GayWay - the gay and lesbian discussion (aka. Any Gays here?)

[slooksterPSV]

My Uncle is a great example of My Grandma's total opposite. He was diagnosed with cancer at the end of last year, and instead of trying to heal himself and believing he would get better, he went around with a Pity Me mindset and even talked someone into buying him a truck. He died before the year was out. The power our minds posess is nothing short of amazing.

It's just like how some people lie. And they do something, you watch them do it, and the first thing out of their mouth is I didn't do it or something like that. You can get yourself to believe anything as well. -- But being gay, that is something you are - not something you think you are, but that you are. Sorry had to put that in where I just said that.

 

[Frozone]

It's just like how some people lie. And they do something, you watch them do it, and the first thing out of their mouth is I didn't do it or something like that. You can get yourself to believe anything as well. -- But being gay, that is something you are - not something you think you are, but that you are. Sorry had to put that in where I just said that.

Idk, I think some people ARE gay with no questions asked. They just are. But, I do think some people get "confused" or "lost" along the way because of things which happen in their life.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

The will to survive, and the power of the mind in that process is very powerful. My Mom had FOUR major heart attacks (the final one fatal), THREE pacemaker operations (the second one was to correct a defect in the first one, the third was to replace a unit damaged during a bout with a viral blood disorder). She died TWICE in the ER or operating room, only to come back telling the figure that came for her - that her job was not yet finished.

It was on her way (my Dad was driving) to the doctors for confirmation of a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer, when she suffered her fatal heart attack. I can say that the months leading up to that day were the best that the family had seen as a family unit in a long while. Her job was complete, and she is now in heaven worrying and watching over me each day.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Idk, I think some people ARE gay with no questions asked. They just are. But, I do think some people get "confused" or "lost" along the way because of things which happen in their life.

I do believe that there is "situational homosexuality". IIRC studies in animals have shown when there is the lack of a female companion, the males turn to each other for sexual relief. And many of these same studies have shown that even with the "proper balance" of males and females, some animals will still seek same sex partners. We see this in prisons and in the formally male only military.

I think that this also includes what we had talked about here before, and that is that some are Gay or BI - because it is "cool" and easy to have greater opportunities for "fun".

 

[Frozone]

I do believe that there is "situational homosexuality". IIRC studies in animals have shown when there is the lack of a female companion, the males turn to each other for sexual relief. And many of these same studies have shown that even with the "proper balance" of males and females, some animals will still seek same sex partners. We see this in prisons and in the formally male only military.

I think that this also includes what we had talked about here before, and that is that some are Gay or BI - because it is "cool" and easy to have greater opportunities for "fun".

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of the absence's of a father figure or having a dominant mother figure, as well as other early child hood events such as rape, molestation, abuse. But, your's works also.

 

[Grey Beard]

Causal Gene and Mind over Matter

Idk, I think some people ARE gay with no questions asked. They just are. But, I do think some people get "confused" or "lost" along the way because of things which happen in their life.

Frozone, I agree with you that some people, Just Are. I never thought about it at all. I mean I wasn't really much into Drama (well later I could throw a REAL drama) didn't have a great taste in clothes, and I raced and rallied cars. I'm even wearing a black red and white checked shirt at the moment. I mean for a Bonk in a Bordello, how faggy is that. I just was Gay. And I knew from about 12, I think. Is this the so called Gay Gene at work?

On the healing powers within, Oh Their God, that just sounds too grandiose ! But with the examples you gave, yes I think that the so called; Positive Mental Attitude can have a force. Simply it's just mind over matter and when put that way, I'm in full agreement. My Mam, as literally worn out three pacemakers and will have her fourth installed soon. She's a diabetic as I am. She'd had skin cancer, and a year later breast cancer. My Mam is a tough old bird. A real pot boiler, and yep, I do tell that to her face. But I love my folks just the same. I hope that I've been endowed with the same tough
gene 'cause I think I'll be needing it fairly soon.

