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No, there aren't. The only legit way is with Scratch, which is NOT worth the money. And it CANNOT allow you to render from AE or Premiere. Any other method (such as ffmpeg) isn't legitimate. It's an unlicensed, unverified, and outright flawed way to implement ProRes. Nothing you export will pass any sort of QC if you use such a method. Now, please don't speak authoritatively on subjects that you don't know anything about. :)

I guess you are right that there's no elegant way to render ProRes on Windows if you want follow apples legal terms. But, I'm almost tempted to say, if apple dont update their machines, they cant expect people to care about legal rights.
Luckily for me, I don't render ProRes, since I don't deliver to tv stations and don't do final rendering of that sort (mostly VFX, 3d and Photoshop). If you only do video editing then I understand your hesitation though, but in that case the current macs handles everything fine - thats not were I find the neglected macs to be suffering. But for CPU and GPU intensive tasks, such as rendering, 3d realtime and prerendering and the like, thats were the problem lies. It almost seems like Apple think that market is uninsteresting the same way they find games to be uninteresting. But the problem is that a lot (more and more) of people do offer these services to clients, through companies or as individuals. And they need their machine to handle all of it.
Currently since I have to do 3d and realtime 3d, IF I had to render Prores on a daily basis, I would just buy a mac laptop solely for the purpose of converting videos to ProRes. Because a Mac Laptop and a powerful PC is still cheaper than buying the overpriced/underpowered Mac Pro.

Have you checked out these?:
http://hdcinematics.com/Convert-V3.html
http://www.cinemartin.com/cinec/plin/
 
What's the point of recompiling using 9 year old source, vs. using a 9 year old driver?

So let's go through all the issues with what you are saying.

1) Doesn't have to be "9 year old source". As addressed in the Kernel doc I am posting for the 3rd time, if the subsystem changes, the driver should ideally change - and adapt to the improved subsystem, instead of keep using your 2007-vintage driver. Note that this applies the same to Linux, to Windows and to macos.

2) And I say "should" because DKMS is there to help backporting to older kernels. But of course, for that there must be something to be backported.

3) Note, if the driver had been sent upstream, the updating would be done automatically by the kernel maintainers. It's the sane thing to do, and the kernel maintainers ask companies to do it, FFS. The case of a company publishing sources for the drives but failing to send them upstream is most probably myopic laziness, which of course means problems for the users. Contrast: non-myopic, sane laziness would be to just let the kernel maintainers do the work for them, for free!

4) So we have the case of a lazy, or no-longer-existing company, which hasn't updated drivers in 9 years. This means that probably the moment that something changes in Windows, you're hosed. But in the RocketRaid case you yourself posted, there are instructions to recompile your drive from the original kernel 2.x release, to 3.x, to 4.x - meaning, CURRENT. So, in the same way, you can expect that the hardware will keep working for as long as there is some interest in it - not only the manufacturer. And if bad comes to worse, you yourself could do it.

5) Particularly, look at the changes mentioned in the RocketRaid case. The changes themselves are rather small - meaning, probably doable just by checking what function renames happened between kernel versions. BUT the effect can be huge; look at how one of the changes is from hpt_queuecommand() to hpt_queuecommand_lck(). That sounds like an important change, which will probably be significant for performance and/or reliability. And hey, now your driver is adapted to it! Instead, if it was the Windows case and such a new Kernel API appeared, the Kernel would anyway keep the old ABI compatibility and you would stay using the outdated functionality. But hey, at least it's convenient! Right? No matter if this means 2 conflicting APIs, which typically means that the newer one is crippled by having to coexist with the old one. Cruft for everyone, even people who avoid 9-year-old hardware.


Those improvements occurred, and they're opaque to the driver. You don't need to recompile to get the improvements.

And how do you know, in a closed-source kernel?
Well, at least we do know that the driver itself keeps working as in 2007 ;).

Here are the Ubuntu instructions for the RR62x controller - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RocketRaid .

By the fifth or sixth screen it should be obvious why many software applications have never been ported to Linux.

Do you realize that that page shows you how to adapt 2 different drivers (not a mere "software application") for 3 different major versions of the kernel? Something that is plain impossible in Windows?

