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Frozone said:
I loved Trig. Had my highest math grade in there since Pre-Algebra. Where are you at, btw? I was guessing USA, until you said that. Don't think you're gonna be going to bed in the middle of the afternoon just for some test. :)
I'm in Romania *sobs*. And believe me, if you went to a few trig lessons here you'd hate math altogether. And I still have 4 years to go (including this one, I'm in the 9th) :(.
I downloaded a sample .pdf SAT and found it easy. And it's not cause I'm smart (I'm not), but cause they shove info down your throat until you become soaked in it.
 
noaccess said:
I'm in Romania *sobs*. And believe me, if you went to a few trig lessons here you'd hate math altogether. And I still have 4 years to go (including this one, I'm in the 9th) :(.
I downloaded a sample .pdf SAT and found it easy. And it's not cause I'm smart (I'm not), but cause they shove info down your throat until you become soaked in it.


Hehe, maybe so. The main reason I loved it so well is b/c my teacher was awesome. I loved her to death. Definitely one of my favorite teachers last year. This year I have Pre-Cal & Cal. I hate it so far, mainly cuz the teacher sucks. Good Luck on the tests though!
 
EDIT: My last lessons were:
1) Standard trigonometrical formulae
2) Trigonometrical identities
3) Trigonometrical functions of the double and triple angle
Do you recognise any of these (just curious) :confused:?
 
Frozone said:
Not quite sure I want it out, though. There's always gonna be the "what if" factor, thearpy or not.

But, Let's change the subject. Haha, almost the past whole page has been about my problems.


As iGary said, what if's can be dangerous - I prefer hazardous to ones mental health. Take it from one that has been dealing with a boat load of what if's since this past Spring.

The reason why the last couple pages have been dedicated to your "problems" is that we have been there in one way or another. I know (or hope) that the scene of your possible coming out to your Mom was a joke, but it does show the undercurrent that prevails in your life.
 
Frozone said:
Hehe, maybe so. The main reason I loved it so well is b/c my teacher was awesome. I loved her to death. Definitely one of my favorite teachers last year. This year I have Pre-Cal & Cal. I hate it so far, mainly cuz the teacher sucks. Good Luck on the tests though!
Thanx wor wishing me good luck :). I'll definitely need it.
My teacher also is very funny and teaches everything perfectly.
But the stuff the ministry expects her to teach (she follows their instructions perfectly) is what kills me.

EDIT: I'll let ya answer Chip's posts, that's a lot more important than my trigonometry problems... and trigonometry in general. Bye for now.
 
noaccess said:
Okay, maybe 'love' isn't always applicable. There can be sex without love.
Right?

Try convincing my ex of that. If "fun" wasn't had 3 to 4 times a week, then the relationship was good.

For me quiet times together, an afternoon with our Chewey together was more meaningful than tumbles several times a week.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
As iGary said, what if's can be dangerous - I prefer hazardous to ones mental health. Take it from one that has been dealing with a boat load of what if's since this past Spring.

The reason why the last couple pages have been dedicated to your "problems" is that we have been there in one way or another. I know (or hope) that the scene of your possible coming out to your Mom was a joke, but it does show the undercurrent that prevails in your life.


The scene was slightly harsh. Kill me? Nah. My mom would just cry and cry and cry alot and scream at me. Probably try slapping me, etc. My dad wouldnt' cry but he'd scream at me and probably call me a ****** and then I'd end up screaming back and we'd end up in a fist fight. Then the cops would be called. In which case they side with my folks.
 
Frozone said:
So, Anyways..Anyone know how to break addictions. I think I'm addicted to sunflower seeds. I'm on my 3rd or 4th 15 oz bag this week. I took a photo of my trashcan a while back and the amount I've eaten so far this week have dwarfed this amout...

Better then over doing pistachio nuts. Too many of those can lead to lactating, even in men! :eek:
 
Frozone said:
LoL, with my parents, there is no right time. And to my parents, love is a funny thing. We don't "love" each other, and in fact I straight up hate them. Which, Is not secret. My mom asks me all the time If i love her and I just sorta give her a strange look and walk off. She says she loves me, but I honestly could care less.

