I wasn't intending to belittle you, it's just that Apple's reputation for "not being a guinea pig" doesn't actually bear itself out in real life.
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hear hear!!
I'm with you there. The fact that root access is a thing on mobile is the worst for me.
On a desktop/laptop it is just another permission. On mobile it is the devil and to be feared!
Sure, make it break android pay (idealy they should have the payment system isolated so it does not suffer ramifications from a compromised OS like apple does)
I like simplicity, but let people get under the hood if they want. Google is still pretty good at letting people do that on their own devices, but others... google needs more settings though, most people dont want root, they want easy settings and google flakes out here
Pretty soon the only people that know anything about computers are going to be the ones making/programming them
Makes me feel old when I see kids on the computer all day and some (not all) really know nothing about it. Back in my day people on the computer all the time knew some ****!
also very confused by the messaging systems and what google intends for them
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The fact that Google is now doing their VR thing makes me think apple will either announce something small or something bigger than expected hopefully. Although i have this strange feeling that Apple has been creeping in the background and will surprise folks but i could be wrong.
A look at Android Wear 2.0:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/18/11699054/google-android-wear-2-0-hands-on-i-o
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/18/11699054/google-android-wear-2-0-hands-on-i-o
I am not sure how it is anything like iMessage given that it doesn't integrate with SMS, doesn't have a desktop app, etc, etc. It is just another "third party" messaging app.
Maybe one day this will be a part of their RCS platform called Jibe. Then it could be standard for SMS at the OS level. But chances are this is just another confusing implementation of messaging from Google.
With such a crowded field of messaging apps, I just don't get it right now.
Their explanation?
The swype keyboard looks stupid on the watch, but what if it works?
The lack of inputs is a major shortcoming on current smartwatches.
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If Allo doesn't integrate with SMS, it's already a failure, IMHO. I don't want more than one messaging app, and with FB messenger, I already have two.
I'm on Fi, if Allo doesn't do SMS (including syncing to the Gmail web interface and other devices signed in to my account) it's a non-starter for me.
I saw some interesting things today, what I could watch. I'd consider a Home, if it's priced within reason.
I saw some interesting things today, what I could watch. I'd consider a Home, if it's priced within reason.
Yes! I am on Fi as well. I do expect this to at least be default on the Nexus with SMS integration like Hangouts. Good point.
My favorite Android versions I've used -
1. KitKat (4.4.2 & 4.4.4)
I am actually still on them. 4.4.2 probably gives me slight better battery life esp on standby but 4.4.4 could be slightly more stable and smoother. KK's only screw up was preventing apps to move to sd card. Boo!
2. Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0.4)
Android shed its ugly duckling label. From Gingerbread to ICS, was a major overhaul. Everything looked so much better. Like KitKat, I too love to snack on ice cream sandwich.
3. Lollipop (5.1)
I haven't experienced the early build of 5.0 which was a wreck to many but 5.1 isn't that bad. I still don't like how notifications are handled and the white background in the drawer, but I don't hate Lollipop as much as most people. I can live with lesser animations but Material Design does make iOS look so 2013-ish.
4. Jelly Bean (4.1.4)
I liked it because of Project Butter but going from ICS to JN didn't really make me notice it. Between Project Butter, Svelte, and Volta, only KitKat's Svelte actually delivered. JB also had a memory leak and was heavier on RAM than ICS and KK. It also rid of wake up screen using volume button. Battery life was also still poor during this era. I never got to 4.3 which offered Trim.
5. Gingerbread (2.3.6)
It looked like a poor man's version of iOS back in 2010 and most of 2011 before ICS changed the game for Android.
If I have Marshmallow, it probably ranks between #1-#3, not worse than 5.1 thanks to Doze and adoptable storage. Since Android can occasionally be the most unstable and volatile mobile OS out there, I believe my favorite versions will always depend more on its stability (not looks, size of leap or features), which is why KitKat tops for me. I think Android N will top KK eventually for being stable and refined along with having multi-window and improved Doze. So HTC's Nexus smartphones better kick butt in the hardware department this year!
Ice Cream Sandwich (Holo) - Lollipop (Material)
Jelly Bean - Marshmallow
KitKat - Android N (I vote for NERDS!)
Like the "s" models with iPhones, wait a season or two on Android to be refined and stabilized.
1. KitKat (4.4.2 & 4.4.4)
I am actually still on them. 4.4.2 probably gives me slight better battery life esp on standby but 4.4.4 could be slightly more stable and smoother. KK's only screw up was preventing apps to move to sd card. Boo!
2. Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0.4)
Android shed its ugly duckling label. From Gingerbread to ICS, was a major overhaul. Everything looked so much better. Like KitKat, I too love to snack on ice cream sandwich.
3. Lollipop (5.1)
I haven't experienced the early build of 5.0 which was a wreck to many but 5.1 isn't that bad. I still don't like how notifications are handled and the white background in the drawer, but I don't hate Lollipop as much as most people. I can live with lesser animations but Material Design does make iOS look so 2013-ish.
