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sentinelsx

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Isn't there a non root app called carbon or something that allows full backup? Don't know. Phones just don't die on me anymore. I don't worry about losing all my settings etc so I'm not that read up about back up apps. But I think carbon is one I keep hearing about.

Would definitely be great if Google came up with one of their own.

Carbon doesn't really work exactly like say, iTunes backup of app data etc. It is buggy a lot of times too.

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Chrome has a reload button in the address bar.

Ah. Must have missed it then :p I always tend to tap the three dot button to go to reload lol.

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Excellent Post!

Your points are spot on. That's what makes Android so exciting at this juncture. It's quite good, yet as you have pointed out, there's still work to do.

Its so refreshing to have a discussion with you & onthecouchagain, two people who have an excellent understanding of Android & bring up relevant points.

It is my understanding after scouring pages over pages of XDA forums and using better battery stats on multiple devices and using apps that use GCM (by the way this is Google Cloud Messaging - a solution for push notifications from google) and ones that not, i feel confident in declaring that a big chunk of battery woes comes from those always running processes which keep turning on the cellular radios active every now and then. Using push notifications for a lot of that coupled with some creativity would solve battery issues big time.
 

Assault

macrumors 6502a
Mar 19, 2013
513
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in the taint
Babel will be called Hangout. Messenger, Talk, Voice, etc will all be integrated.

4.3 Jelly Bean vice 5.0 KLP. Holo theme mandated for new apps.

Google Music to integrate a radio service and cloud backups.

A significantly updated and upgraded Maps app.

Game Center and cloud saves for games

New Nex7 (maybe called Nexus 8 as it might be closer in size to iPad mini?)

The cloud will be pushed hard, since all Google Drive users are automatically being upgraded to 15gb from 5gb.
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
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Babel will be called Hangout. Messenger, Talk, Voice, etc will all be integrated.

4.3 Jelly Bean vice 5.0 KLP. Holo theme mandated for new apps.

Google Music to integrate a radio service and cloud backups.

A significantly updated and upgraded Maps app.

Game Center and cloud saves for games

New Nex7 (maybe called Nexus 8 as it might be closer in size to iPad mini?)

The cloud will be pushed hard, since all Google Drive users are automatically being upgraded to 15gb from 5gb.

I like this list. Especially the fact that almost all of this is not too much to ask from judging from the current state of affairs.
 

Shadow Puppy

macrumors member
May 10, 2013
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Oh I see. Interesting. What's the difference between chrome and chrome beta at this point? I'm just using beta.

As for Google voice it crashes on me sometimes. Also it doesn't load when you have no service (not necessarily a bug). Wish it would let us open it at least even without service. It's also just slow sometimes. Again, I love the app but it could use some tidying up.

One difference between the beta version and the main version is, the beta has fullscreen mode, whereas the main version does not (yet). Another difference is, the beta version has a setting called "reduce data usage", whereas the main version does not. Those are two differences I know of off the top of my head. To be honest, I don't know all the differences between the beta version and the main version of Chrome as the version I use isn't either of these.
 

skratch77

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2013
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Google cancels x phone to team with Samsung to release a nexus (cough)gs4!

If this rumor is true and we get a exynos 5 a15 soc with pure bread android built by the Deva at android made specifically for the gs4 guts its game over for every other android phone out there.

Google has the best devs on there side and we spend months tweaking asop code to run right taken from the nexus devices and ported over to work on other phones.if this rumor is true and we get pure android made from Google for the gs4 hardware it will fly and blow the doors off any ROM out there that is a butchered and ported ROM taken from a nexus device.there will be no issues with anything like all the builds we go threw running ported ROMs.

I hope this is legit!
 

Kashsystems

macrumors 6502
Jul 23, 2012
358
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I would be more annoyed about a Google S4 version because by the time it comes out I will be stuck with the Bloated ATT version.
 

skratch77

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2013
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I would be more annoyed about a Google S4 version because by the time it comes out I will be stuck with the Bloated ATT version.

Once the phone is out you can flash the kernel,boot and nand over to your phone assuming you have full unlocked boot loader.

It will be like flashing custom ROMs but taken right off the Google server for your phone instead of a nexus.
 

Shadow Puppy

macrumors member
May 10, 2013
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New OS features I want:
Integrated video chat
That is already present, though it will be changed.

