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Mojave is OSX part of the 10 series.It’s called macOS for a while now.
and old habits......
In 2016, with the release of macOS 10.12 Sierra, the name was changed from OS X to macOS to align it with the branding of Apple's other primary operating systems: iOS, watchOS, and tvOS. macOS 10.12 Sierra's main features are the introduction of Siri to macOS, Optimized Storage, improvements to included applications, and greater integration with Apple's iPhone and Apple Watch. The Apple File System (APFS) was announced at Apple's annual Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) in June 2016 as a replacement for HFS+, a highly criticized file system.
Mojave is 10.14, so it was macOS and not OS X.
source: 1.4 macOS
wow this was weird
i was just on this getting a link page helping someone here get Mojave.
for me i am too used to typing OSX since the 2000's and probably wont stop.
oh well
I get you - informally I’ve used OSX, but when talking to others I now use macOS.
keyboard shortcuts in macOS helps... just replace OS X with macOS... and FWIW, not sure there ever was an "OSX" ... was always "OS X" ... but I don't want to be "that guy"
"why did you have to tell us!?!??!"
"wow you're a fool!"
"why did you upgrade OS version?"
"you should have just made a backup, idiot!"
8 pages of people being mad that someone decided to use a forum the way it was intended: to talk about their experiences and let others respond with their on topic experiences too. At least the OP had the foresight to place this thread in the "Alternatives to Mac" sub forum.
We don't need 100 replies letting him know you still like macOS, we know, there are threads to post your positive experiences and love for the OS but this is not one of them. If you think the OP post was pointless then I'm sorry to tell you that your snarky responses are just as pointless if not baffling given you bothered to reply in the first place -- not to mention off topic in essence IMO. Can someone explain why we never see an equal number of "You didn't have to tell us" posts in threads from raving new macOS converts? You don't have to take it personally when someone doesn't like the same OS as you or has problems with it.
The OP post wasn't even asking for advice on fixing the issue, he's talking about the poor quality of software Apple are publishing these days and the methods they use to force you to upgrade OS version. I happen to agree with him on that. "You don't have to upgrade OS" is such a flippant statement because it's another way of saying "You don't have to get new security upgrades or the latest features of the device you paid for." After a while the option to not upgrade becomes very difficult when the software you paid for (in particular the stuff on the Mac App Store) is no longer compatible with your version of OS, this is especially the case with software subscriptions that drop support for older versions (just look at what 1Password is doing).
"wow you're a fool!"
"why did you upgrade OS version?"
"you should have just made a backup, idiot!"
8 pages of people being mad that someone decided to use a forum the way it was intended: to talk about their experiences and let others respond with their on topic experiences too. At least the OP had the foresight to place this thread in the "Alternatives to Mac" sub forum.
We don't need 100 replies letting him know you still like macOS, we know, there are threads to post your positive experiences and love for the OS but this is not one of them. If you think the OP post was pointless then I'm sorry to tell you that your snarky responses are just as pointless if not baffling given you bothered to reply in the first place -- not to mention off topic in essence IMO. Can someone explain why we never see an equal number of "You didn't have to tell us" posts in threads from raving new macOS converts? You don't have to take it personally when someone doesn't like the same OS as you or has problems with it.
The OP post wasn't even asking for advice on fixing the issue, he's talking about the poor quality of software Apple are publishing these days and the methods they use to force you to upgrade OS version. I happen to agree with him on that. "You don't have to upgrade OS" is such a flippant statement because it's another way of saying "You don't have to get new security upgrades or the latest features of the device you paid for." After a while the option to not upgrade becomes very difficult when the software you paid for (in particular the stuff on the Mac App Store) is no longer compatible with your version of OS, this is especially the case with software subscriptions that drop support for older versions (just look at what 1Password is doing).
Lol.
Microsoft has broken printing in windows with the monthly updates in one way or another, every month since April.
Enjoy!
These are fine and fair responses to a post in this forum. See below for why.
These other people are not mad at someone using the forum the way it was intended; in fact, those other people are also doing the same exact thing in using the forum in the way it was intended. However, their opposition to the OP is based on the attitude that the OP is bringing and lack of work that could have prevented the issue from ever occurring, and by extension, prevented his post and this thread from ever occurring.
I don't think anyone is proclaiming undying love or fealty to MacOS. In fact, there have been plenty of people here saying to use the OS that is best for what one needs. In this case, however, the important word is USE. From the OP's post, it was presented that the OP didn't USE the OS to its potential; in particular, the use of the tools to prevent any sort of disaster in which to recover from. That is also part of the USE of MacOS. But instead of looking into those tools to use, he chose to blame the OS for letting him down, when the onus to protect himself, his data, and the USE of his peripherals clearly fell upon him.
That isn't, once again, the fault of Apple; that is the fault of the user and the lack of USE of MacOS at hand. If that functionality was available since Leopard, that's 13 years worth of having the tools available to protect a user from any sort of disaster, let alone to recover back to the last best known working state. Why that wasn't used prior to any upgrade is only an answer that the OP can provide; to date, it hasn't been provided.
