Goodbye

[Shirasaki]

Good that we all agree, it’s totally on the OP.
This is nothing but a PEBKAC situation.

If the claims of the OP with regards to 15 years experience were true, they’d know how to handle a macOS backup and to make sure their accessories work before upgrading, especially if your setup contains three printers - which I’m sure many have had funky issues with at some stage in the earlier OS X versions, at least.

The OP came here for a rant, nothing more.

Well, I should’ve known by now this is the consensus. Wonder why I expect more.

 

[Shirasaki]

Hopefully you didn’t waste much time reading replies deriding the guy either.

Sometimes this community can be just awful in my opinion.

Why folks can’t just move beyond threads they don’t have interest in, I have no idea.
For some reason, some people have to ruin everything for everybody else and try to “be right” or have a cute snarky comment.

I think it’s a result of the modern web and all the polarization and fighting about seemingly everything.
It’s a drag.

(Counting down the seconds until the attack starts on me for even saying this)

Start to feel I am wasting more time reading and posting replies here.
It’s just difficult to see something from truly both sides.
Reminds me of early internet days, when such discussion was more civil and more constructive.

 

[bradl]

Start to feel I am wasting more time reading and posting replies here.
It’s just difficult to see something from truly both sides.
Reminds me of early internet days, when such discussion was more civil and more constructive.

We have been more constructive.

We've asked where his backups are. We've asked if he has done the work to see if his printers work with Monterey. We have asked if he queried the vendor as to the status of those drivers...

The OP has been more silent than a herd of impalas sitting and watching while one of theirs is being devoured by a pride of lions.

We've offered those solutions, and heard nothing in response to those offerings. We've been constructive; could you say the same of the OP?

BL.

 

[mi7chy]

Just had to downgrade from Monterey to Big Sur that took half a day compared to about 30 minutes for Windows so suggesting for him to downgrade MacOS is not viable.

 

[throAU]

One could argue that if the OP was incapable of backing up his valuable data, or ignoring the UPGRADE button, the Linux world is probably not going to be his solution to anything.

A modern linux desktop is no harder to use than Windows, really.

Unless you're trying to game on it, and even then - that's likely easier than with a Mac if you're using Proton.

Yeah there are edge cases, but by and large, Linux is actually less hassle than Windows for a lot of things in 2021.

 

[Marshall73]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

Typical user, upgrading without checking if your hardware or software was compatible. We see this happen with every big os upgrade, xp to 7, 7 to 8, 8 to 10 and with each release of macOS. The simple truth is personal responsibility, no one takes it. You could have checked, you could have returned to the previous OS but no, you “jumped ship” and came here to crow about it.

 

[OnawaAfrica]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

well how about u wait some time before u update to the newest os? and btw the Big Sur Driver should work on Monterey aswell. But anyway GOOD LUCK with your newly acquired windows 10 Maschine

 

[Lihp8270]

Typical user, upgrading without checking if your hardware or software was compatible. We see this happen with every big os upgrade, xp to 7, 7 to 8, 8 to 10 and with each release of macOS. The simple truth is personal responsibility, no one takes it. You could have checked, you could have returned to the previous OS but no, you “jumped ship” and came here to crow about it.

The difference is that MacOS is yearly that these issues occur.

There’s Something to be said about the insane backwards compatibility with windows and how it holds the OS back.

But there has to be a middle ground, ever year apple update the OS and every year it breaks support for basic peripherals, and software.

People complain about apple not supporting developers or taking cuts from App Store sales etc. But the biggest “anti developer” practice apple do is forcing developers to revisit their software library every single year to make sure it’s going to stay working.

There’s a lot of talk around gaming on mac too and this going to be a huge hurdle. Developers aren’t going to revisit games checking for support every year for several years.