Make Chrome as fluid as Safari on iOS
I don't think you can compare the two, as one is a much more capable and complete browser than the other.

Make Google Maps work as fluid as on iOS. No more splitting up directions and navigation. Who ever thought of that was an idiot.
I don't think fluid is the word you're looking for. Perhaps seamless is more so the word. That said, in its current form, Google Maps is better on the Android platform, but don't worry, you'll be getting your wish.

Google Now improvements. It is really just voice search. There are so many things Siri can do that Google Now can't.
This is entirely untrue. Voice search is only a small portion of what Google Now brings to the table. Siri isn't even in the same ballpark when talking about level of functionality. That said, more functionality is coming, as it is constantly being updated (unlike Siri).



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Babel will be called Hangout. Messenger, Talk, Voice, etc will all be integrated.

4.3 Jelly Bean vice 5.0 KLP. Holo theme mandated for new apps.

Google Music to integrate a radio service and cloud backups.

A significantly updated and upgraded Maps app.

Game Center and cloud saves for games

New Nex7 (maybe called Nexus 8 as it might be closer in size to iPad mini?)

The cloud will be pushed hard, since all Google Drive users are automatically being upgraded to 15gb from 5gb.
Is this what you hope will happen or is this what you are saying will happen?
 

rMBA13

macrumors newbie
May 13, 2013
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0% chance of this happening... Samsung won't let Galaxy smartphones run without their bloated software
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
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Texas
That is already present, though it will be changed.
No its not. This has been discussed in detail in previous threads. Google requires the use of another service and video chat is not integrated into traditional phone dialing.


I don't think you can compare the two, as one is a much more capable and complete browser than the other.
They are both mobile browsers. You can easily compare the two. Chrome on iOS is also much smoother than Chrome on my Nexus 4.


I don't think fluid is the word you're looking for. Perhaps seamless is more so the word. That said, in its current form, Google Maps is better on the Android platform, but don't worry, you'll be getting your wish.
"Google Maps is better on the Android platform"
You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is not true. I have a Nexus 4 and an iPhone 4S. Google Maps is noticeable smoother on my iPhone. As is G+, Chrome, and just about every Google app that I use on both devices.

But thank you for coming up with another word to describe the downfalls of Google Maps on Android, and that is that it is not seamless. And for that, I thank you.


This is entirely untrue. Voice search is only a small portion of what Google Now brings to the table. Siri isn't even in the same ballpark when talking about level of functionality. That said, more functionality is coming, as it is constantly being updated (unlike Siri).
If only people would do their research.
Plus Siri added new features with iOS 6, and it will be the same for iOS 7.

As far as functionality, Google Now is quicker at turning my voice into text. However, often times it does not understand when I say "call ______ mobile". What is weird is that half the times it works, the other half it doesn't. And I have a typical American accent. Siri works better for this.

Also, I love being able to have my phone remind me of something based on my location. Plus Google Now consistently has a problem with setting tasks/reminders/whateveryouwanttocallthem when I need them to be set the next day.

Google Now has its advantages. But it is far from a personal assistant. Plus, if you want it to tell you relevant information, like plane tickets, flight info, etc., all of your info must go through your GMail. This needs to be expanded to any email account. And don't even bring up mail forwarding. Because once you bring that up, you completely eliminate any argument you have for integration.
 

appledes7

macrumors 6502a
Jul 12, 2011
756
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That is already present
Wrong.


I don't think you can compare the two
Wrong.

That said, in its current form, Google Maps is better on the Android platform
Oh so very wrong.

This is entirely untrue. Voice search is only a small portion of what Google Now brings to the table. Siri isn't even in the same ballpark when talking about level of functionality. That said, more functionality is coming, as it is constantly being updated (unlike Siri).
Surprise surprise. Wrong again.

Edit:
No its not. This has been discussed in detail in previous threads. Google requires the use of another service and video chat is not integrated into traditional phone dialing.



They are both mobile browsers. You can easily compare the two. Chrome on iOS is also much smoother than Chrome on my Nexus 4.



"Google Maps is better on the Android platform"
You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is not true. I have a Nexus 4 and an iPhone 4S. Google Maps is noticeable smoother on my iPhone. As is G+, Chrome, and just about every Google app that I use on both devices.

But thank you for coming up with another word to describe the downfalls of Google Maps on Android, and that is that it is not seamless. And for that, I thank you.