4. Jelly Bean (4.1.4)
I liked it because of Project Butter but going from ICS to JN didn't really make me notice it. Between Project Butter, Svelte, and Volta, only KitKat's Svelte actually delivered. JB also had a memory leak and was heavier on RAM than ICS and KK. It also rid of wake up screen using volume button. Battery life was also still poor during this era. I never got to 4.3 which offered Trim.
5. Gingerbread (2.3.6)
It looked like a poor man's version of iOS back in 2010 and most of 2011 before ICS changed the game for Android.
If I have Marshmallow, it probably ranks between #1-#3, not worse than 5.1 thanks to Doze and adoptable storage. Since Android can occasionally be the most unstable and volatile mobile OS out there, I believe my favorite versions will always depend more on its stability (not looks, size of leap or features), which is why KitKat tops for me. I think Android N will top KK eventually for being stable and refined along with having multi-window and improved Doze. So HTC's Nexus smartphones better kick butt in the hardware department this year!
Ice Cream Sandwich (Holo) - Lollipop (Material)
Jelly Bean - Marshmallow
KitKat - Android N (I vote for NERDS!)
Like the "s" models with iPhones, wait a season or two on Android to be refined and stabilized.
My biggest issue with returning to Android is the lack of continuity. I want something like iMessage on my Android phone and Chromebook or tablet. If I could get that, I'd probably go back to Android. To me, this is really where iOS has a HUGE leg up on Android.
Agree about Allo. If no integration with SMS, then there's really no point for me to switch from Hangouts. The Allo features aren't necessary enough to deal with the inconvenience of two messaging apps. In fact, I lose a feature I really love: desktop integration.
I don't even have Messenger installed.
I don't even have Messenger installed.
I don't understand why they didn't just introduce those features into Hangouts. Why do they need so many messaging apps? I like the features, but they could have just updated their current lineup.
Allo will work with or without SMS integration, being that it uses your phone number. It will be very easy to get people to use Allo since it will already be a system app. If SMS is integrated, then that's the iMessage alternative everyone has been waiting for.
Hangouts is a cluster****!!! Too much in one app, and many services are only half way integrated. It's best to keep Allo and Duo separate, and integrated system wide. Which worked quite well for Apple. And support for each would be better.
Hangouts is a cluster****!!! Too much in one app, and many services are only half way integrated. It's best to keep Allo and Duo separate, and integrated system wide. Which worked quite well for Apple. And support for each would be better.
Uses your phone number does not mean integrated with SMS. Let's hope it is on Android (I now it won't be on iOS). But I really think Google would have mentioned that.
What I meant by the bold is it will be widely used with or without SMS integration.
Google seemed to be trying too hard to 'get down wid da kidz' and produce a 'cool' app rather than just delivering us the improved messaging / hangouts app we actually want.
First - they need to consolidate their messaging into a dialer, text, picture, video and audio calling app. One app. I liked everything they showed - but I don't think it needs to be in different apps.
Second - Seriously considering getting the Google Home. My family loves Alexa - but the power of Google search (and assistant) make it the product to have. I give credit to Amazon - they put out a great product and they have been developing it a LOT.
Third - VR - interesting that they're creating a standard. But isn't this more for 3rd party/Google Cardboard? If Samsung, LG, etc make their own headsets - that are custom fitted/designed for their phones, I imagine having "certification" is helpful to expand usage - but not for selling their own VR headsets. More importantly - I hope that Google Cardboard apps will be able to run in (for example) Samsung Gear VR without a workaround.
Second - Seriously considering getting the Google Home. My family loves Alexa - but the power of Google search (and assistant) make it the product to have. I give credit to Amazon - they put out a great product and they have been developing it a LOT.
Third - VR - interesting that they're creating a standard. But isn't this more for 3rd party/Google Cardboard? If Samsung, LG, etc make their own headsets - that are custom fitted/designed for their phones, I imagine having "certification" is helpful to expand usage - but not for selling their own VR headsets. More importantly - I hope that Google Cardboard apps will be able to run in (for example) Samsung Gear VR without a workaround.
But really you could say the same thing about anything:
My dad didn't let me drive until I could turn wrenches..I didn't get my first apartment before I could show that I could do home maintenance, I couldn't mow lawns for money until I could work on the engine and sharpen the blade...and on, and on.
My 10 year old just made a intro and outro in blender for her youtube channel <--I can't do that
My 10 year old just showed me the mixer, and mic setup I got her for youtube already working and already recorded and exported for ardour <-- I couldn't do that
My 10 year old Right now is working on laying her new audio track over her into in Open Shot <-- That I can do
Did I mention she's 10
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No she can't replace the processor, RAM, HD, or graphics card yet but I don't know if HW tinkering is really that important.
I didn't mean to come off like that! Software knowledge is very important, not just hardware. As long as something is being learned if you are going to spend that much time on computers. Kids of a Linux guy are definitely going to know things about computers
I am against the appliancification of computers though.
I look at it kind of like cars. In the old days my dad could fix just about any issue with his car. Nowadays you need a proprietary device to even properly diagnose many issues. Along with the fear of messing up the internal CPU, he just doesn't bother. It is done on purpose, similar to say the design of the iMac
I wish I could repair anything on my car (even if I knew how there are way more limitations), like I can do with my PC. Fixing your own stuff is awesome. Going to the shop and paying more is easy, but makes me feel bad inside
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