Apple need to do more to ensure software and hardware compatibility over different OS versions

 

[skitidetdu]

Why not just buy a new printer instead 🤷‍♂️ (Irony)

 

[throAU]

This isn’t some “random dude” buying a new Mac. This was a guy with “15 years experience” with Macs, and upgrading an existing, already purchased Mac. If that is the case, that puts his experience to be going back to 2006 with Puma if not Lynx, and definitely includes Leopard.

Time Machine was introduced with Leopard in 2008, giving the OP 13 years of time to know and use Time Machine. In short, time is really no excuse here, when if he is as experienced as he claims, then he should have known what perils come with upgrades and the lack of any failsafe in case those upgrades failed.

That is totally on him, not Apple or anyone else.

BL.

More to the point, if he's been using Macs for 15 years he hasn't seen the total disaster that Windows security (and the forced upgrade treadmill) has become.

I use/run/administer both (windows since 1992 and Mac since 2007 - plus Linux since 1996) and as far as I'm concerned, I'll take Apple any day of the week. I use/administer windows PCs at work because I have to (it pays the bills).

I buy Macs with my own money.

 

[MBAir2010]

Start to feel I am wasting more time reading and posting replies here.
It’s just difficult to see something from truly both sides.
Reminds me of early internet days, when such discussion was more civil and more constructive.

what i try to do is help someone here or give an experience were that was helpful
for every sarcastic or useless comment i post in thread like this that go sour.

seems to me the older MacBook and OS threads have more comradely.

 

[MLVC]

OP got his 15 minutes of fame om Macrumors. Time to move on.

 

[dogslobber]

Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a cheaper, macOS compatible printer? The latest Macs don't have parallel ports anymore. You can pick up a brand new laser printer for 50 bucks if you know where to look.

 

[BeefCake 15]

Upgrades to Windows because Apple has too many updates lol....you're in for an awakening!

 

[AZhappyjack]

Just had to downgrade from Monterey to Big Sur that took half a day compared to about 30 minutes for Windows so suggesting for him to downgrade MacOS is not viable.

Not without a backup... but there are tools that would have made restoring pretty simple... Carbon Copy Cloner, SuperDuper, even Time Machine... but since he had no backup at all, this part of the discussion is moot.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Well, I should’ve known by now this is the consensus. Wonder why I expect more.

Just the fact that it’s a user with just six posts, yeah, I’m surprised that’s the consensus, too. Someone that has been using Macs for over 15 years and only just NOW found MacRumors to say “Goodbye?”

More than likely, it’s just someone having a bad day and wanting to spread those bad feelings or a user that just doesn’t want to troll under their legacy account rather than any of… whatever was going on in the original post. The consensus should be that it was an entirely fictional account and I, too, expected that people would pick up on this!

 

[Herra]

Still no worries, I’ll just bash on with windows (which seem strangely enough to “just work”)

I find this quite interesting. Perhaps in this user's workflow this is true, but how many countless Windows users have struggled to get printers to behave correctly due to driver issues?

There are many people who dive headfirst into projects assuming all will go swimmingly, or "just work" when reading the instructions ahead of time almost always helps out.

I hope you find what you are looking for in Windows 11.

 

[throAU]

Apple need to do more to ensure software and hardware compatibility over different OS versions

Apple have this thing every year called WWDC where developers are told 3,5,10 years in advance to stop using APIs they plan to drop in favour of what will be supported moving forward. Anyone getting caught out is simply not paying attention or ignoring the recommendations for years.

 

[Lihp8270]

Apple have this thing every year called WWDC where developers are told 3,5,10 years in advance to stop using APIs they plan to drop in favour of what will be supported moving forward. Anyone getting caught out is simply not paying attention or ignoring the recommendations for years.

But yet on Windows you can run software from well over a decade ago.

I’m not saying Windows is “better”. But Apple has to do more, to ensure compatibility going forwards for legacy products.

Or, simply consumers understand that Apples methods may result in their otherwise fine hardware and software in some cases being obsoleted before it needs to be, and make the decision of whether that’s important to them

 

[bsamcash]

It's not uncommon for a thread to start suffering diminishing returns around here, but this is silly.