We have a very hostile relationship. It seems weird that I would care what they think, but I'm not sure If I honestly care what they think or if it's another part of me that's scared for reasons I can't explain. It's a weird situation. lol

Parents can be so manipulative, your only hope is to get away from them for awhile and find your own mind. I'm 43 and I just realized this year that my guilt complex comes from my Mom's manipulation of my brain.Don't wait that long to get your life back. By dangling the house in front of you all they are doing is forcing you to do their bidding. Hating your Mom the way you do isn't healthy for you and her saying she loves you is just another way of making you feel guilty. Trust me, you need to find the inner strength to emotionally pull away from these people whose idealogy will kill you.

The strength is inside of you you just need to find it and hold onto it. Trust me, you don't want to spend the rest of your lives being played with like a cat plays with a mouse. You owe it to yourself and to a point, to them as well to stand on your own.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Better then over doing pistachio nuts. Too many of those can lead to lactating, even in men! :eek:

When are we taking pictures?

Rob is dragging me out of the house as we speak to go to downtown Annapolis. He's a little worried about me being in the house all the time with my job - and - this being my first marathon season in three years without runs to look forward to...I'll have to admit it is pretty depressing, but maybe I'll have some pics to share this afternoon.

If you really wanna be scared go to the MacRumors pics thread and see me as a teenager!
:eek:
 
Frozone said:
The scene was slightly harsh. Kill me? Nah. My mom would just cry and cry and cry alot and scream at me. Probably try slapping me, etc. My dad wouldnt' cry but he'd scream at me and probably call me a ****** and then I'd end up screaming back and we'd end up in a fist fight. Then the cops would be called. In which case they side with my folks.

Hate to say it, but I think they would cast you out first. And that is scary regardless of whatever age one is.
 
Ugg said:
Parents can be so manipulative, your only hope is to get away from them for awhile and find your own mind. I'm 43 and I just realized this year that my guilt complex comes from my Mom's manipulation of my brain.Don't wait that long to get your life back. By dangling the house in front of you all they are doing is forcing you to do their bidding. Hating your Mom the way you do isn't healthy for you and her saying she loves you is just another way of making you feel guilty. Trust me, you need to find the inner strength to emotionally pull away from these people whose idealogy will kill you.

The strength is inside of you you just need to find it and hold onto it. Trust me, you don't want to spend the rest of your lives being played with like a cat plays with a mouse. You owe it to yourself and to a point, to them as well to stand on your own.


My mom telling me she loves me doesn't affect me really. I got over letting her feelings bother me a long time ago. So, her telling me that is almost a non-factor.

Good for you. Just keep that attitude when life really hands you a sack of coal, and you are ahead of the game compared to many others.

I don't think I'll ever turn to drugs or alcohol. I've seen it do a few too many bad things.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Hate to say it, but I think they would cast you out first. And that is scary regardless of whatever age one is.


Eh, I'm not sure they would kick me out. I used to think they would, but I don't think they're quite stupid enough to do so, yet. Though, I'm almost 18, so if I was 18 then yes I could see them kicking me out. But, if they know before I turn 18, they won't kick me out.

The cop thing is a given, though.
 
Ugg said:
Parents can be so manipulative, your only hope is to get away from them for awhile and find your own mind. I'm 43 and I just realized this year that my guilt complex comes from my Mom's manipulation of my brain.Don't wait that long to get your life back. By dangling the house in front of you all they are doing is forcing you to do their bidding. Hating your Mom the way you do isn't healthy for you and her saying she loves you is just another way of making you feel guilty. Trust me, you need to find the inner strength to emotionally pull away from these people whose idealogy will kill you.

The strength is inside of you you just need to find it and hold onto it. Trust me, you don't want to spend the rest of your lives being played with like a cat plays with a mouse. You owe it to yourself and to a point, to them as well to stand on your own.

True, and it is not just parents that can be manipulative; but even the ones we love romantically. As I have said before, I am now "coming out" all over again after 13+ years in a relationship. Aspects of your Mom ring true for me. Hindsight shows that I should have made changes like 5 to 6 years ago. And now I have to deal with them for the near future.

Lucky for me my parents took my coming out as well as devote Catholics could. In the end, they still loved me till the end.
 
iGary said:
When are we taking pictures?

If I can stop traveling, soon. Spent last weekend in Chicago (still have to check out Lee's neighborhood!). Flyi has $39 to Chicago for the next day or two, so I am thinking about a return trip to Chicago the weekend of November 19th.

Can you shake a Monday free? I am trying to wrangle a Canon 5D and 1D mkIIn (out of our E Street store) for a Monday shoot. Thought it might be fun to tempt us both with the good side of digital life.

