Goodbye

[cardfan]

So you joined this forum on Friday 1pm , left at 2:05pm to say goodbye to people you never chatted to in your life. hilarious!

Would it have mattered when he joined? The response is still the same. Basically whatever. Who cares. And good riddance.

This like an onion post. Unknown poster claims he’s done with macs forever. The community was devastated. Some tried to talk him out of it. Others said they’re simply still in shock. Counselors are on standby.

 

[ericwn]

I donno
their macbook and printer is just another brick, i recall!

The OP mentioned no bricking of their MacBook.

 

[Shirasaki]

Heh. Software has bugs and issues, blame user. Sounds about right. OP does have his own share of blame to not have good backup practice, but Apple is far from free of blame here. iOS 15 and Monterey half ruined AirPods Pro experience unless I literally only connect it to iPhone. And bugs are reported fairly early on the product lifecycle. People loved macOS because “it just works”, and now using macOS would need same level of precautions like using Microsoft Windows, which is just plain old sad. Had apple never heavily advertised their products “just works”, such complain might be tuned down a bit.

As for “USING” macOS, you can’t expect a random dude buying M1 Mac to purposefully find apple silicon supported software and install that one. Even browser download page recommend Intel Mac, meaning Rosetta and losing performance, plus random issues. Again, OP is indeed ranting, but to me his rant at least has some level of water, and not entirely baseless.

Anyways guys, have a nice day.

 

[zakarhino]

The OP puts the blame for their own actions elsewhere. And as already pointed out by the mods, the thread was moved to the alternative forum section.
Reading the feedback and comments rather than misrepresenting them in the hyperbole of your entry sentences would have helped.

"Misrepresenting" "hyperbole"

So you haven't read the first page then or maybe you're jaded enough to not consider "why did you have to tell us, go make a sign on the side of the road instead" or "this is a melodramatic whine" to be rude responses.

Also it's kinda funny how you and many others think about this problem as if the status quo is some natural rule of law. As if there are not a plethora of options companies such as Apple could take to mitigate these issues and make the process a whole lot easier for users. No, the issue is entirely the user's fault, they should have known better and Apple shouldn't do anything differently to help counter these problems. Making an entire backup of your system, wiping the drive, and restoring from a previous backup is not a trivial process and being required to do that to perform an upgrade speaks more to the poor design of an OS than it does anything else.

The OS should be designed around the user, not the other way around. In a more modular paradigm problems like these either wouldn't happen or would be a lot easier to work around.

The mods moved this to the "alternatives" forum. The OP had no "foresight". He just came here to vent.

In your opinion, the post was pointless, the responses were pointless, but you had to post to make us all aware of that. Thanks. I feel better now.

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I didn't say the OP post was pointless, I said some of the responses attacking him were pointless, unhelpful, or overall a net negative energy to the thread. Most of your post is talking about the particulars of OP's problem when what I'm primarily concerned with is the tone of responses to him. Second to that I'm disappointed with the default attitude of some customers that would sooner blame the user rather than theorize how the products they're buying could fundamentally improve to make the user's life easier.

 

[millerj123]

Heh. Software has bugs and issues, blame user. Sounds about right. OP does have his own share of blame to not have good backup practice, but Apple is far from free of blame here. iOS 15 and Monterey half ruined AirPods Pro experience unless I literally only connect it to iPhone. And bugs are reported fairly early on the product lifecycle. People loved macOS because “it just works”, and now using macOS would need same level of precautions like using Microsoft Windows, which is just plain old sad. Had apple never heavily advertised their products “just works”, such complain might be tuned down a bit.

As for “USING” macOS, you can’t expect a random dude buying M1 Mac to purposefully find apple silicon supported software and install that one. Even browser download page recommend Intel Mac, meaning Rosetta and losing performance, plus random issues. Again, OP is indeed ranting, but to me his rant at least has some level of water, and not entirely baseless.

Anyways guys, have a nice day.

It’s actually good to read what’s written. He said “forced to install an upgrade”, not bought a new M1 Mac.

 

[ericwn]

"Misrepresenting" "hyperbole"

So you haven't read the first page then or maybe you're jaded enough to not consider "why did you have to tell us, go make a sign on the side of the road instead" or "this is a melodramatic whine" to be rude responses.

Also it's kinda funny how you and many others think about this problem as if the status quo is some natural rule of law. As if there are not a plethora of options companies such as Apple could take to mitigate these issues and make the process a whole lot easier for users. No, the issue is entirely the user's fault, they should have known better and Apple shouldn't do anything differently to help counter these problems. Making an entire backup of your system, wiping the drive, and restoring from a previous backup is not a trivial process and being required to do that to perform an upgrade speaks more to the poor design of an OS than it does anything else.

The OS should be designed around the user, not the other way around. In a more modular paradigm problems like these either wouldn't happen or would be a lot easier to work around.



I didn't say the OP post was pointless, I said some of the responses attacking him were pointless, unhelpful, or overall a net negative energy to the thread. Most of your post is talking about the particulars of OP's problem when what I'm primarily concerned with is the tone of responses to him. Second to that I'm disappointed with the default attitude of some customers that would sooner blame the user rather than theorize how the products they're buying could fundamentally improve to make the user's life easier.