 

[throAU]

But yet on Windows you can run software from well over a decade ago.

Sometimes.

I've got PLENTY of broken software that no longer runs on Windows.

and really...

If it's serious software, chances are if it is from a decade ago it is full of security problems and/or does not take advantage of the performance capabilities of your current machine. And you can run it happily inside a virtual machine if required on the older OS, inside your new OS.

if its a game... boohoo. Yeah, I've got boxes and boxes of PC games going back to the 90s, so I feel your pain, but....

 

[bradl]

But yet on Windows you can run software from well over a decade ago.

I’m not saying Windows is “better”. But Apple has to do more, to ensure compatibility going forwards for legacy products.

Or, simply consumers understand that Apples methods may result in their otherwise fine hardware and software in some cases being obsoleted before it needs to be, and make the decision of whether that’s important to them

Apple isn't going to have everyone's legacy product, so it isn't really fair to blame Apple for that.

If Apple gave the announcement for their roadmap over a year ago, if not longer, then the onus of keeping those applications up on support would also fall on the developers of those applications.

Apple is, however, throwing those developers a bone in giving them time to get their legacy applications running by having Rosetta 2 available. So ensuring compatibility? That is already covered.

In short, blaming the makers for the OS for the problem when that problem clearly falls on the 3rd party developers of the software for that legacy product is also disingenuous.

I mean, I can't blame Apple if my Brother HL-3180CDW printer doesn't work on Monterey when it does on Sierra. Where was Brother in not updating their drivers for compatibility? (for the record, I have no problem with my printer; this just shows an example.)

BL.

 

[FNH15]

But yet on Windows you can run software from well over a decade ago.

I’m not saying Windows is “better”. But Apple has to do more, to ensure compatibility going forwards for legacy products.

Or, simply consumers understand that Apples methods may result in their otherwise fine hardware and software in some cases being obsoleted before it needs to be, and make the decision of whether that’s important to them

No. No they don’t.

Want to be hamstrung by the past? Use Windows.
For the record, I do. I use Windows 7 on a ThinkPad T60 to diagnose my 1991 BMW 850i.
Great for that use case. Also use a similar machine to run some even older software for the car in XP.

The ARM transition wouldn’t have been possible without abandoning 32bit apps...

 

[throAU]

As an aside, I have macOS 9.2 running in a vm on my 14”

 

[Lihp8270]

Apple isn't going to have everyone's legacy product, so it isn't really fair to blame Apple for that.

If Apple gave the announcement for their roadmap over a year ago, if not longer, then the onus of keeping those applications up on support would also fall on the developers of those applications.

Apple is, however, throwing those developers a bone in giving them time to get their legacy applications running by having Rosetta 2 available. So ensuring compatibility? That is already covered.

In short, blaming the makers for the OS for the problem when that problem clearly falls on the 3rd party developers of the software for that legacy product is also disingenuous.

I mean, I can't blame Apple if my Brother HL-3180CDW printer doesn't work on Monterey when it does on Sierra. Where was Brother in not updating their drivers for compatibility? (for the record, I have no problem with my printer; this just shows an example.)

BL.

We are not talking about x64 vs M1 transition though. There is issues every year where developers take time to catch up.

Does the OS need to be so different that functionality of such simple devices changes to the point they don’t function?

Both me and the OH have to go through our applications and peripherals every year and make sure they all work before updating. On balance it’s worth the hassle for now. But it’s unfair to blame users who don’t want to, and I also believe they shouldn’t have to every year.

For a company that so heavily pushes user experience, how is the current update process a good experience? For all the issues with windows update, it’s process these days is much smoother in regards to making a restore point automatically etc. have an issue? Go to updates and hit roll back. The user doesn’t need to do any management.

Apple need to focus on adapting to lazy users as they’re starting to fall behind other systems. Though at the moment the balance of the whole package tips in their favour with laptops.