main screen turn on to swipe through or anything.

The camera goes to Android for many reasons. You have DxOMark giving Google the highest score in back to back iterations and that is without a dual camera setup. Android has a pro mode to offer as well and much more customization with cameras in some of its flagship products. If simplicity is your aim, Apple wins. But if flexibility and highest end cameras are your preference, Android wins. Android wins for me since I prefer both flexibility and highest end cameras.

Why are we adding niche features like Passbook and traveling? You can always get PDFs on email to travel and have staff scan a QR code. Social media wins on iOS only because Snapchat is much better on iOS and I see more app updates to Reddit on iOS. Lagginess depends on the device you own. iOS 10 and 11 were quite laggy at points for people. Samsung was known to be laggy, but now, they cleaned it up quite a bit. Google's Pixels are buttery smooth as hell. So that depends on the time and device, but yes, iOS is known to be better optimized software.

Battery life really depends on a device, but Android has devices that last longer than iPhones. iPhones are better optimized than a lot of flagship Android devices, so it comes down to which specific devices, but then again, the software hardware optimization makes it greater than your average Android device.

Screens: Android wins, but the iPhone X screen is beautiful and high end. The Note 8 has the best screen on the market as well. Not just resolutions are higher on Android, but higher brightness as well.

Searching is better on Android, so let's not kid ourselves. Siri is still behind Google Assistant and Alexa. Plus Google is built into both devices as the lead search engine. Plus iOS 11 is the first time Apple had any semblance of a file system.

Of course synching with Macs will be given to iOS since it's from the same company. Android is agnostic. Apple's fully integrated ecosystem requires an iPhone and some sort of Mac or iPad to synch stuff across to enjoy simultaneously or to work on productivity. Other iOS devices like iPads and iPod Touches can work together as well. Same with iPhones and Apple TVs. Gotta include the Apple Watch as well.

iOS might win for people because of ease of use, peace of mind, and easy support, but Android is ahead with features and technology. So it comes down to what costs you want to pay: use an OS designed so simply that anyone can use it or go with an Android with a lot more flexibility and hardware (headphone jacks, styluses, etc).

Apple prides itself with being a phone for everyone, even if the device is a similar experience no matter who uses it. Both Android and iOS can bring things the other counterpart offers to make a more complete experience. Competition is good.
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But is it searching for signal or is it turned off?

I just switched to Fi and it's helped my battery life quite a bit because it's not always searching for a nonexistent signal.

I think it's searching for signal quite often because of dead spots. Wi-Fi is constantly turned off when I work my full-time job. I do think when I make a move back to an iPhone, I might have to rely more on the airplane mode + wi-fi calling combo. Samsung annoys me because you cannot toggle wifi from the lock screen. You have to do it when you're on the home screen. Plus, when you log into wifi with a screen asking to agree to terms and conditions, Apple picks it up a little more seamlessly than my Note does.
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I suggest you read. I clarified it later. There are people that prefer Samsung pay over Apple Pay. It is completely understandable if someone said Samsung Pay so Android wins if they prefer it. The point is video chatting is better in IOS than through Android for me.

No it is not saying a blu ray player wins over a record player. If you have 1 blu ray and 5000 records then a record player would win over a blu ray player. If you have 5000 blu rays and 1 record then a blu ray player would win. It matters what someone is looking for. For me my preference for video chatting is facetime. Sorry it needed to be explained to you. It was fairly obvious to me, just as when someone says Samsung pay is the best paying app I don't freak out because Apple does not have Samsung pay. I can figure out they mean that they prefer Samsung pay over Apple pay. So I'll be clearer so you can understand. I prefer Facetime for video chatting in IOS over the video chatting apps and capability of Android.

I have now been using the iphone X for 24 hours. It is exponentially better than the S7 galaxy it is replacing. I am so glad to be done with that piece of dung.