Based on the attitude presented by the OP, he was melodramatic and calling that out is fair.

The OP made zero checks and denied any responsibility and that is the issue me and plenty others take with that entitled post. Sure you may still somehow believe that Tim Cook should personally apologize, but it’s just not going to happen.

The OP had 15 years to learn the tool. Making an entire backup is also not rocket science and there is plenty of help available - in the Information Age. Those who chose to remain uninformed cannot always be helped.

If you drive your car for 15 years and then suddenly decide to try reverse gear for the first time and crash into something you’re not going to complain about your car manufacturer for your accident, or maybe some will…

Oh, and Apple has a had a months-long beta phase to help mitigate these issues, and that for many years and releases.

 

[AZhappyjack]

I didn't say the OP post was pointless, I said some of the responses attacking him were pointless, unhelpful, or overall a net negative energy to the thread. Most of your post is talking about the particulars of OP's problem when what I'm primarily concerned with is the tone of responses to him. Second to that I'm disappointed with the default attitude of some customers that would sooner blame the user rather than theorize how the products they're buying could fundamentally improve to make the user's life easier.

How helpful should "some of the responses" be? The OP came in, whinged up the place, blamed Apple for his actions and never bothered to ask for help ("how can I recover from this?")... or even bothered to return at all. Do you think he realized that he was igniting a power keg?

There's not a product on this earth that could not be improved upon. That doesn't discount the OP's total and absolute responsibility for what happened to his set up. Shame on all of us for not patting him on the backside and handing him his obligatory participation ribbon.

Life can be hard. It's even harder when one acts stupidly.

 

[Shirasaki]

It’s actually good to read what’s written. He said “forced to install an upgrade”, not bought a new M1 Mac.

Ok that’s fair. Didn’t spend much time reading his post. TLDR.

 

[bradl]

Heh. Software has bugs and issues, blame user. Sounds about right. OP does have his own share of blame to not have good backup practice, but Apple is far from free of blame here. iOS 15 and Monterey half ruined AirPods Pro experience unless I literally only connect it to iPhone. And bugs are reported fairly early on the product lifecycle. People loved macOS because “it just works”, and now using macOS would need same level of precautions like using Microsoft Windows, which is just plain old sad. Had apple never heavily advertised their products “just works”, such complain might be tuned down a bit.

As for “USING” macOS, you can’t expect a random dude buying M1 Mac to purposefully find apple silicon supported software and install that one. Even browser download page recommend Intel Mac, meaning Rosetta and losing performance, plus random issues. Again, OP is indeed ranting, but to me his rant at least has some level of water, and not entirely baseless.

Anyways guys, have a nice day.

This isn’t some “random dude” buying a new Mac. This was a guy with “15 years experience” with Macs, and upgrading an existing, already purchased Mac. If that is the case, that puts his experience to be going back to 2006 with Puma if not Lynx, and definitely includes Leopard.

Time Machine was introduced with Leopard in 2008, giving the OP 13 years of time to know and use Time Machine. In short, time is really no excuse here, when if he is as experienced as he claims, then he should have known what perils come with upgrades and the lack of any failsafe in case those upgrades failed.

That is totally on him, not Apple or anyone else.

BL.

 

[millerj123]

Ok that’s fair. Didn’t spend much time reading his post. TLDR.

I bought a new MBP, and am suffering because Samsung doesn't work. However, I have many functional options, so I'm not sweating it yet.

 

[cardfan]

This isn’t some “random dude” buying a new Mac. This was a guy with “15 years experience” with Macs, and upgrading an existing, already purchased Mac. If that is the case, that puts his experience to be going back to 2006 with Puma if not Lynx, and definitely includes Leopard.

Time Machine was introduced with Leopard in 2008, giving the OP 13 years of time to know and use Time Machine. In short, time is really no excuse here, when if he is as experienced as he claims, then he should have known what perils come with upgrades and the lack of any failsafe in case those upgrades failed.

That is totally on him, not Apple or anyone else.

BL.

I know. That’s what it made it all the more devastating that he just. Just left us. Stupid printers. When I stop to think of all the milestones he must’ve went through with his trusty mac and now. It’s no more. So sad. I just can’t imagine.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Ok that’s fair. Didn’t spend much time reading his post. TLDR.

Hopefully you didn’t waste much time reading replies deriding the guy either.

Sometimes this community can be just awful in my opinion.

Why folks can’t just move beyond threads they don’t have interest in, I have no idea.
For some reason, some people have to ruin everything for everybody else and try to “be right” or have a cute snarky comment.

I think it’s a result of the modern web and all the polarization and fighting about seemingly everything.
It’s a drag.

(Counting down the seconds until the attack starts on me for even saying this)

 

[millerj123]

Hopefully you didn’t waste much time reading replies deriding the guy either.

Sometimes this community can be just awful in my opinion.

Why folks can’t just move beyond threads they don’t have interest, I have no idea.
For some reason, some people have to ruin everything for everybody else and try to “be right” or have a cute snarky comment.