After all that Frozone, yes I agree.

Kevin
aka Grey Beard

 

[noaccess]

Idk, I think some people ARE gay with no questions asked. They just are.

Frozone, I agree with you that some people, Just Are. I never thought about it at all. I mean I wasn't really much into Drama (well later I could throw a REAL drama) didn't have a great taste in clothes, and I raced and rallied cars. I'm even wearing a black red and white checked shirt at the moment. I mean for a Bonk in a Bordello, how faggy is that. I just was Gay. And I knew from about 12, I think. Is this the so called Gay Gene at work?

What I'm gonna say might sound, ya know, boring, but I'll give it a go anyways. The real cause of homosexuality may lie in structural changes in a specific part of the brain. It's called the sexually dimorphic nucleus, which is twice as large in str8 men, and is reportedly that of the size of women in gay men.
I won't go through the whole story, so just in case you want the 411 on the subject, go to:What makes us gay
And even tho the article focuses mainly on sheep, I saw the same thing on TV, where they found the same thing in humans.

And there's this problem of mine that's been killing me for a while: Only a few months before I realised I was gay (3 yrs. ago) I liked this girl in my class. I mean really liked her . In the end she turned out to be a total b***h, but maybe that doesn't matter. Or does it ? Glad that's over. Is this weird, or what? The problem is: how could I like a girl, and then in a matter of months switch to the other side?
Now THAT is what I call a spontaneous 'Think different' situation!

I should get a prize anyways. Ya know, just for being so awesome & all.

Huh ? Ok, feel free to take the 'Awesome & all' prize, and then you can leave the 'Youngest GayWay member' prize to me. Deal?

 

[iGary]

The will to survive, and the power of the mind in that process is very powerful. My Mom had FOUR major heart attacks (the final one fatal), THREE pacemaker operations (the second one was to correct a defect in the first one, the third was to replace a unit damaged during a bout with a viral blood disorder). She died TWICE in the ER or operating room, only to come back telling the figure that came for her - that her job was not yet finished.

It was on her way (my Dad was driving) to the doctors for confirmation of a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer, when she suffered her fatal heart attack. I can say that the months leading up to that day were the best that the family had seen as a family unit in a long while. Her job was complete, and she is now in heaven worrying and watching over me each day.

My grandmom was 95 and died two weeks after my dad (yeah it's been a crappy two months). Anyway, we joked that grandmom died, went up to heaven, saw my dad and went "What the hell are you doing up here?"

We now guess that dad, my mom and grandmom are locked in the eternal Bridge game.

 

[Frozone]

What I'm gonna say might sound, ya know, boring, but I'll give it a go anyways. The real cause of homosexuality may lie in structural changes in a specific part of the brain. It's called the sexually dimorphic nucleus, which is twice as large in str8 men, and is reportedly that of the size of women in gay men.
I won't go through the whole story, so just in case you want the 411 on the subject, go to:What makes us gay
And even tho the article focuses mainly on sheep, I saw the same thing on TV, where they found the same thing in humans.

And there's this problem of mine that's been killing me for a while: Only a few months before I realised I was gay (3 yrs. ago) I liked this girl in my class. I mean really liked her . In the end she turned out to be a total b***h, but maybe that doesn't matter. Or does it ? Glad that's over. Is this weird, or what? The problem is: how could I like a girl, and then in a matter of months switch to the other side?
Now THAT is what I call a spontaneous 'Think different' situation!



Huh ? Ok, feel free to take the 'Awesome & all' prize, and then you can leave the 'Youngest GayWay member' prize to me. Deal?

Even though I like guys (a lot, jeez they're just soo freakin sexy) I've also like girls. One gal I liked for nearly 5 years, but I was EXTREMELY shy when younger so I never told her. Then another gal I liked and would have dated her but when I liked her a TON she didn't really like me and after I got over her she wanted me. LOL.