Or are you up to a 24 hour Chinatown bus trip to NYC. We could meet up with scem0 maybe. We could take one of the late night Saturday buses, and one of the last ones out of NYC Sunday night.

Rob is dragging me out of the house as we speak to go to downtown Annapolis. He's a little worried about me being in the house all the time with my job - and - this being my first marathon season in three years without runs to look forward to...I'll have to admit it is pretty depressing, but maybe I'll have some pics to share this afternoon.

Brings back fond memories of Teddy's concerns for my well being last couple of years when ad deadlines loomed at work.

I understand. You have running marathons, I have my marathon shoots. I seem to be making up for lost time. So far this year I have done SF, Chicago, and the beach (Rehoboth) twice.

Would have gone out to Middleburg today, but I am trying to beat a cold that is making its rounds at work. So far 40% of the staff has come down with it during the last week and half. Now it is my turn. And of course my sister is all in a panic (sigh).

If you really wanna be scared go to the MacRumors pics thread and see me as a teenager!
:eek:

Can't be any worse than the ones I posted in this thread of my younger days.
 
Well Guys, after four hours sleep, getting up, doing emails, and catching up on threads, I come to the GayWay and find I'm behind on 85 postings and no chance of making any meaningful replies. So, with a very broad brush, I paint:

Firstly, there are several thoughts that come to mind with the whole coming out thing. For a start, you must be true to yourself. Sure, honour your parents, they'll be all you'll get in this life. Families are all different and will have their own way in dealing with a son who is Gay. They could start with the denial thing, then, where did we go wrong, like, why us. Followed with (if you're still adolesent), it's only a stage you're going through. But it invariably comes down to them thinking only of them selves, how it affects their faith, what will their friends and neighbours think. It's ALL ABOUT THEM. They don't bring you into the scheme of things. Have they FORGOTTEN THEIR GAY BOY ? In a very few instances will you find an accepting mother and father. And that is something to be celebrated. That Guy really did have loving parents. However remember you can be part of the biggest universal family in the world.

A common route is to escape 'to the city' If it's with further study in mind, and at a better academic institution, the financials have to be settled before fleeing the nest. You cannot sucessfully study, while worried about the next textbook or where your next meal will come from. So you must leave with a full fiscal plan set. An alternative is moving, setting up house, getting a real job if possible and doing study on a part time basis. A lot more draining though than just the student life. Then with the freedom of a life away from the apron strings, you must set a realistic balance between serious social scenes and serious study.

These are just a few random thoughts, by an embittered fag that's seen better days. Did I apply the rationale that I now espouse ? No freaking way !!! I broke every rule that I could, part completed study courses and then became either bored, or went off an a socially preferable tangent. I drank deeply from the bowl of life and became intoxicated with it. But the life of a social butterfly can be disconcertingly short. Nobody wants a tattered past it's prime butterfly. If you drink excessively from my metaphorical bowl of life, it can poison both your mind and your body. Take it from one who knows. I've been there and done that !!! Who in their right mind would make a decision to be a cynical raconteur. Only Robert Louis Stevenson to my knowledge, succeeded, when in Samoa he became, Tusi Tala, the Teller of Tales.

I'll deal with the religion and the faith aspect in another posting. But that'll be when I get my head a little straighter again.

However, everyone among us has to make their own mistakes. No one will learn from any wisdom or otherwise, taken from another's experience. I didn't.

Kevin
aka Grey Beard
 
Frozone said:
Well, I'm currently quite happy. About the only thing in my life bothering me atm is a frew stressors which aren't much related to being a homosexual. (Well, all except one -- The friend thing) BTW, thanks for the Parents & Dorm thing. :)D

no problem. Happiness is relative. I considered myself to be happy back in high school when I was on the computer all day and didn't do much else. I have changed significantly since than and I can't imagine being happy with such a life. Ignorance is bliss, to some degree, but positive change (like moving away) will give you a much more profound sense of happiness.

Frozone said:
So, Anyways..Anyone know how to break addictions. I think I'm addicted to sunflower seeds. I'm on my 3rd or 4th 15 oz bag this week. I took a photo of my trashcan a while back and the amount I've eaten so far this week have dwarfed this amout...


