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iPhone 8/Plus Goodbye Android....
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Not really; face it you are in the minority trying to speak for everyone.
There are still plenty of people who use their phones ....... as phones. My wife would be happy with a flip phone, but I make her use my hand-me downs. She still just uses them as phones and there is no need to worry about anything other than battery charge.
Security should be important to EVERYONE. I understand people not caring about new features, as the OSes have gotten mature enough that most people would be fine with the feature set of a few versions back on Android, but any sane person is going to care about security. The fact of the matter is that a phone has the keys to the kingdom now that most 2FA is done through email and SMS, virtually every account you have is logged into on your phone, locoation data and photos are on there, calls, texts, etc, etc.
Just when you think a hammer is a useful tool, someone takes it from you ...... and then you die.
i'll give you another good example of both having their pros that i just witnessed.
On my galaxy s7, i could swipe with my hand to take a screen shot - which is very cool and easy and a nice gesture. I did it with my iphone out of habit and was kind of bummed about it.
However, then i went to send the screen shot on my iphone and realized i can easily crop it right there and not save the screen shot and send it onwards. In my galaxy, id have to take the screen shot, open the editor, make the edit, save as a new copy and then send it - and then go back and delete it.
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yeah i do use that for bedtime!
but it's just easier when it's on one screen. id have an alarm set for 7am and 730am (my late oh **** alarm). I also had one for the weekend. As soon as i turned either one on it tells me alarm set for 7 hrs and blah minutes. Or if i set an alarm to take a nap and it says alarm set for 3 hrs and 23 minutes. You realize, wow that's a long nap. I get the bedtime part - but it's just a nice quick feature that i never even thought about until it was gone.
On my galaxy s7, i could swipe with my hand to take a screen shot - which is very cool and easy and a nice gesture. I did it with my iphone out of habit and was kind of bummed about it.
However, then i went to send the screen shot on my iphone and realized i can easily crop it right there and not save the screen shot and send it onwards. In my galaxy, id have to take the screen shot, open the editor, make the edit, save as a new copy and then send it - and then go back and delete it.
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yeah i do use that for bedtime!
but it's just easier when it's on one screen. id have an alarm set for 7am and 730am (my late oh **** alarm). I also had one for the weekend. As soon as i turned either one on it tells me alarm set for 7 hrs and blah minutes. Or if i set an alarm to take a nap and it says alarm set for 3 hrs and 23 minutes. You realize, wow that's a long nap. I get the bedtime part - but it's just a nice quick feature that i never even thought about until it was gone.
Why exactly should i care about the security on my phone? Im not working for the damn Secret service. The majority of security threats come from users not knowing what they are doing, they open suspicious emails and click on silly links on websites. With a little knowledge and common sense I've been able to avoid any kind of security threat while using the "very dangerous" Android operating system. I guess that's what makes iOS and OSX so great for non tech savy people, they can click on and do whatever they like and not have to worry. Also lets be serious, anyone that is actually that worried about security should not be doing ANYTHING that includes personal information like online banking ect on a phone anyway.
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You don’t have to work for the secret service to want to use basic services such as online banking on your phone (which is increasingly often the most actively used computer for many). The bad guys don’t care whose money they steal but get whatever’s the easiest to obtain.
To put it shortly, unless you use your smartphone as a touch screen dumbphone, you really should pay some basic attention to security.
I agree and thats why i mentioned having some basic knowledge and common sense. However if you are really serious about security you should not be doing your banking on your phone regardless. People act like if they are using iOS they are invincible, this could not be further from the truth.
Go and give contact/photo/etc access to an app in iPhone, say bye bye to your security. Android is no worse or better than iPhone in this aspect.
Other than users stupidity, the other security issues are as severe in iPhone as in android. The reason you don't hear anything about iOS is because iOS is a black box and only apple knows what's happening inside. You are extremely naive if you think apple will openly publish all security holes in iOS that they have discovered. In this aspect android is better because you have the world scrutize everything leading to better and more discovery of security issues.
