got your C2D MBP? please tell us....

[grappler]

I would think perhaps this is referring to color temperature, not colors themselves.

Well, color temperatures are more in the range of 5000K - 9300K. But in any case, that point was corrected by the poster.

 

[Daverinfl]

Ok guys....

This thread has grown way to much to keep track of...

I need to know what questions have not been answered.

So far I need to run:

-3D Mark 05
-3D Mark 06 (which several downloads have failed today...so may not see it)
-ATI Tool beta

Don't forget, you're supposed to play WoW, visit a city and get in a 40 man raid and post fps. We also expect you to link your loot from said 40 man.

Oh, and you're supposed to see how hot you can make the new machine, and thus determine if it can reach a temperature at which it would be possible to bake a chicken....a chicken with special powers that make the opposite sex think you have money.

If you have time, determine what the HD is on the 160GB computer that you don't have.

Oh...and get benchmarks (or benchmarx, if u no wat i meen).

Did I cover this thread pretty accurately?

Those of us still waiting for our new toys have a lot of free time.

Heck, I may even watch the Grey's Anatomy re-runs.

Edit: Added quote.

 

[grappler]

That is EXACTLY what I am saying. It is nowhere near as pretty in an exterior sense, but for quality, I love it. Only issue is it is 1920x1080, vs the super dooper res in the 30 in unit, but compare the prices and it is killer. If you need the resolution, then by all means spend the extra cash.

I am using my 42" unit (1599 when I got it) right now in fact, hooked up to my mac mini. xbox 360 also looks fantastic on it, as does my fios hd dvr.

If ultimate image contrast quality is your goal, then I would look into the new dlp sets or go hog wild with a CRT projector (electohome 8111 in my basement, color balanced and fully setup to do 1080p, though at a semi slow refresh rate).

Edit: I have to take one thing back though, it looks like the panel used in the 30 also does support 16.7 mil colors without dithering. They must be using a different panel than I was originally told based on the specs I found. So colorwise, it should be fairly similar and definitely better than the laptops.

I think the Dell 30" display still stacks up better here as a computer monitor. It has the resolution and the colors, and 30" is pretty damn big when you're sitting directly in front of it.

The only advantage I can see to your suggested tv is that it has the native resolution of 1080p, which is great for movies. But I imagine the dot pitch is quite a bit larger, which makes it not so great for a computer.

 

[tarjan]

The dot size might be slightly larger, but 1920x1080 is still very high resolution, and I doubt you would really notice it. If you are sitting close to the monitor, then the 30" would be good. One thing that is true though is that the westie has better refresh rates and possibly better contrast, 8ms I believe 12. Some sites are measuring the mac monitor at 400-450:1 vs 700-800:1 in the westie.

Ideal dolor temp, based on ntsc and hdtv, is technically 6500k. That produces a "white" which is close to true white to our eyes. Basically the same color as snow on a bright day. The westies balance out fairly close to this ideal.

(if you dont know, 6500k is the color a metal (Iron I believe) glows at when heated to 6500 deg k. The hotter it gets, the more blue the color is, the cooler the more red.)


I would be happy with either the dell or the westie as a monitor, but as a dual duty I want the bigger size. Thats why I got the 42", plus it was only 100 more than the 37" at the time. I recommend both as they are both visually beautiful.

 

[thenewguy]

Also, regarding the Westy vs. Dell debate - if you ever plan on playing video games - the video cards required to power the resolution of the 30" will cost you almost as much as the monitor. And they have to be updated every season as the more demanding games come out. Obviously not possible with a laptop, and not at all economically feasible (unless you have the cash to burn of course) on a desktop.

I would also add, though this is fairly erroneous, that the question of whether or not the Westy "looks good" is not worth talking about - head over to the display section of [H]ardforum - they LOVE the westy. It is a good monitor, no questions asked.

The only question is whether you prefer uber resolution on a smaller screen or a smaller res on a larger screen.