BTW: The back of the photo is like 3-4 inches deep with sunflower seeds. :eek:

oh my! :eek:

Sunflower seeds are healthy, but I wouldn't recommend eating that many. Not only are they fattening, but they have a bit of saturated fat, which is never good. If they are the salted kind then I really recommend not eating as many. That much sodium can't be good :p.

noaccess said:
Whatever. Anyway, I'm off to bed (but if I can't sleep I'll be back tho). I have school and about 3 tests tomorrow (I hate trigonometry and all that sine/cosine/tangent/cotangent/radian/trigonometrical identity BS! :mad: ). The homework took me 12 pages and 5 hrs! ***tells himself to shut up***
Have a nice Sunday/night/week (depending on your timezone).

Ugh, I hate trig and geometry. I always did well in high school when it came to math. Senior year I took AP Algebra II and AP Statistics and I ended up dropping Alg halfway through the year because all the trig was driving me nuts. I see sine and cosine waves in my nightmares.

Chip NoVaMac said:
Add to that a person needs to show their parents that the values they were raised with are still be adhered to, even if it is with a person of the same sex. The problems I have seen in my past of peer counseling is when one trys to act out by going to extremes of the Gay/Lesibian community.

I think this is important. Being gay doesn't mean you have to be one thing or another. I, for one, will never have a Cher obsession. :)

iGary said:
If you really wanna be scared go to the MacRumors pics thread and see me as a teenager!
:eek:

I gotta see this :)...

Frozone said:
Eh, I'm not sure they would kick me out. I used to think they would, but I don't think they're quite stupid enough to do so, yet. Though, I'm almost 18, so if I was 18 then yes I could see them kicking me out. But, if they know before I turn 18, they won't kick me out.

The cop thing is a given, though.

I'd write them a letter, then when they are both out on a Friday I'd leave it for them where they can find it, then spend the weekend with a friend. Give them time to figure out how they really feel.

_Emerson
 
scem0 said:
no problem. Happiness is relative. I considered myself to be happy back in high school when I was on the computer all day and didn't do much else. I have changed significantly since than and I can't imagine being happy with such a life. Ignorance is bliss, to some degree, but positive change (like moving away) will give you a much more profound sense of happiness.

oh my! :eek:

Sunflower seeds are healthy, but I wouldn't recommend eating that many. Not only are they fattening, but they have a bit of saturated fat, which is never good. If they are the salted kind then I really recommend not eating as many. That much sodium can't be good :p.

_Emerson

I see your point about the Ignorance thing. Makes sense.

And, they are the salted kind. I've eaten another bowl full since that post. :/
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Tis the season

Ok its fall, and the start of the baking and cooking season

Today I have made homemade bluebery waffles for breakfast, and currently am baking homemade Oatmeal Rasin & Date cookies :) .

Later this week, I will be making my infamous Red Wine Poached Pears for a dinner at a friends house.
 
neildmitchell said:
Ok its fall, and the start of the baking and cooking season

Today I have made homemade bluebery waffles for breakfast, and currently am baking homemade Oatmeal Rasin & Date cookies :) .

Later this week, I will be making my infamous Red Wine Poached Pears for a dinner at a friends house.


*wipes up drool* Blue.... berry.... Waffles.... :eek: GIMME! Make me a Pecan Pie while you're at it. Oh, and an Creme Pecan & Red Velvet cake. oOo, and some Sugar Cookies. I've not had sugar cookies in SO long.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Can you shake a Monday free? I am trying to wrangle a Canon 5D and 1D mkIIn (out of our E Street store) for a Monday shoot. Thought it might be fun to tempt us both with the good side of digital life.

Or are you up to a 24 hour Chinatown bus trip to NYC. We could meet up with scem0 maybe. We could take one of the late night Saturday buses, and one of the last ones out of NYC Sunday night.

Yup, I can do either.
:D
 
Grey Beard said:
Firstly, there are several thoughts that come to mind with the whole coming out thing. For a start, you must be true to yourself. Sure, honour your parents, they'll be all you'll get in this life. Families are all different and will have their own way in dealing with a son who is Gay. They could start with the denial thing, then, where did we go wrong, like, why us. Followed with (if you're still adolesent), it's only a stage you're going through. But it invariably comes down to them thinking only of them selves, how it affects their faith, what will their friends and neighbours think. It's ALL ABOUT THEM. They don't bring you into the scheme of things. Have they FORGOTTEN THEIR GAY BOY ? In a very few instances will you find an accepting mother and father. And that is something to be celebrated. That Guy really did have loving parents. However remember you can be part of the biggest universal family in the world.[/quote

As usual you hit things right on the head, with words that would make many a writer blush.