If only people would do their research.
Plus Siri added new features with iOS 6, and it will be the same for iOS 7.

As far as functionality, Google Now is quicker at turning my voice into text. However, often times it does not understand when I say "call ______ mobile". What is weird is that half the times it works, the other half it doesn't. And I have a typical American accent. Siri works better for this.

Also, I love being able to have my phone remind me of something based on my location. Plus Google Now consistently has a problem with setting tasks/reminders/whateveryouwanttocallthem when I need them to be set the next day.

Google Now has its advantages. But it is far from a personal assistant. Plus, if you want it to tell you relevant information, like plane tickets, flight info, etc., all of your info must go through your GMail. This needs to be expanded to any email account. And don't even bring up mail forwarding. Because once you bring that up, you completely eliminate any argument you have for integration.

This. :)
 

ucfgrad93

macrumors Core
Aug 17, 2007
19,579
10,875
Colorado
Skeptical.... [very]


It would be the death of / and make redundant any logical purpose of a nexus phone device.

Agreed. I don't see Google shooting themselves in the foot like this.

I'd be more interested to hear if google are starting to address things like software update rollouts, loosening dependence on carriers for manufacturers pushing out OS updates.

Agreed. This has been a sore spot for Android since the beginning.
 

Shadow Puppy

macrumors member
May 10, 2013
81
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No its not. This has been discussed in detail in previous threads. Google requires the use of another service and video chat is not integrated into traditional phone dialing.
Just because it isn't in the dialer doesn't mean it isn't integrated. Video calling is actually integrated in more places on the Android platform than iOS (email, text messages, contacts, and anywhere a contact card shows up).


They are both mobile browsers. You can easily compare the two. Chrome on iOS is also much smoother than Chrome on my Nexus 4.
Safari vs Chrome (on Android) is not an Apples to Apples comparison. It's like touting the gas mileage of a '92 Honda when comparing it to a '13 Maserati. They aren't the same, and differ in the way they operate quite a bit. Also, Chrome on iOS is not the same as Chrome on Android.


"Google Maps is better on the Android platform"
You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is not true.
What an asinine statement. You state it's my opinion, then go on to say it isn't true. You obviously are having trouble grasping what an opinion is.

I have a Nexus 4 and an iPhone 4S. Google Maps is noticeable smoother on my iPhone. As is G+, Chrome, and just about every Google app that I use on both devices.
:rolleyes:

But thank you for coming up with another word to describe the downfalls of Google Maps on Android, and that is that it is not seamless. And for that, I thank you.
Don't get too comfortable with that...like I said, change is around the corner. ;)


If only people would do their research.
Plus Siri added new features with iOS 6, and it will be the same for iOS 7.
If only people would do their READING and comprehend what they read. I did not say Siri has never been updated. I said Google Now constantly gets updated, as opposed to Siri. In other words, Siri is not updated frequently. In the future, let's try reading with understanding.

As far as functionality, Google Now is quicker at turning my voice into text. However, often times it does not understand when I say "call ______ mobile". What is weird is that half the times it works, the other half it doesn't. And I have a typical American accent. Siri works better for this.
Speak clearer? lol. Just kidding, but mine has no problem understanding me at all.

Also, I love being able to have my phone remind me of something based on my location.
Like I said, more functionality is coming. :p

Plus Google Now consistently has a problem with setting tasks/reminders/whateveryouwanttocallthem when I need them to be set the next day.
I agree that reminders needed an update..but like I said, more functionality is coming :D

Google Now has its advantages. But it is far from a personal assistant.
Who ever called it a personal assistant? Which while we're on the subject, Siri is even further away from it. That said, Google Now isn't a personal assistant, it's a system that provides you with information based on what it anticipates you will need. It isn't something that simply gives you responses to what you ask for. It provides you with information before you even have to think about it. For example, before I started getting ready to go to a charity function, Google Now notified me that I needed to leave early because there was traffic on the route. Bear in mind, I never added the charity function to my calendar at all. It was sent to my calendar, and I never did anything with it. Google Now took the next steps on its own.