 

[grappler]

The dot size might be slightly larger, but 1920x1080 is still very high resolution, and I doubt you would really notice it. If you are sitting close to the monitor, then the 30" would be good. One thing that is true though is that the westie has better refresh rates and possibly better contrast, 8ms I believe 12. Some sites are measuring the mac monitor at 400-450:1 vs 700-800:1 in the westie.

Ideal dolor temp, based on ntsc and hdtv, is technically 6500k. That produces a "white" which is close to true white to our eyes. Basically the same color as snow on a bright day. The westies balance out fairly close to this ideal.

(if you dont know, 6500k is the color a metal (Iron I believe) glows at when heated to 6500 deg k. The hotter it gets, the more blue the color is, the cooler the more red.)


I would be happy with either the dell or the westie as a monitor, but as a dual duty I want the bigger size. Thats why I got the 42", plus it was only 100 more than the 37" at the time. I recommend both as they are both visually beautiful.

Ok, thanks. I'll have to take a look. I'll believe it when I see how it displays small fonts and photos.

I assume that the color temperatures refer to blackbody spectra (a blackbody is an idealized emitter of radiation which absorbs nothing and has no characteristic spectral lines that an actual chemical element would emit due to quantum effects).

 

[darkwing]

yep, that and the American way was invented just for typsetting in the old print presses so that the little full stop would hold in the quotation mark. other than that, this point while funny is not even a grammatical issue

I never knew that. Can you explain the problem they had in more detail?

 

[grappler]

Also, regarding the Westy vs. Dell debate - if you ever plan on playing video games - the video cards required to power the resolution of the 30" will cost you almost as much as the monitor. And they have to be updated every season as the more demanding games come out. Obviously not possible with a laptop, and not at all economically feasible (unless you have the cash to burn of course) on a desktop.

I would also add, though this is fairly erroneous, that the question of whether or not the Westy "looks good" is not worth talking about - head over to the display section of [H]ardforum - they LOVE the westy. It is a good monitor, no questions asked.

The only question is whether you prefer uber resolution on a smaller screen or a smaller res on a larger screen.

I would put myself in the first camp. I don't really ever play games, as I just don't have the time, so I don't care about that. I do a lot of programming, web browsing, and various interesting projects, and I like the occasional movie.

To me, a huge workspace is the ultimate upgrade simply because it means you can spread out all the stuff you have open and see a bunch of it at once.

 

[grappler]

I would put myself in the first camp. I don't really ever play games, as I just don't have the time, so I don't care about that. I do a lot of programming, web browsing, and various interesting projects, and I like the occasional movie.

To me, a huge workspace is the ultimate upgrade simply because it means you can spread out all the stuff you have open and see a bunch of it at once.

besides... if I were really a gamer, I'd probably use windows, not mac. And if I want good game performance, I can just run the game in a smaller window that doesn't use the whole display, or a full screen at reduced resolution, right?

 

[bcavanau]

Started to post some new info, please check out everything at:

http://lartren.com/mac/

I will continue to post updates, and go back and include all the stuff I already posted, etc...

 

[Multimedia]

Buy The Dell. It's BETTER.

This almost looks like a great time to buy a new setup. A system I'd love to get now would be a macbook pro and a 30" cinema display for use at home. I understand there are some advantages to getting them at the same time, as far as that applecare protection, so I would want to treat it as one purchase if I were going to buy both.

There's just one holdup. Dell's 30" display, the 3007WFP, can be had for just $1279, compared with $1999 for the Apple. That's a $720 difference in price. What gives Apple?

The Dell is essentially the same display. The size is the same, the dot pitch and resolution are the same, the brightness is the same, the contrast is the same, the viewing angle is the same.

Unfortunately, I have some brand loyalty. I'd like it to say Apple, and I'd like the nice aluminum case Apple's display has. I would pay extra for that.

But not $720 extra. That is a ripoff I can't justify. $100 extra I would do.

Come on Apple, bring your pricing in line with the competition. If their 30" display were at a competitive price, I would buy the whole package today, brand new macbook pro and all. But since their price is so far from competitive, I'm not buying anything.

I just bought my 4th Dell Monitor in the past year - the 30" for $1279 and it ROCKS! You are doing DELL a disservice by describing it as the SAME as Apple's Cinema Display which it is NOT at all.