... are you comparing that to a driver that didn't get updated even by its creators in 9 years?

As already said - pseudo-convenience over reading and having the most up-to-date system. Seems like you made your choice :).
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Are you sure?? Maybe you're just not noticing it, because I've experienced this issue with ALL of my Win 10 computers. Let me explain a bit more in-depth: It's how the scrolling FEELS that's inconsistent, not how it looks. Edge has silky smooth scrolling, very similar to macOS. Chrome's is okay, but it's not as smooth. The right side of Explorer (not IE) is really jaggedy when you scroll, and the left side of Explorer is really SLOW (& kind of jaggedy too). The inconsistency is INCREDIBLY annoying. If all the scrolling just felt like Edge's, I'd be super happy. Edge's scrolling is fantastic. (Maybe because it's designed for touch input?)

It's getting funnier! Turns out that Edge scrolls sideways well (if we accept "jerkily in a mushy way" as "well") - it's just that other applications, like Microsoft Help Viewer, or Microsoft Explorer, just don't accept the sideways scrolling from the trackpad.

And meanwhile, Microsoft Visual Studio Express 2015 scrolls vertically kinda acceptably in the editor pane, but the Output pane scrolls vertically in a jumpy way, and horizontally in a heavy, pixel-by-pixel way.

And it's all Microsoft applications in a Microsoft OS!!

BUT WE ALL LOVE DIVERSITY, RIGHT? :D
 
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Except for the endless nagging on this website about Mac OS looking so much better and easier to use (which of course is something any inexperienced windows user would say - the same way Windows users feel about Mac OS)

I have used Windows.. Right from Windows 95 to NT to Windows 8. I still prefer the OSX environment and ease of use. It might be subjective of course but of all the dozens of people at home and my friend circle who converted following me... Not one lamented the switch.

Anyone today clinging to Apple and has excuses that they can't use Win 10 because of the UI, settings

OSX has its flaws, especially on the hardware front. Windows 10 might be good but the extremely long time they are taking to provide a consistent environment isn't excusable.
 
Your arguments are bordering on the religious, rather than looking at it from the perspective of someone who has a third party device and wants it to "just work" after OS updates. Linux is so far away from "it just works" that it's ludicrous to bring it up on an Apple forum.

We won't get anywhere bickering on this point, so I'll sign off on the line-by-line arguments. However, there is one thing you said that can't be ignored.

Do you realize that that page shows you how to adapt 2 different drivers (not a mere "software application") for 3 different major versions of the kernel? Something that is plain impossible in Windows?
My point is that it is something that is unnecessary in Windows because of stable, opaque APIs.
 
I have used Windows.. Right from Windows 95 to NT to Windows 8. I still prefer the OSX environment and ease of use. It might be subjective of course but of all the dozens of people at home and my friend circle who converted following me... Not one lamented the switch.
For every example of someone who did not lament OS X I can find a counter example of someone who has. Anecdotes don't really mean much.

OSX has its flaws, especially on the hardware front. Windows 10 might be good but the extremely long time they are taking to provide a consistent environment isn't excusable.
Consistent environment? What does that mean?
 
For every example of someone who did not lament OS X I can find a counter example of someone who has. Anecdotes don't really mean much.
Personal experience does, isn't it ? Esp ones that have been verified in day to day usage over a period of almost 20 years ? Or one must not give personal experience examples over a long period since they might be classified as "änecdotes" ?
And anecdotes may not mean much to you. It might to others ? subjective opinion wouldn't you say ?

Consistent environment? What does that mean?
It means settings all over the place. It started with windows 8. Windows 7 was good.
 
Your arguments are bordering on the religious, rather than looking at it from the perspective of someone who has a third party device and wants it to "just work" after OS updates.

So, to you, reasoning why things are better is religious, but getting a RAID to use it with non-updated, 9-year-old drivers in a significantly newer kernel (I hope??) is A-OK.

Mmmm-hm.

Linux is so far away from "it just works" that it's ludicrous to bring it up on an Apple forum.

In that you are right. I only brought it up because someone mentioned Windows as an alternative, which is even more absurd.

