iPhone 8/Plus Goodbye Android....

[4RunnerHeaven]

Here is a great example on how Android just isn't as good as iOS. You never see Apple getting alerts like this.

https://www.hackread.com/malware-infected-battery-saver-app-on-play-store/

Malware infected Battery saver app on Play Store infects 60,000 users

 

[Ravenbrook]

You can have your own ring tones using itunes. Search on google how to do it. I have a few custom ones.

I created about 20+ ringtones for the last iphone I had. It’s just a pain that’s all.

 

[BiggAW]

Seriously do people not research? It is not non-sense. You haven't been to these conferences. Open Source is the worst for hacking as it allows hackers to break into it easier. GOOGLE it if you don't believe me or the other guy. I've seen it at DEF-CON people just hacking into Android devices with ease where it takes a lot to do it on an iOS device or BlackBerry.

You obviously didn't bother to take the time to READ my post. I said an open source system will be more secure than a closed source system. This is absolutely 100% true if all else is equal. However, in my previous post, I clearly stated WHY Android is less secure, even though, as an open source system, it should be MORE secure. Android is far more permissive of changes and customizations to the OS, which is great for the user, and terrible for security, and it's highly fragmented with slow updates. That's why Android is less secure than iOS in reality, even though open source software is more secure, all else being equal.

Android has many things that make it less secure. Open Source, lack of updates, after 2 years on some, no more updates.

If you had bothered to read my post, you would see I specifically mentioned the update issues, and other things. However, open source would be more secure than closed source all else being equal (which in this case, it's clearly not).

Very obvious you are an android fan in this post. I am as well and I own iOS devices.

Again, if you had read my post, you would see that I am not a fan of either, and while I lean Android, you could selectively quote me to be a fan of either one.

Learn about how deadly this conference is to devices you bring.

https://www.engadget.com/2015/08/11/surviving-def-con/

Most people don't go to Def Con. I hope to go some day, and if I do, I won't be bringing an Android device with everything enabled. Or an Android device at all. I'll probably have an iPhone with minimal apps, and then factory reset it when I get home, and have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi turned off, and only use LTE. Also, same thing for China. Heck, I'm kinda paranoid about going to DC next week with two Android phones, they're probably both going to get stingray'ed, but at least there, they're trying to intercept the traffic itself, not install something on the device. My traffic is not that interesting, and AT&T probably feeds it to the government anyway.

There isn't a right or wrong, the choice for most is purely user preference. There are strong cases for and against either though. Android is very susceptible, but for the general public it is inconsequential as their data is only of value/important to them. I like a secure device and will forego the open source and broader support for/from 3rd party sources to obtain such securities, as the end user that is my preference. The iPhone meets all of my current needs except size, really wish the current offerings were smaller, but for everything else its good. If it didn't I wouldn't keep buying them, and I'd be over on some other web forum.

In this case, because of Android's method of software distribution and customization, you are forced to give up Open Source for security, even though that's sort of backwards, as normally, the Open Source option is the more secure option. Of course there are other trade-offs. iPhones usually "just work", Android phones "just work" until they don't, of which the latter seems to occur fairly often. However, I'm not sure that Closed vs. Open Source really means much relative to Android, as it's not like a project where many people contribute, Google just does whatever Google wants, and then eventually puts the source code out there. The big downside that I see is that other manufacturers, like Samsung and LG, are allowed to take Android, heavily modify it, and then put it out there, with relatively slow updates. Samsung has gotten better, but they still take way longer than Apple, who pushes updates out to everyone with iPhones that are now ancient all in one day.

 

[4RunnerHeaven]

You obviously didn't bother to take the time to READ my post. I said an open source system will be more secure than a closed source system. This is absolutely 100% true if all else is equal. However, in my previous post, I clearly stated WHY Android is less secure, even though, as an open source system, it should be MORE secure. Android is far more permissive of changes and customizations to the OS, which is great for the user, and terrible for security, and it's highly fragmented with slow updates. That's why Android is less secure than iOS in reality, even though open source software is more secure, all else being equal.



If you had bothered to read my post, you would see I specifically mentioned the update issues, and other things. However, open source would be more secure than closed source all else being equal (which in this case, it's clearly not).



Again, if you had read my post, you would see that I am not a fan of either, and while I lean Android, you could selectively quote me to be a fan of either one.