What methods would this be?
If your Mac is still under active support, you do not, and are not actively forced to upgrade your version of MacOS. Users of Big Sur are not forced to upgrade to Monterey, as Big Sur is still supported. Users of Catalina are not forced to upgrade, as that is still supported. And even with that, those Macs that are still hardware supported are still good with security updates for their OS being used, if that OS is still supported.
And as the OP just found out, "latest features" != stability. I found that out with my MBA and High Sierra, which is why I dropped back to Sierra after High Sierra came out. I've been rock solid on Sierra and supported throughout the entire SDLC of Sierra, up until my Mac was moved to Obsolete status. Hell, even some security updates that were released are still available for my Mac, so to say that it is a flippant remark is disingenuous.
That is different and irrelevant to the actual OS being upgraded the way that the OP upgraded. One should always... ALWAYS see if the hardware and software requirements are met and/or supported by the hardware/software in general. If not, you have the choice: stay with what works and is stable, or upgrade and take the chance that your hardware doesn't work. The OP rolled the dice with the latter option, and rolled up snake-eyes; not once, but twice when you add in that the research into if his hardware will work with the upgrade was not done.
Again, that is on the OP, not the OS, and blaming the OS and everything around him for his lack of research is just as disingenuous. That is what everyone is in arms about. Like I said before; if that research was done and questions asked on if that hardware would be supported, then everyone here would have a lot more sympathy and empathize with the OP's woes. That wasn't done, so it is hard to show sympathy for when the lack of work was not done or shown; hence, the responses given.
BL.
I think the amusing thing is that he's jumping to Windows on the basis of Software quality and forced upgrades.
If this had been a "I'm headed to Linux" post I could understand, but (and I say this as an enterprise Microsoft / network administrator) - A lot of Microsoft's software is far, far worse in terms of bugs, security and reliability. They also force you to upgrade if you want to maintain security update support.
Really he should be making the step to Linux if those things are a concern. Printing set up on linux these days is pretty easy. like, automatically finds network printers.
If this had been a "I'm headed to Linux" post I could understand, but (and I say this as an enterprise Microsoft / network administrator) - A lot of Microsoft's software is far, far worse in terms of bugs, security and reliability. They also force you to upgrade if you want to maintain security update support.
Really he should be making the step to Linux if those things are a concern. Printing set up on linux these days is pretty easy. like, automatically finds network printers.
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I seriously been considering moving back to Windows, some of the prices for useful & productive apps are really expensive, not inc the ones that what you to get a subscription to use them, which are free with Windows as they built into the OS.
One of my biggest bugbears is support for NTFS.
My TV only supports NTFS so if i want to transfer anything to the external drive that i have attached to my TV I need to pay for software, I've tried a few free one's & some upto £9 none of them work reliably luckily i got refunded on these, the ones that do cost either £15.99 or £18.99 for the privilege of having full access to a NTFS drive.
Now one could argue that it's cheaper to pay for NTFS support than buying a new laptop, but the way things are going who to say they decide to change to a subscription based setup making your past purchase to the software redundant, which seems to be the trend in which both Mac OS & iOS is going.
Another thing that really frustrating is how you have to sometimes jump through hoops just to get legitimate software to work, because you either not downloaded it from the Mac Store, or is not considered by Apple a recognised developer.
Samsung SSD software being a prime example of this.
Also using anything Android based on a Macbook can also be frustrating, I don't have an iPhone I have a Samsung S21 Ultra to get into the folders & subfolders on this phone I have to use DEX which unfortunately Samsung is stopping support for in Jan 2022, which means eventually I'm going to have to probably pay for software at some point.
Driver support is also an issue it seems some companies are slow to update their driver software, now these same companies also support Windows, like the original poster I to am having problems with my printer because as of yet they not updated their drivers for Monterey, but yet support for Windows 11 was done even before Windows 11 was out for my printer.
I think there is 2 main reasons for this firstly transition to ARM from X86 hasn't helped & secondly Windows has alot bigger user base than Mac OS so will obviously take priority.
I've used Windows going all the way back to Windows 95 when i got my first PC as a Teenager, I never used Mac OS up until this point, where i stupidly sold my Laptop to buy a M1 Macbook Pro because i got caught up in the hype.
I’ve never had any issues using Windows everything for me just worked & was supported properly without having to jump through hoops sometimes just to get it things to work, as i'm now finding on Mac OS.
One of my biggest bugbears is support for NTFS.
My TV only supports NTFS so if i want to transfer anything to the external drive that i have attached to my TV I need to pay for software, I've tried a few free one's & some upto £9 none of them work reliably luckily i got refunded on these, the ones that do cost either £15.99 or £18.99 for the privilege of having full access to a NTFS drive.