I think it’s a result of the modern web and all the polarization and fighting about seemingly everything.
It’s a drag.

(Counting down the seconds until the attack starts on me for even saying this)

Wait, there was no request for help. Help was offered, but spurned. This is a rant thread.

 

[AZhappyjack]

Hopefully you didn’t waste much time reading replies deriding the guy either.

Sometimes this community can be just awful in my opinion.

Why folks can’t just move beyond threads they don’t have interest, I have no idea.
For some reason, some people have to ruin everything for everybody else and try to “be right” or have a cute snarky comment.

I think it’s a result of the modern web and all the polarization and fighting about seemingly everything.
It’s a drag.

(Counting down the seconds until the attack starts on me for even saying this)

If that's the case, what are you doing in this thread?

"Deriding the guy"? Pointing out that he played a HUGE role in the demise of his set up is hardly "deriding".

 

[ericwn]

Wait, there was no request for help. Help was offered, but spurned. This is a rant thread.

Careful, someone will call you out for “attacking” them when you respond to their post.

 

[LeeW]

Jeez, how do some of you manage to achieve anything each day if you get this triggered by a forum post.

 

[triptolemus]

Jeez, how do some of you manage to achieve anything each day if you get this triggered by a forum post.

Says the guy with 5 posts in the thread.

 

[Brien]

See ya?

I’ve lived through 3 CPU transitions, rising/falling market share, still here, not going anywhere. Enjoy Win11, hear it’s great.

 

[LeeW]

Says the guy with 5 posts in the thread.

I am not triggered nor obsessed as some of you clearly are with the OP who has said his bit and left. I mean really, taking the time to count my posts in a thread. Step away. This is the 6th, to save you the effort.

 

[ericwn]

Says the guy with 5 posts in the thread.

Some are still surprised about the dynamics of discussion forums, even if their own post count is four digit.

 

[zakarhino]

not gonna waste any more time in this thread as it doesn't have the content i was looking for. all I'm gonna say is you don't have to get offended or triggered because someone dared to suggest engaging in a more friendly manner rather than defaulting to condescension because you're upset someone doesn't like the same things as you lol. i say this because i like seeing critique threads but they get derailed instantly with "just leave and buy a windows then" or "why did you have to tell us this"

 

[JoForumBlueGold]

You'll be back.

soon you'll see, you'll remember that you belong to me

 

[Shirasaki]

This isn’t some “random dude” buying a new Mac. This was a guy with “15 years experience” with Macs, and upgrading an existing, already purchased Mac. If that is the case, that puts his experience to be going back to 2006 with Puma if not Lynx, and definitely includes Leopard.

Time Machine was introduced with Leopard in 2008, giving the OP 13 years of time to know and use Time Machine. In short, time is really no excuse here, when if he is as experienced as he claims, then he should have known what perils come with upgrades and the lack of any failsafe in case those upgrades failed.

That is totally on him, not Apple or anyone else.

BL.

Doesn’t exclude that guy being a random dude on the Internet. It‘s not like he‘s a celebrity or sth by the looks of it. Besides, “15 years of experience” doesnt translate to what he actually know, but merely a stamp showing he’s using macOS long enough. In addition, printing in macOS and iOS isn‘t always easy, as driver support is usually sketchier than on Windows and Linux, both of which sees intensive use in business and enterprise environment.

I agree OP not doing full system backup before jumping the gun is bad, and it’s his fault. Maybe Apple should nag users more on Time Machine backup so people can at least be annoyed enough to make one, pretending they care about their own data.

 

[Shirasaki]

not gonna waste any more time in this thread as it doesn't have the content i was looking for. all I'm gonna say is you don't have to get offended or triggered because someone dared to suggest engaging in a more friendly manner rather than defaulting to condescension because you're upset someone doesn't like the same things as you lol. i say this because i like seeing critique threads but they get derailed instantly with "just leave and buy a windows then" or "why did you have to tell us this"

And the never old “if you want sideloading just go andrid” or “if you hate Mac so much why use macOS?”.

This thread suddenly reminds me of something called “Cancel Culture” (nothing political), which seems to be pretty fitting in this forum, especially after M1 Mac release.

 

[ericwn]

Doesn’t exclude that guy being a random dude on the Internet. It‘s not like he‘s a celebrity or sth by the looks of it. Besides, “15 years of experience” doesnt translate to what he actually know, but merely a stamp showing he’s using macOS long enough. In addition, printing in macOS and iOS isn‘t always easy, as driver support is usually sketchier than on Windows and Linux, both of which sees intensive use in business and enterprise environment.

I agree OP not doing full system backup before jumping the gun is bad, and it’s his fault. Maybe Apple should nag users more on Time Machine backup so people can at least be annoyed enough to make one, pretending they care about their own data.

Good that we all agree, it’s totally on the OP.
This is nothing but a PEBKAC situation.

If the claims of the OP with regards to 15 years experience were true, they’d know how to handle a macOS backup and to make sure their accessories work before upgrading, especially if your setup contains three printers - which I’m sure many have had funky issues with at some stage in the earlier OS X versions, at least.

The OP came here for a rant, nothing more.