Most people don't go to Def Con. I hope to go some day, and if I do, I won't be bringing an Android device with everything enabled. Or an Android device at all. I'll probably have an iPhone with minimal apps, and then factory reset it when I get home, and have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi turned off, and only use LTE. Also, same thing for China. Heck, I'm kinda paranoid about going to DC next week with two Android phones, they're probably both going to get stingray'ed, but at least there, they're trying to intercept the traffic itself, not install something on the device. My traffic is not that interesting, and AT&T probably feeds it to the government anyway.



In this case, because of Android's method of software distribution and customization, you are forced to give up Open Source for security, even though that's sort of backwards, as normally, the Open Source option is the more secure option. Of course there are other trade-offs. iPhones usually "just work", Android phones "just work" until they don't, of which the latter seems to occur fairly often. However, I'm not sure that Closed vs. Open Source really means much relative to Android, as it's not like a project where many people contribute, Google just does whatever Google wants, and then eventually puts the source code out there. The big downside that I see is that other manufacturers, like Samsung and LG, are allowed to take Android, heavily modify it, and then put it out there, with relatively slow updates. Samsung has gotten better, but they still take way longer than Apple, who pushes updates out to everyone with iPhones that are now ancient all in one day.

If you actually researched you would know like most people know that Open Source is NOT more secure. Please stop posting misinformation. I read what you said, but you were wrong.

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2985242/linux/why-is-open-source-software-more-secure.html

"Anyone who makes a general statement like "Open source software is more secure," is wrong. What they should say is, "Open source software can be audited and fixed when its behavior or security is in doubt.""

 

[BiggAW]

If you actually researched you would know like most people know that Open Source is NOT more secure. Please stop posting misinformation. I read what you said, but you were wrong.

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2985242/linux/why-is-open-source-software-more-secure.html

"Anyone who makes a general statement like "Open source software is more secure," is wrong. What they should say is, "Open source software can be audited and fixed when its behavior or security is in doubt.""

As evidenced in the Verizon/AT&T iPhone thread, you obviously don't read much of anything that is posted. You just linked me to an article that supports what I have been saying, the fact that Open Source is inherently more secure than closed source code.

Of course this doesn't mean any given piece of open source software is more secure than any other piece of closed source software, just that open source starts out with a security advantage by it's very nature. In the case of Android, Google is so permissive of modifications to Android, and Apple is so focused on security that iOS ends up being more secure than Android, even though Android started with the advantage of being open source, and iOS started with the disadvantage of being closed source.

 

[4RunnerHeaven]

As evidenced in the Verizon/AT&T iPhone thread, you obviously don't read much of anything that is posted. You just linked me to an article that supports what I have been saying, the fact that Open Source is inherently more secure than closed source code.

Of course this doesn't mean any given piece of open source software is more secure than any other piece of closed source software, just that open source starts out with a security advantage by it's very nature. In the case of Android, Google is so permissive of modifications to Android, and Apple is so focused on security that iOS ends up being more secure than Android, even though Android started with the advantage of being open source, and iOS started with the disadvantage of being closed source.

No, the article proves you are wrong and you haven't had anything proving you are right yet with no links other than your opinion. Did you not just read what you said and what the article said which I put in BOLD?

Here let me do it again for you.

""Anyone who makes a general statement like "Open source software is more secure," is wrong. What they should say is, "Open source software can be audited and fixed when its behavior or security is in doubt."""

Open source will NEVER be more secure. Anyone can google that.

 

[BiggAW]

No, the article proves you are wrong and you haven't had anything proving you are right yet with no links other than your opinion.

You literally post stuff and don't even read what it says. Most of that article, which is a collection of various people's opinions, is about how Open Source is more secure than Closed Source. READ dude, READ.

 

[4RunnerHeaven]

You literally post stuff and don't even read what it says. Most of that article, which is a collection of various people's opinions, is about how Open Source is more secure than Closed Source. READ dude, READ.

But people are agreeing with me and not you...maybe you need to read.

 

[tonybarnaby]

Always funny when people whose only experience with android are on budget phones. There are so many solid android phones out there. To be honest the main reason I have an iPhone is my Apple Watch. You can’t get it to work on android or I would most likely still have my galaxy s8+. Lg v30, pixel 2/xl, oneplus 5/5T/6, mate 10 pro, galaxy s9/+, note 8, etc are all top notch phones. So many people think if you like one you have to dislike the other. Same thing happens with console gamers vs pc gamers. I like both, but Apple won me over with their watch.