We won't get anywhere bickering on this point, so I'll sign off on the line-by-line arguments. However, there is one thing you said that can't be ignored.

My point is that it is something that is unnecessary in Windows because of stable, opaque APIs.

But my whole point is that what you call "unnecessary in Windows" is in fact impossible even if you wanted to - and you would want, if you stopped to think.
Meanwhile, "unnecessary in Linux" is to depend on 9-year-old drivers, nor their possibly deprecated Kernel APIs.

And conveniently, you still didn't mention one API or data structure that you would prefer to be opaque in Linux, nor did you even try rebating the Kernel doc. You just repeat the mantra. As an article of faith. But it's me the religious one.

It's just a... pretty opaque argument :D.
 
Personal experience does, isn't it ? Esp ones that have been verified in day to day usage over a period of almost 20 years ? Or one must not give personal experience examples over a long period since they might be classified as "änecdotes" ?
And anecdotes may not mean much to you. It might to others ? subjective opinion wouldn't you say ?
What your statement amounts to is you know some people who are happy with their switch to the Macintosh. For every one of those I can give you examples of people who have disliked the Macintosh and switched back. In the end neither of our examples prove one platform better than the other.

It means settings all over the place. It started with windows 8. Windows 7 was good.
Settings all over the place? What does this mean? There are two primary places to change settings: Settings and Control Panel. I'd hardly consider this an imposition on the user. I have to say this sounds more like an anti-Windows talking point rather than a real issue. I cannot see someone needing to change settings so frequently that this would be an issue. Even if it were there are too many people mentioning this same issue. Perhaps you can come up with an original criticism of Windows...like aaronhead14 did (despite the fact i am unable to reproduce his issue)?
 
1. Mac with Windows feels even more clunky, and awkward than PC. If you do not believe, buy a Mac and install, and use both systems on the same computer.
2. I wasn't saying that. Like always, you have not read properly my intention there.
3. Looks like people are tending to agree with him, and this particular post. Maybe you do not?
4. Maybe you should also take chill pill? I know that, actually. Maybe your interpretation of my words is incorrect. Have you ever thought about this?

Got two cMPs, both running windows.
mp 1,1 with windows 7 at work and mp 5,1 with windows 8 at home...and the both feel quite good under windows. My 5,1 has gtx1070 in it, so yea, can't even boot into OS X...and frankly I couldn't care less, but it sure runs amazing under windows:)
 
I have to say this sounds more like an anti-Windows talking point rather than a real issue. I cannot see someone needing to change settings so frequently that this would be an issue. Even if it were there are too many people mentioning this same issue.

You are contradicting your own stance. You are suggesting that windows settings in two different places is not an issue for you. Even if it is for many. That is your opinion. It isn't a fact as you seem to suggest it is. Yet you insist my own experience in OSX coupled with a lot of people I know personally is an anecdote and invalid. Who decides ? You ?What is your point ?
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What your statement amounts to is you know some people who are happy with their switch to the Macintosh. For every one of those I can give you examples of people who have disliked the Macintosh and switched back. In the end neither of our examples prove one platform better than the other.

Did I say - in anywhere that one is better than other ? Assume much ? Should I rely on your inferences and opinions or my own and those I know personally ?
 
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You are contradicting your own stance. You are suggesting that windows settings in two different places is not an issue for you. Even if it is for many. That is your opinion. It isn't a fact as you seem to suggest it is. Yet you insist my own experience in OSX coupled with a lot of people I know personally is an anecdote and invalid. Who decides ? You ?What is your point ?
I already stated my point:

I have to say this sounds more like an anti-Windows talking point rather than a real issue.​

I cannot for the life of me see this being a real issue for any average user. Unless your task requires repeatedly changing settings this is more of a talking point rather than a real issue.

But perhaps I'm missing something. Please detail how having two different areas to alter settings tangibly impacts your use of Windows.


Did I say - in anywhere that one is better than other ? Assume much ? Should I rely on your inferences and opinions or my own and those I know personally ?
If that was not your implication then what value does your anecdotes provide?
 