1. Elevator 18.5" to 22" height adjustment - Apple NONE
2. Swivels 60º either way on amazing quality base - Apple NONE
3. 9-way memory card reader. Apple - NONE
4. 4-Port USB 2 Hub - Apple 2-Port USB 2 Hub but a 2-Port FW Hub DELL is missing - you can buy a 3-port FW Hub for $30
5. Black Frame superior to shiny Aluminum IMHO - doesn't reflect screen in the dark.
6. Same screen manufacturer source - Samsung.
7. It's a no brainer. Buy the DELL and be happy.

 

[tarjan]

Here is what it looks like on my wall. Its a small image, but you get the idea.

 

[mleary]

Started to post some new info, please check out everything at:

http://lartren.com/mac/

I will continue to post updates, and go back and include all the stuff I already posted, etc...

Awesome, thanks - anyone know what the 3dmark scores are on the CD MBPs?

 

[shecky]

Started to post some new info, please check out everything at:

http://lartren.com/mac/

I will continue to post updates, and go back and include all the stuff I already posted, etc...

i say we all chip in and buy this dude something nice.

hot pocket?

land in Montana?

 

[tarjan]

If you want to see what the westy looks like in full res, I took a couple photos on my canon camera in full raw mode. Lens is a 24mm sigma prime so the quality should be spot on.

They are huge so I cant post them here, but if you know where I can post them, I will do so. They ain't perfect though, as I would need to break out the tripod and realistically wait for tomorrow with the sunlight in the room. It's just too dark right now to get a good photo. Flash bounces off the screen too much or you get the hand shakes into the image.

 

[Zadillo]

Started to post some new info, please check out everything at:

http://lartren.com/mac/

I will continue to post updates, and go back and include all the stuff I already posted, etc...

3955 in 3DMark05? Incredible............ the previous MBP was like 2500-2800.

This is great, this is almost up there with what most other PC laptops with normally clocked X1600's get.

 

[macman2790]

Sigh! This is very unfortunate. Is this stupid engineering or what? Why should I pay over $500 for 1 more gig of RAM and end up negating the dual channel 128 bit access benefit?

Should I or shouldn't I????

Please convince me either way.

Thanks.

can someone answer this guy's question, i've been wondering the same thing also?

 

[Multimedia]

tarjan Is Off The Reservation Ignorant

Yes, stores ARE getting glossy screens in. I did confirm that when speaking to the pentagon city mall people.

grappler: if you want the best, get the westinghouse 37w3 and not the dell monitor. its a 37" 1920x1080 monitor that does true 16.7m colors, and can be easily color corrected to a very nice 6500k. The dell and the apple are 262kcolor units with slower refresh rates than the westinghouse. It might be a "tv" but the panel is what matters, and it is awesome. I have the 42" version and LOVE it.

A 37" version as my monotor would just be super cool. cost is 1350 from best buy a few days ago. Find a 10% off coupon or something and you are set.

STOP MISINFORMING MEMBERS

http://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-...r_1/104-0904282-8119933?ie=UTF8&s=electronics


This monitor is top quality??? is that what you are saying... This is just as good as apple's 30 inch cinema display? BUT bigger? and cheaper??

thanks

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT ADVICE.

This guy is telling you to not buy a 2560x1600 pixel monitor for $1279 from DELL and to buy a 1920x1080 Television from Best Buy or Amazon.com for more money instead.

He is telling you to buy a lower reolution Monitor than the Dell 24 $679/Apple 23 $999 1920x1200 monitors.

Compareed to the 30's that's Over 4 Million Pixels of screen real estate to just over 2 Million pixels for more money.

4,096,000
- 2,016,000
__________
2,080,000 fewer pixels of screen space

i.e. the 30" Dells & Apples are more than Twice as BIG as what he is suggesting you buy.

Are you daft? An INSANE suggestion at best. He really needs mental assistance - can we send an ambulance?

 

[Zadillo]

Awesome, thanks - anyone know what the 3dmark scores are on the CD MBPs?