And yeah, you can have the Youngest GayWay Member prize.

 

[noaccess]

Even though I like guys (a lot, jeez they're just soo freakin sexy) I've also like girls. One gal I liked for nearly 5 years, but I was EXTREMELY shy when younger so I never told her. Then another gal I liked and would have dated her but when I liked her a TON she didn't really like me and after I got over her she wanted me. LOL.

And yeah, you can have the Youngest GayWay Member prize.

Whew... good 2 see this hasn't only happened to me. Now I can finally get rid of all that confusion. ***Goes to the living room and shouts 'Mom, I'm 100% gay! Not 80, but 100! Ain't that gr8? Hey? Mom? Why did you collapse on the floor? Uh oh... better call an ambulance...'***
And good 2 know the second girl got what she deserved.
And thanks for the prize! I deserve it, ya know

 

[Frozone]

Whew... good 2 see this hasn't only happened to me. Now I can finally get rid of all that confusion. ***Goes to the living room and shouts 'Mom, I'm 100% gay! Not 80, but 100! Ain't that gr8? Hey? Mom? Why did you collapse on the floor? Uh oh... better call an ambulance...'***
And good 2 know the second girl got what she deserved.
And thanks for the prize! I deserve it, ya know

Well, the second gal is still cool. We still talk and would go bowling and stuff, but she just moved away to Washington State. :/

Haha, You're sceaniro for tellin' your mom is good. Mine would go something like...

Me: Hey, um, mom - I like boys.
Mom: . . .
Me: Uhhh
Mom: *points gun* Pow
Me:

 

[gekko513]

Interesting discussions going on here now.

Noaccess and Frozone, when you say you liked a girl, what did you like about her?

Would you like to get to know her better? Did you want to kiss her? Did you fantasise about woohooing? I mean, how far did the crush go? I'm just curious.

I had a crush once on a girl, but the whole thing was very silly in most ways. I was attracted to her personality in some way. I didn't really know what to about the feeling, and I had no desire to get physical with her either. It lasted just a couple of weeks.

 

[noaccess]

Well, the second gal is still cool. We still talk and would go bowling and stuff, but she just moved away to Washington State. :/

That means she really liked ya. Only thing was she didn't realise it on time. Even if she did, and you guys had dated, then sooner or later she would have found out the truth about your...umm...preferences . That's life.

Haha, You're sceaniro for tellin' your mom is good. Mine would go something like...

Me: Hey, um, mom - I like boys.
Mom: . . .
Me: Uhhh
Mom: *points gun* Pow
Me:

LOL
And BTW, did you tell her yet? Will you?

 

[Frozone]

That means she really liked ya. Only thing was she didn't realise it on time. Even if she did, and you guys had dated, then sooner or later she would have found out the truth about your...umm...preferences . That's life.


LOL
And BTW, did you tell her yet? Will you?

I've not told her yet, nor will I ever. I live in South Georgia which is like - the Uber-Heart of the Bible Belt. Gay's ain't really welcome nor accepted here.

Noaccess and Frozone, when you say you liked a girl, what did you like about her?

Would you like to get to know her better? Did you want to kiss her? Did you fantasise about woohooing? I mean, how far did the crush go? I'm just curious.

I had a crush once on a girl, but the whole thing was very silly in most ways. I was attracted to her personality in some way. I didn't really know what to about the feeling, and I had no desire to get physical with her either. It lasted just a couple of weeks.

Well, The first girl was my best friend for a long time. We were really close. And at that time I like everything about her. And, yes, I would have liked to have kissed her.

And the second girl, well, the same applied. We got to be really good friends and basically told each other everything and what we didn't tell, we both knew. With her it was weird. We both liked each other and one night when she was in the mountains we told each other....everything. (about liking each other, etc) And, then when she got back she basically told me she was caught up in the moment and that hurt quite bad. Lol, so I tried making myself hate her enough that I wouldn't like her, which worked. And, then after I stopped liking her alot she ended up liking me as much as I had liked her.