 

[4RunnerHeaven]

Always funny when people whose only experience with android are on budget phones. There are so many solid android phones out there. To be honest the main reason I have an iPhone is my Apple Watch. You can’t get it to work on android or I would most likely still have my galaxy s8+. Lg v30, pixel 2/xl, oneplus 5/5T/6, mate 10 pro, galaxy s9/+, note 8, etc are all top notch phones. So many people think if you like one you have to dislike the other. Same thing happens with console gamers vs pc gamers. I like both, but Apple won me over with their watch.

Same here. The Apple Watch won me over over the S3 Gear. Otherwise I like both Android and iPhone.

 

[BiggAW]

But people are agreeing with me and not you...maybe you need to read.

No one even posted between several of our posts! You sound like Trump saying "everyone is talking about..." or "everyone is saying...".

 

[i4k20c]

I am curious if you like ios vs the android? My sister is so vocal about how much she hates Apple and ios. She loves android and how that you can customize it "your way" She hates how that with ios your locked into a set way. She said, why do you like Apple so much. I laughed and said IOS LOL

both have their pros and cons. i switched from a galaxy s7.

I think it's insane that i can't independently adjust the volumes of things. How is it not possible for me to have no sent notification noise for outgoing sms and only have incoming alert for sms. This is so easy to do on android. Also - the fact that the clock doesn't tell you how many hours, minutes the alarm is set for is odd. That's a nice tough that apple should easily be able to add. Also the fact that you cannot dual screen apps is also crazy to me.

on the other hand - my phone has yet to freeze on me. the battery is insane on this phone. everything is very smooth and does not crash and it syncs with my macbook pro wonderfully.

 

[PaulKemp]

yeah, both have pros and cons. Using common sense I've never had malware on android. Coming from s7 edge and currently own a Pixel 1st gen.

The last time I had an iOS phone I was annoyed by the limitations by Apple, but Ive seen this become better the last few iOS iterations. I've been super happy with my iPad pro 9.7" and Android phone, using things like google photos and google services to keep them in sync.

But, Andoird has its bugs as well. Not once have my Google Pixel been able to dim the screen completely when I am in bed. Not once. The Edge was the same.

Now, I am interestein in trying the X. The Huawei p20 pro is a good contender, but they are similar in cost, I aslo like the fact that the X is smaller. And the fact that I can share family photos with SO, facetime with familty to show off my kid etc is also valuable.

 

[FFR]

yeah, both have pros and cons. Using common sense I've never had malware on android. Coming from s7 edge and currently own a Pixel 1st gen.

The last time I had an iOS phone I was annoyed by the limitations by Apple, but Ive seen this become better the last few iOS iterations. I've been super happy with my iPad pro 9.7" and Android phone, using things like google photos and google services to keep them in sync.

But, Andoird has its bugs as well. Not once have my Google Pixel been able to dim the screen completely when I am in bed. Not once. The Edge was the same.

Now, I am interestein in trying the X. The Huawei p20 pro is a good contender, but they are similar in cost, I aslo like the fact that the X is smaller. And the fact that I can share family photos with SO, facetime with familty to show off my kid etc is also valuable.

FaceTime and iMessage are hard to give up.

 

[44267547]

FaceTime and iMessage are hard to give up.

FaceTime I could easily abandon, iMessage is more important to me with the shared features amongst other users. It works so well and has improved to make it More efficient with attachments, media, photo sharing, ect.

 

[BiggAW]

FaceTime and iMessage are hard to give up.

Depends on your social circle. When I had an iPhone, I kept iMessage turned off most of the time, and I never used Facetime. Most of my friends are on Android, a few are on iOS, but not enough where it makes any difference whether I use SMS or iMessage, as any group text is always going to have at least one Android person in it anyway.

 

[anitak1982]

both have their pros and cons. i switched from a galaxy s7.

I think it's insane that i can't independently adjust the volumes of things. How is it not possible for me to have no sent notification noise for outgoing sms and only have incoming alert for sms. This is so easy to do on android. Also - the fact that the clock doesn't tell you how many hours, minutes the alarm is set for is odd. That's a nice tough that apple should easily be able to add. Also the fact that you cannot dual screen apps is also crazy to me.

on the other hand - my phone has yet to freeze on me. the battery is insane on this phone. everything is very smooth and does not crash and it syncs with my macbook pro wonderfully.