You're totally off the rails on this discussion. The point I was making is that Android phones often don't get updates, leaving them vulnerable to the exploitation of known vulnerabilities. iPhones get software updates basically forever (the iPhone 5s is still getting software updates, and it's now a race on Verizon to see if Apple dumps software updates or Verizon shuts off the 5s's CDMA network first).
You do have a good point about open source software. However, iOS right now is far more secure for the user. Lots of researchers are doing research on it, and Apple patches and gets software updates out pronto, unlike Android, where the best case scenario for a non-Pixel phone is about a month, sometimes it takes longer, and many phones are completely unsupported and stuck on Nougat or even Marshmallow.
I wonder how many people actually have up-to-date and "hardened" home computers. At least phones nowadays tend to have encryption on by default.
The Pixel 2 and 2XL are the Android phones to get period. More secure than Apple and like I said above updated monthly.
Android P is also fantastic.
Pixel 2 will only get security updates for 3 years after launch date. Meanwhile, iPhone's track record so far is 5 years of OS support. Considering the price premium Google is charging (while they get to mine your personal info to boot), it's a rip off. I'd rather just get a cheap Android One phone. They get the same longevity as pixel phones for a lot less.
Seriously, Google should give Pixel for free since they get to profit a lot more on your personal data. I don't pay for Gmail with the knowledge trade-off of Google mining my data and serving me ads. Why should I pay, let alone a premium, for Google's own phone that will obtain even more of my personal data?
I doubt the so-called researchers you were talking about. Most probably they don't have any concrete evidences except their gut feel like everyone else. Apple never released any ios source code for audit, so it is just poking in the dark.
Given Apple incompetent with software development doesn't inspire confidence at all. Every new versions of Ios seems to be very buggy and it takes many updates later to stabilized. Android releases were relatively stable.
However, I agree with you on the timely updates release on iOS. But these discovered bugs may just be the tip of the iceberg. How robust the the entire iOS, nobody really knows. How well is the security control is actually programmed is anyone's guess since ios is a black box. Android source code is fully opened so any lapses in coding can be found easier.
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No matter how poor the iOS security may look I'd still trust it more than Google as using a Pixel you are just giving all your data freely to Google. IMHO of course.
That's a fair critique of closed-source software in principle. However, from everything I've seen, Android just has a much slower patch cycle, many phones are no longer supported, and Android allows a lot more functionality in their OS that opens up security holes, like programs changing the text messaging app, Facebook chat bubbles going over other apps, etc. I'd trust iOS more on security, even though in principle, you are 100% right that open source software has an inherent security advantage over closed source.
Umm, they are not more secure than Apple. The only Android phone that is close to as secure of Apple is Samsung phones. You don't see any business supporting the Pixel.
Samsung phones have KNOX which is required for businesses to secure them. Pixels do not. Has nothing to do with updates.
Since you mentioned iPhone, it seems your galaxy can send photos to your contacts without permission.
As far as a black box, windows is the same and only Microsoft knows what is happening inside.
As far as calling someone naive i’d Say it’s naive to make any assumptions either way. apple’s behavior with security appears to be is in line with the industry. Having open source doesn’t automatically mean security holes are published real time.
KNOX is, at best, an extreme niche product. Most businesses roll out iPhones anyway.
Well, I’ve put my work email and calendar into the Knox partition as that way work Exchange limitations apply only to the Knox partition which requires a separate authentication. While this introduces some occasional extra hurdles, it does let me use smart lock in my car which is blocked if my work account is associated with the primary partition. Fortunately I can still configure calendar entries to be visible also from the main partition.
That's a good point. Maybe it is. Maybe it's a product for the domestic South Korea market where Samsung is huge and everyone uses Samsung everything?
There's nothing that ties Knox to the Korean market. There are some valid security advantages for using it and it was some years ago when the US Department of Defense added various Knox-enabled Samsung models to their list of approved devices, which is most likely quite a short list.
In addition, I'm not Korean and not using Samsung everything and still I'm running Knox for reasons stated in a post above.