In some ways tough times and decisions w face in life can be looked upon as the Five Stages of Grief by Elsabeth Kubler-Ross in her book on Death and Dying:

Five Stages Of Grief
1. Denial and Isolation.
2. Anger.
3. Bargaining.
4. Depression.
5. Acceptance.

Right now to be honest, I am doing battle with #4 in my personal trials of this past year. Moving rapidly (I hope) to #5. But as with many, it is not uncommon to bounce between these stages. I know that #2 comes up many more times than I would care for.

A common route is to escape 'to the city' If it's with further study in mind, and at a better academic institution, the financials have to be settled before fleeing the nest. You cannot sucessfully study, while worried about the next textbook or where your next meal will come from. So you must leave with a full fiscal plan set. An alternative is moving, setting up house, getting a real job if possible and doing study on a part time basis. A lot more draining though than just the student life. Then with the freedom of a life away from the apron strings, you must set a realistic balance between serious social scenes and serious study.

Again wise words. But at the same time these can be used as a crutch that keeps one shackled to a life that dooms one from true happiness.

Years ago I attended the Metropolitan Community Church (a Gay/Lesbian friendly church). Pastor Larry during the sermon talked about how we try to find comfort in tough situations. Bad job? We stay around. Bad apartment? We stay around. Bad relationship? We stay around. Why? Because we are fearful.

But if we have Faith, he said - the Good Lord will provide (you can insert your own beliefs in a higher power, just as valid IMO). For if you have Faith, you will be provided a roof over your head. Food on your table. And clothes on your back. That the "family" of the community will provide the social comfort needed to weather the storm.

At the time I was in a job I truly hated. The next morning I went in and put in my two weeks notice - all without a new job in sight. Three weeks later I found a job with a company that allowed for my first move from the DC area, at a 33% wage increase.

These are just a few random thoughts, by an embittered fag that's seen better days. Did I apply the rationale that I now espouse ? No freaking way !!! I broke every rule that I could, part completed study courses and then became either bored, or went off an a socially preferable tangent. I drank deeply from the bowl of life and became intoxicated with it. But the life of a social butterfly can be disconcertingly short. Nobody wants a tattered past it's prime butterfly. If you drink excessively from my metaphorical bowl of life, it can poison both your mind and your body. Take it from one who knows. I've been there and done that !!! Who in their right mind would make a decision to be a cynical raconteur. Only Robert Louis Stevenson to my knowledge, succeeded, when in Samoa he became, Tusi Tala, the Teller of Tales.

I'll deal with the religion and the faith aspect in another posting. But that'll be when I get my head a little straighter again.

However, everyone among us has to make their own mistakes. No one will learn from any wisdom or otherwise, taken from another's experience. I didn't.

Kevin
aka Grey Beard

Despite my lessons learned from years ago, I have failed to learn from them - sad to say. For if I had the times that I have gone through in the last few years may have not happened, or would have been lessened.

If I had only "listened" to my past - I could be much stronger emotionally than I am today. I do believe that if I had role models like yourself (yes, more present day), Lee, or Gary when I was coming out - I might be even stronger than I am today.

But is the positiveness of these messages that even provide an older soul like myself solace from you all on my own future. We can not expect that Frozone's, or any others, lightbulb will go on with our words overnight.

All we can hope is that words of support will ring a bell down the road. That people being held down by their families or churches (or maybe their own personal demons) will realize the fullest potential for their own happiness.

I know that the many kind (and not so kind words - more of a kick in the pants) words from those here on MR have maybe meant more than the hours I have spent with some therapists since April.

This may border more as a political rant, but the reality of today - verses when I was Frozone's age, is that it is even harder to cut "the apron strings" (no matter what country you live in).

I consider myself very fortunate that I ended up with some profit from my TH sale after the end of my relationship, in order to provide a cushion to live the way I want/need to. At 47 yo, and all the stuff I have accumulated in my life - it would be harder on me emotionally to move in with room mates. For where would I hang the 30+ photographs that I took? :D

I read with interest here about scem0 and others wanting eat more healthy, but not able to due to the cost. Sad to say the highlight of my week is going through the grocery store ads and coupons in order to get the most bang for my food dollar.

That being said, I would be more than happy if my fortunes had turned out differently. I may have been able to travel of late. But Just having a roof over my head, food on my table, clothes on my back, and a job to make it possible is enough for me. And friends to lean on when the hour gets the darkest (or so I think).
 
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