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The point was in reply to one member suggesting that not liking windows suggests an inexperienced user. Instead of quoting some else or furnishing some article, I offered my own experience as a counterpoint suggesting that favouring one OS over another is subjective at best. And that need not mean inexperience.
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I have to say this sounds more like an anti-Windows talking point rather than a real issue.

Sigh ! 'Sounds" ? To you maybe. Not all. Again arguing against usage of opinion with opinion of your own.
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Please detail how having two different areas to alter settings tangibly impacts your use of Windows.

Every interaction, with the system impacts my usage. the more consistent it is, the better it is. Why does it need specific examples. Are you suggesting having settings in two places is better than being consistent in UX ?
 
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The point was in reply to one member suggesting that not liking windows suggests an inexperienced user. Instead of quoting some else or furnishing some article, I offered my own experience as a counterpoint suggesting that favouring one OS over another is subjective at best. And that need not mean inexperience.
Of course it is. Something I've repeatedly stated. So what value does your example offer?

Sigh ! 'Sounds" ? To you maybe. Not all. Again arguing against usage of opinion with opinion of your own.
Frankly I don't believe your opinion is based on any real issue but rather an anti-Windows talking point. I'm open to your demonstrating this is a tangible issue for you. Until such time I have no choice to conclude you're finding fault with it based on a talking point.

Every interaction, with the system impacts my usage. the more consistent it is, the better it is. Why does it need specific examples. Are you suggesting having settings in two places is better than being consistent in UX ?
All operating systems, including macOS, have UI issues. Unless you intend to use one as a problem with Windows I fail to see the relevance of discussing them.
 
Of course it is. Something I've repeatedly stated. So what value does your example offer?
Frankly I don't believe your opinion is based on any real issue but rather an anti-Windows talking point. I'm open to your demonstrating this is a tangible issue for you. Until such time I have no choice to conclude you're finding fault with it based on a talking point.
All operating systems, including macOS, have UI issues. Unless you intend to use one as a problem with Windows I fail to see the relevance of discussing them.
You are welcome to your conclusions and opinions.
What values do your opinions offer ?
 
It's so good that this thread is here so I can vent off :D.

OH HAI GUYS AGAIN

Now turns out that I have to install Windows 7 for some compatibility testing. And looks like people all around the world already know that it's normal to have to wait >24 hours for Windows 7 SP1 to self-update!!

InfoWorld thinks, and explains, that this looks more like sheer negligence than like conspiracy - though that would also be bad, right? Right?

They called this function about 3,270,000 times during the 2 hour check for updates. Microsoft says "Only call this once, it won't change between boots", Microsoft calls it 3.27 MILLION times. Windows update is slow.

My question is, can you imagine what would happen if Microsoft made an OS? :D

(And if anyone finds him/herself in this new Microsoft(TM) Pit of Despair(TM), you can try fixing it yourself. Because it looks like Microsoft(TM) won't!)

(Oh, I just realized - Ubuntu self-updates ACROSS FULL RELEASES faster than Win7 self-updates just on top of a SP1!! :D:D:D @AidenShaw, looks like this is yet another case where Windows' ABI compatibility still doesn't help sh*t! ;) )
 
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So it's alright if you offer counterpoints and believe it adds value ( I didn't see any except arguing for the sake of argument ) but not if I do ?
Perhaps you missed the following I wrote earlier:

In the end neither of our examples prove one platform better than the other.​

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/goodbye-apple.2009741/page-30#post-23970240

The difference between you and I is I'm not offering mine as a reason avoid using a particular operating system.
 
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I cannot for the life of me see this being a real issue for any average user.

It may not be for the average or experienced user but for the new users I think it is.
I personally have no issue because I have used in daily basis windows since 3.1 version, but a new one who sees a settings menu available when he/she wants to just turn off the computer, will easily assume that this is there for everything. Control panel is not directly available/handy as it used to be, you have to try more to reach it,so it may be a bit confusing, imho, for new users...
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Which brings us back to this statement:

Unless you intend to use one as a problem with Windows I fail to see the relevance of discussing them.​

Exactly ! Unless you intend to justify usage of your opinion to argue against the usage of opinions, I fail to see the relevance of your discussions.
 
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