 

[scem0]

I've not told her yet, nor will I ever. I live in South Georgia which is like - the Uber-Heart of the Bible Belt. Gay's ain't really welcome nor accepted here.

Are your parents super-conservative?

_Emerson

 

[noaccess]

Interesting discussions going on here now.

Noaccess and Frozone, when you say you liked a girl, what did you like about her?

Would you like to get to know her better? Did you want to kiss her? Did you fantasise about woohooing? I mean, how far did the crush go? I'm just curious.

I had a crush once on a girl, but the whole thing was very silly in most ways. I was attracted to her personality in some way. I didn't really know what to about the feeling, and I had no desire to get physical with her either. It lasted just a couple of weeks.

My crush was like yours in the being-attracted-to-her-personality aspect, plus a 'yes' to all the questions you asked. But I didn't really *want* all those things to happen. Wasn't at all expecting them to happen either. I was in cloud nine when I was thinking of her. Thankfully the crush ended some time after:
Somehow, she found this out from someone and took it kinda like a joke. It amused her and she had this sadistical pleasure in making fun of it. This was mostly because I was very shy and, hence, unpopular. I couldn't say anything because she had a very strong personality and I was intimidated by her.
She still tries to start up arguments with me nowadays every time she has the opportunity, but now it's getting so annoying and repetitive, I don't even care anymore. And a few days ago I (finally) told her to calm down, treat her PMS, and gulp down as much Valium as she can handle (if all else fails, that is).
And realising I'm gay came as a total surprise. A bit too much of a surprise. And then came denial, and then came depression, and then came 'WTF? Snap out of it, a**hole!'. And then came 'I'm glad I'm gay... I couldn't have it any other way'. And really, I'm a lot happier now.
<--see this smile? It took me long to perfect it, but it was definitely worth it.... Oh, and BTW it looks much more realistic in real life.

 

[Frozone]

Are your parents super-conservative?

_Emerson

To say the least, yes. They annoy me and are nothing but hypocritical, idiotic, beings who change stuff and use it in their favor but totally ignore all facts which are against them. I have fun calllin' em' out though!

 

[scem0]

Damn .

I'd say try to get the hell out of Georgia for college (you should come to New York City, it rocks ) and come out to your 'rents after college. It's not all that far away, actually. You definitely want to get out of the Bible Belt, though.

_Emerson

 

[Frozone]

My crush was like yours in the being-attracted-to-her-personality aspect, plus a 'yes' to all the questions you asked. But I didn't really *want* all those things to happen. Wasn't at all expecting them to happen either. I was in cloud nine when I was thinking of her. Thankfully the crush ended some time after:
Somehow, she found this out from someone and took it kinda like a joke. It amused her and she had this sadistical pleasure in making fun of it. This was mostly because I was very shy and, hence, unpopular. I couldn't say anything because she had a very strong personality and I was intimidated by her.
She still tries to start up arguments with me nowadays every time she has the opportunity, but now it's getting so annoying and repetitive, I don't even care anymore. And a few days ago I (finally) told her to calm down, treat her PMS, and gulp down as much Valium as she can handle (if all else fails, that is).
And realising I'm gay came as a total surprise. A bit too much of a surprise. And then came denial, and then came depression, and then came 'WTF? Snap out of it, a**hole!'. And then came 'I'm glad I'm gay... I couldn't have it any other way'. And really, I'm a lot happier now.
<--see this smile? It took me long to perfect it, but it was definitely worth it.... Oh, and BTW it looks much more realistic in real life.

Well, I started to like guys about half way through the 5 years of liking the first gal. I'm not sure how I ingored it so well, but thinking back I have to think long and hard to find any remberance of wanting a guy. Only thing I can really remember was being at this camp one time with the gal and going swimming. There was this UBER UBER UBER freaking fine guy there. Like, JEEZ, how can someone be that hawt.