From most reviews I've read, the previous CD MBP's had scores in the 2500-2800 range, generally (some of that difference was in the 128 vs. 256 meg versions).

Note that the previous CD MBP's were also dramatically underclocked though, whereas it appears that these new MBP's are

I'm curious now if someone who gets one of the 128MB base model C2D MBP's will be able to also run 3DMark05 and see what they get.

 

[hardhead89]

I ordered my new Mac Book Pro 17 inch from apple online today. do yo uall think it will really take the estimated 7-10 days to ship out. i was going to try to get one at my apple store but they sold out within a few hours. I am hoping to get it sooner because i cant wait!! what you guys think

 

[Zadillo]

I ordered my new Mac Book Pro 17 inch from apple online today. do yo uall think it will really take the estimated 7-10 days to ship out. i was going to try to get one at my apple store but they sold out within a few hours. I am hoping to get it sooner because i cant wait!! what you guys think

Probably, I've heard that the 17" one was coming out later, so that sounds about right.

 

[hardhead89]

Probably, I've heard that the 17" one was coming out later, so that sounds about right.

this is going to be the longest wait of my life

 

[tarjan]

STOP MISINFORMING MEMBERSPAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT ADVICE.

This guy is telling you to not buy a 2560x1600 pixel monitor for $1279 from DELL and to buy a 1920x1080 Television from Best Buy or Amazon.com for more money instead.

He is telling you to buy a lower reolution Monitor than the Dell 24 $679/Apple 23 $999 1920x1200 monitors.

Compareed to the 30's that's Over 4 Million Pixels of screen real estate to just over 2 Million pixels for more money.

Are you daft? An INSANE suggestion at best. He really needs mental assistance - can we send an ambulance?

No i am not daft, but your message is definitely useless. If you read the rest of the thread where we discussed the differences like grown ups.

Yes, it is lower resolution but the cost vs size issue is nice and some people might like the size more than the ultimate resolution. If you want to play games for the most part, the extra resolution will not be usable in-game as you dont have the power to use it, at least not today in a mbp or even mac pro (at 30+fps with decent gfx options turned on). If you need the resolution, by all means go get the dell. It is one hell of a monitor.

The westy is optimally designed for fast action (low refresh time compared to the dell or the apple) and can support hdmi, dvi, vga and component inputs which make it ideal as a multi-purpose set. It color balances magnificently for work that requires that kind of thing, and the resolution is ideal for hdtv and next generation gaming. It can also be hung on the wall with a standard vesa mount.

As an added bennie, you can tell your wife, girlfriend, mother, boyfriend, husband, lover, dog, cat or whoever controls the money in your house that it is also a new TV and that everyone will love it. Just in case you need that kind of justification. Especially after dropping two+ big ones on your brand new MBP.

 

[bcavanau]

Anyone know the syntax for running super_pi?

I had someone ask the question of how long to do the calculation up to 2 million?

Link to app, if that helps...
ftp://pi.super-computing.org/Mac_OSX

 

[Multimedia]

The Ultimate Gaming Monitor From Westinghouse?

Yes, it is lower resolution but the cost vs size issue is nice and some people might like the size more than the ultimate resolution. If you want to play games for the most part, the extra resolution will not be usable in-game as you dont have the power to use it, at least not today in a mbp or even mac pro (at 30+fps with decent gfx options turned on). If you need the resolution, by all means go get the dell. It is one hell of a monitor.

The westy is optimally designed for fast action (low refresh time compared to the dell or the apple) and can support hdmi, dvi, vga and component inputs which make it ideal as a multi-purpose set. It color balances magnificently for work that requires that kind of thing, and the resolution is ideal for hdtv and next generation gaming. It can also be hung on the wall with a standard vesa mount.

As an added bennie, you can tell your wife, girlfriend, mother, boyfriend, husband, lover, dog, cat or whoever controls the money in your house that it is also a new TV and that everyone will love it. Just in case you need that kind of justification. Especially after dropping two+ big ones on your brand new MBP.

This is all about the ultimate Gaming Monitor?!?!?!

I don't believe where I am - with a bunch of children?