How is it exponentially better though? Because it meets your needs much more effectively? Only thing FaceTime is missing is GroupFaceTime right now. For that, gotta go Skype or Duo or something like that. I prefer FaceTime to those oto. Samsung Pay is infinitely better for me because of reward points and what not. It even is more ubiquitous because of MST tech rather than just a NFC backbone.

The S7 is a solid phone. Battery life is crap and it did have some lag hiccups as well. But 1440p AMOLED screen with AOD functions, a high end camera, superb build quality, water resistance, SD card slot, and a bevy of features like Samsung Pass makes it a quality device.
 
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It is exponentially better for all of the things I listed above.

Here is some irony. I unpulgged both the S7 galaxy and the iphone x this morning at same time. I have been using the iphone x for at least 90 minutes this morning off and on. I have not used the Galaxy at all. Battery on Galaxy is at 88%. The iphone battery is 96% still.

I will say the screen on the S7 is better than the iphone x screen.
 

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It is exponentially better for all of the things I listed above.

Here is some irony. I unpulgged both the S7 galaxy and the iphone x this morning at same time. I have been using the iphone x for at least 90 minutes this morning off and on. I have not used the Galaxy at all. Battery on Galaxy is at 88%. The iphone battery is 96% still.

I will say the screen on the S7 is better than the iphone x screen.

But you have to also realize that the S7 has a lot of things going on that could cause a 12% drop based off very little to no use. Is it connected to wi-fi? Does it have AOD on, bluetooth on, NFC on, GPS on, and a lot of background activities? What's the age of the battery? How much wear and tear is the battery under? Are there wake locks? I know I am naming a bunch of stuff to you and it can be annoying to have so many what ifs with a phone, but that's just the Android science with battery consumption.

When I use an iPhone, I do not worry about SOT. When I use Android, SOT means everything.
 

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It is exponentially better for all of the things I listed above.

Here is some irony. I unpulgged both the S7 galaxy and the iphone x this morning at same time. I have been using the iphone x for at least 90 minutes this morning off and on. I have not used the Galaxy at all. Battery on Galaxy is at 88%. The iphone battery is 96% still.

I will say the screen on the S7 is better than the iphone x screen.

And you're also comparing the latest iPhone to an 18 month old device.
 
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I suggest you read. I clarified it later. There are people that prefer Samsung pay over Apple Pay. It is completely understandable if someone said Samsung Pay so Android wins if they prefer it. The point is video chatting is better in IOS than through Android for me.

No it is not saying a blu ray player wins over a record player. If you have 1 blu ray and 5000 records then a record player would win over a blu ray player. If you have 5000 blu rays and 1 record then a blu ray player would win. It matters what someone is looking for. For me my preference for video chatting is facetime. Sorry it needed to be explained to you. It was fairly obvious to me, just as when someone says Samsung pay is the best paying app I don't freak out because Apple does not have Samsung pay. I can figure out they mean that they prefer Samsung pay over Apple pay. So I'll be clearer so you can understand. I prefer Facetime for video chatting in IOS over the video chatting apps and capability of Android.

I have now been using the iphone X for 24 hours. It is exponentially better than the S7 galaxy it is replacing. I am so glad to be done with that piece of dung.
Samsung Pay IS better than Apple Pay, at least in the US, because it is accepted nearly everywhere. That is not a personal preference, it's factual. Much of the stuff on your list was not based on feature or performance differences, but purely your preference... which is fine for you, but useless to someone trying to decide on which to buy.
 

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Samsung Pay IS better than Apple Pay, at least in the US, because it is accepted nearly everywhere. That is not a personal preference, it's factual. Much of the stuff on your list was not based on feature or performance differences, but purely your preference... which is fine for you, but useless to someone trying to decide on which to buy.

Not useless because someone may ask for clarification. They may not. Pretty much everyone's opinion here is based on personal preference, thus the point of an opinion forum. When I express my opinion I like to break it down into bullet points of what is important to me. If someone looks at my list and decides the fourth thing listed is not important so be it. Rather than just say ios is better I feel it is better served if I provide clarification in what areas I prefer ios.
 
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