The clock thing does have that ability depending on which iphone your using. Go to bedtime and set when you want to go to sleep and wake.

 

[eoblaed]

Plus it will integrate better with my iPad Pro.

Indeed! As well as any other Apple services you might be using (Messages, safari, etc).

 

[torana355]

Here is a great example on how Android just isn't as good as iOS. You never see Apple getting alerts like this.

https://www.hackread.com/malware-infected-battery-saver-app-on-play-store/

Malware infected Battery saver app on Play Store infects 60,000 users

True but in all the years i have been using Android I've never been affected by any kind of Malware or security threat so the chances are very slim in reality. There is a much higher chance of me dropping my phone on the ground and breaking it that way. The whole security thing is so overblown and is hardly a reason to lose out on all the extra functionality available on Android vs iOS. The same thing applies to Windows, its more prone to Viruses ect but its still the preferred OS for most big companies as it provides much more functionality especially at an Enterprise level.

 

[Dodgeman]

True but in all the years i have been using Android I've never been affected by any kind of Malware or security threat so the chances are very slim in reality. There is a much higher chance of me dropping my phone on the ground and breaking it that way. The whole security thing is so overblown and is hardly a reason to lose out on all the extra functionality available on Android vs iOS. The same thing applies to Windows, its more prone to Viruses ect but its still the preferred OS for most big companies as it provides much more functionality especially at an Enterprise level.

My android phone doesn't bother me much at all and I have switched up between Smasung and Apple for the past 6 years or so. Each one irritates me so I wind up switching.
Tried out a windows computer lately too and it is laggy and I can't even figure out how to do a Very Very basic simple task on it.
I am actually thinking about moving to a more expensive Mac just due to I think I like how it operates.
I also miss things on my iPhone even though I really do apperciate my Note 8...

 

[greytux]

iOS 11 is damn buggy. Worse than any Android. iOS 12 is following that footsteps. So many complaints. Plus planned obsolescence by apple. And affect whether flagships iPhone too.

How do you explain planned obsolescence when they are providing updates and performance improvements for 5-6 years? Versus 0-2 years for most Android manufacturers?

 

[Shanghaichica]

True but in all the years i have been using Android I've never been affected by any kind of Malware or security threat so the chances are very slim in reality. There is a much higher chance of me dropping my phone on the ground and breaking it that way. The whole security thing is so overblown and is hardly a reason to lose out on all the extra functionality available on Android vs iOS. The same thing applies to Windows, its more prone to Viruses ect but its still the preferred OS for most big companies as it provides much more functionality especially at an Enterprise level.

I think people are more likely to get malware on android if they side load apps from dubious sources. I know there have been instances of dodgy apps in the play store but for the most part if you stick to the play store you will be safe.

Also there have been dodgy apps in the App Store. Not as frequent as in the playstore but it does happen.

I think the risk with android is for older devices, that are running years old software and are not getting security updates. Flagship android devices will be fine.
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How do you explain planned obsolescence when they are providing updates and performance improvements for 5-6 years? Versus 0-2 years for most Android manufacturers?

I think obsolescence means something different for each person.

For people like us who come to this forum, your phone is obsolete if it’s not running the latest software. However the majority of people don’t care or even know what version of software their phone is running. For them the phone only becomes obsolete when they can’t run the apps and games they want on it.

 

[BiggAW]

For people like us who come to this forum, your phone is obsolete if it’s not running the latest software. However the majority of people don’t care or even know what version of software their phone is running. For them the phone only becomes obsolete when they can’t run the apps and games they want on it.

Everyone needs to start caring. I don't care if you care about the latest features, or changes to notifications, or task switchers, but everyone should care about security, and that's why having phones that are getting updates is important.

 

[TPadden]

..... but everyone should care about security, and that's why having phones that are getting updates is important.

Not really; face it you are in the minority trying to speak for everyone.

There are still plenty of people who use their phones ....... as phones. My wife would be happy with a flip phone, but I make her use my hand-me downs. She still just uses them as phones and there is no need to worry about anything other than battery charge .

 

[IowaLynn]

Unaware of security is no defense for an app that steals text and call history, allow defaults, share contacts on Facebook... ?