Plus, if you want it to tell you relevant information, like plane tickets, flight info, etc., all of your info must go through your GMail. This needs to be expanded to any email account. And don't even bring up mail forwarding. Because once you bring that up, you completely eliminate any argument you have for integration.
ACTUALLY what you stated isn't entirely true. For certain things, yes it has to come through your Gmail (like package tracking). However, things like flight info do not have to come through your Gmail. Merely searching for a certain flight will make Google Now keep you abreast of it. Events nearby, birthdays, movies, news updates, next appointments, places, public alerts, public transit, research topics, sports, stocks, traffic, travel tools, weather, and website updates all work without something having to come through your gmail.

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Agreed. This has been a sore spot for Android since the beginning.

I wouldn't say it's a sore spot for Android, as Android is being updated, and Google devices are updated just fine. This is more a OEM issue, as they have to have time to make their changes to the OS. It's not what I'd call a sore spot, it's just the way Android operates, with every manufacturer being able to make whatever changes to the OS they desire, different from what you might be used to with other OS'. The way updates happen with other OEM's isn't the same update path as on other OS' because they can't make changes. The only real way for that to change is to make it where OEM's can't make changes, and that would kill one of the great things about Android.

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Check your facts.

Wrong.


Oh so very wrong.
This I won't dignify with a response.

Surprise surprise. Wrong again.
So much substance in your responses... it's obvious you're a man that knows what he's talking about... :rolleyes:
 

bmac4

Suspended
Feb 14, 2013
4,885
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Atlanta Ga
Well I hope we see:

- Google babel or handout or whatever they are going to call it.

- battery improvement if possible.

- a new feature or two would be nice

- a refresh of the nexus 4 for the people that want LTE and 32gb of storage

All and all I think android is in a good place. I think jellybean is really good, but of course it is not perfect. Like many have said before there is still room for growth, but I think they have a general idea of where android is going since jellybean was introduce last year at this time. If they had hangout to SMS or something like a unified messaging app I think that would be huge. One of the few things I do miss since I stop using my iPhone was imessage. The only reason is because some of the people I text work in a place where there is no service, but with imessage they can still get a message just using WiFi. We shall see we are only a few hours away.
 

skratch77

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2013
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0% chance of this happening... Samsung won't let Galaxy smartphones run without their bloated software

That's funny as my brothers phone is a Samsung galaxy nexus and its running pure android as its a nexus phone lol

I asked him a few weeks ago if he wanted the gs4 and he looked at me like I asked him to switch to apple and get the iPhone he said nexus or nothing and looks at all other androids as if they were iOS

This will be perfect for him if true as the nexus phones never had the best hardware but the best software and now people can have the best of both
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
That's funny as my brothers phone is a Samsung galaxy nexus and its running pure android as its a nexus phone lol

I asked him a few weeks ago if he wanted the gs4 and he looked at me like I asked him to switch to apple and get the iPhone he said nexus or nothing and looks at all other androids as if they were iOS

This will be perfect for him if true as the nexus phones never had the best hardware but the best software and now people can have the best of both

When was that Nexus released? 2011?

I think Samsung's gotten too big for their britches and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they thought they could push Google around. I too doubt they'd let any of their Galaxy phones out the door without TouchWiz at this point.....

Especially with Tizen possibly being around the corner. Gotta think its based alot on Touchwiz.
 

Shadow Puppy

macrumors member
May 10, 2013
81
0
All and all I think android is in a good place. I think jellybean is really good, but of course it is not perfect. Like many have said before there is still room for growth, but I think they have a general idea of where android is going since jellybean was introduce last year at this time. If they had hangout to SMS or something like a unified messaging app I think that would be huge. One of the few things I do miss since I stop using my iPhone was imessage. The only reason is because some of the people I text work in a place where there is no service, but with imessage they can still get a message just using WiFi. We shall see we are only a few hours away.
Unfortunately, if that is what you are hoping for, you will certainly be disappointed. That's the problem with leaks, they build up an anticipation and expectation, and if it is not met, leads to people being underwhelmed and disappointed.
 

skratch77

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2013
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When was that Nexus released? 2011?

I think Samsung's gotten too big for their britches and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they thought they could push Google around. I too doubt they'd let any of their Galaxy phones out the door without TouchWiz at this point.....

Especially with Tizen possibly being around the corner. Gotta think its based alot on Touchwiz.

The galaxy nexus came out late 2011 for Verizon and early 2012 for the rest of the carriers and it came out after the galaxy s2 that was the best selling android device until the gs3 came out.
 
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