And after I stopped liking the second girl is when I really had to face the "gay" thing. I denied it for a while and just said I was curious, then bi, and then kept going back and forth, and now just gay. But, somestimes I still fancy gals and would much prefer beign "straight". It's weird...

 

[noaccess]

Are your parents super-conservative?_Emerson

Even if they weren't conservative, I think that if the *all-mighty* God is the only person/entity they want to please, they might do it. I really hope I'm wrong, tho, and that there are more people than I thought that would be willing to give up their beliefs for the sake of their children.
And I'm sorry some people still live their lives by the rules in a book written by people inspired by 'God's voice'. If they lived today, they'd be in a psychiatric clinic for hearing voices.
Frozone, hope you move outta there as soon as you can. You'll be a lot happier, I promise .

 

[iGary]

Damn .

I'd say try to get the hell out of Georgia for college (you should come to New York City, it rocks ) and come out to your 'rents after college. It's not all that far away, actually. You definitely want to get out of the Bible Belt, though.

_Emerson

That's what Rob did.

His dad does ministry programs at jails in Louisiana. His sister married a born-again Christian. His mom has some sense, but still prays for him.

In our 6 years together they have come to grips with it better, but they still think he is damned to hell for eternity if he doesn't change.

Get out, but still love them.

 

[scem0]

In our 6 years together they have come to grips with it better, but they still think he is damned to hell for eternity if he doesn't change.

If I were British I'd say "well, that's just silly."

_Emerson

 

[Frozone]

Damn .

I'd say try to get the hell out of Georgia for college (you should come to New York City, it rocks ) and come out to your 'rents after college. It's not all that far away, actually. You definitely want to get out of the Bible Belt, though.

_Emerson

Well, I've been trying. I want to live in a big city anyways. Big cities facinate me for some reason and I just think it'd be so fun getting to ride subway and walking to work. ( The town seat of my county has 18,000 people. My actual town has about 1000. ) But, my parents are fighting the moving off thing quite hard. We've had some pretty huge fights about it so far, and I got a feeling they ain't over yet. They want me to stay in Georgia b/c I'm "closer" to home incase of an emergency and b/c it's much cheaper for me to go to college here than it is going off. Not to mention I have a house in Athens which would basically be mine if I went to Uni. of Georgia. (My aunt owns the house...She bought it for my cousin while she attends UGA, but she only has one year left.)

So, now, i'm just sorta stuck with the college thing. Not sure of what to do or where to apply. I'd love to go off, but I'm not sure I could afford to.

 

[iGary]

If I were British I'd say "well, that's just silly."

_Emerson

Well it is, but the problem with hard-core Chritianity is once you are deep in it, you are terrified what will happen if you change the way you think. Cost me several thousand dollars in therapy to unwrap that ***** out of my head.

<-----Happy agnostic.

 

[noaccess]

Well, I've been trying. I want to live in a big city anyways. Big cities facinate me for some reason and I just think it'd be so fun getting to ride subway and walking to work. ( The town seat of my county has 18,000 people. My actual town has about 1000. ) But, my parents are fighting the moving off thing quite hard. We've had some pretty huge fights about it so far, and I got a feeling they ain't over yet. They want me to stay in Georgia b/c I'm "closer" to home incase of an emergency and b/c it's much cheaper for me to go to college here than it is going off. Not to mention I have a house in Athens which would basically be mine if I went to Uni. of Georgia. (My aunt owns the house...She bought it for my cousin while she attends UGA, but she only has one year left.)

So, now, i'm just sorta stuck with the college thing. Not sure of what to do or where to apply. I'd love to go off, but I'm not sure I could afford to.

They'll have to face the fact that you'll have to someday be on your own two feet and have your own life. What you do after you're 18 is your business.
In the end, it's your decision, but if living in a big city is what you want, you can have that, and to achieve it you can apply for a scholarship, get a job, heck, there are a lot of possibilities.