Now one could argue that it's cheaper to pay for NTFS support than buying a new laptop, but the way things are going who to say they decide to change to a subscription based setup making your past purchase to the software redundant, which seems to be the trend in which both Mac OS & iOS is going.
Another thing that really frustrating is how you have to sometimes jump through hoops just to get legitimate software to work, because you either not downloaded it from the Mac Store, or is not considered by Apple a recognised developer.
Samsung SSD software being a prime example of this.
Also using anything Android based on a Macbook can also be frustrating, I don't have an iPhone I have a Samsung S21 Ultra to get into the folders & subfolders on this phone I have to use DEX which unfortunately Samsung is stopping support for in Jan 2022, which means eventually I'm going to have to probably pay for software at some point.
Driver support is also an issue it seems some companies are slow to update their driver software, now these same companies also support Windows, like the original poster I to am having problems with my printer because as of yet they not updated their drivers for Monterey, but yet support for Windows 11 was done even before Windows 11 was out for my printer.
I think there is 2 main reasons for this firstly transition to ARM from X86 hasn't helped & secondly Windows has alot bigger user base than Mac OS so will obviously take priority.
I've used Windows going all the way back to Windows 95 when i got my first PC as a Teenager, I never used Mac OS up until this point, where i stupidly sold my Laptop to buy a M1 Macbook Pro because i got caught up in the hype.
I’ve never had any issues using Windows everything for me just worked & was supported properly without having to jump through hoops sometimes just to get it things to work, as i'm now finding on Mac OS.
They're not fine and fair responses when they're coated with a thick layer of condescension and insults. Many of the first responses to the OP fit that category.
Here's two posts from the first page:
Not helpful, not polite, not really conveying any thoughts about the subject matter of macOS woes. That's what I'm complaining about for the most part. We see it in almost every thread where a poster chooses to post a decidedly negative experience. There's nothing more derailing than someone basically posting the equivalent of "i don't relate to your problem and/or i wouldn't have run into your problem personally so i'm just going to make a quip about how useless this thread is and make the OP feel bad for posting." When I encounter those threads 9 times out of 10 I simply don't respond. e.g, I don't relate too much to the OP post so I wasn't planning on posting anything until I saw the first few responses.
Personally I want to see more threads with people posting their negative opinions and experiences because I consider that to be a balanced, engaging forum. I hate the idea of MR being an "Apple fan" site because that implies posting negative experiences is considered taboo or incendiary when it really shouldn't be.
yeah you've hit the nail on the head with that last sentence sadly
This thread has generated a fair amount of decent dialog and since I'm active in the thread I ought not be the one making the decision.
There are a lot of electron apps out there. Skype was taken over by Microsoft which turned it into an electron app. This happens on each update causing a fire hazard. It's no secret Microsoft can't code. MS however isn't the only electron app manufacturer out there. Only thing you can do is launch activity monitor when it occurs. There is no way to solve this but replace that app with a decently coded one.
Since ages Apple has agreements with particular manufacturers for some model. In the past Apple had its own printer line. In the nineties these printers came at a higher price tag than Microsoft compatible devices but were part of Apple's ecosystem. The switch for a Microsoft user can be dazzling in this regard. Working peripherals are no longer recognized. You must understand you're thinking as a IBM open architecture customer now. Every device or component must be compatible. After the Apple II that was not the way Apple did business. I agree this is a nuisance. What brand is your printer?
To be clear in time you'll notice that macOS tends to keep working while MS Windows well...
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This. I support my wife's Lenovo X1 Carbon, and every time there's a software update, it "breaks" her ability to print.
Admittedly, I rarely print, but I needed too just the other day and it worked flawlessly. My company has not had any problems reported with printing either.
I know that MS struggled to actually get a fix in for that printer spool vulnerability, trying (and failing) multiple times, so far those attempts have not impacted my ability to print.
It's even worse in an enterprise environment, where you restrict use of administration level privileges.
re: @maflynn it does seem to be luck of the draw as to whether or not your specific printer/driver is impacted. we've been impacted 2-3 times in 2-3 months
I might also add that the vulnerability they're trying to fix was reported to them in October 2020 and they've dragged their feet for about a year faffing around trying to fix it.
Sorry for not going through all the comments, but...
Could Apple have allowed the old drivers (of printers and other peripherals) to work on the new OS?
Could Apple have allowed the old drivers (of printers and other peripherals) to work on the new OS?
For what ever reason, I've had really good luck with windows regarding my printers and scanners - a lot better then I've had with macOS. I have an old Epson scanner, and I don't think I have much of anything in support for macos but it works well in windows. I have an old mp490 canon printer that I still works. I was tempted to replace it, since its quite old but since I rarely print, why bother ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe people should be happy their printers don't work after system upgrades,
at least they avoid that auto "test page print" that uses 25% of their toner cartridges!
i dont remember printing anything this year, or last as well.
at least they avoid that auto "test page print" that uses 25% of their toner cartridges!
i dont remember printing anything this year, or last as well.