got your C2D MBP? please tell us....

[Aelyrin]

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The pictures I posted are of a Core2 Duo MacBook Pro, not a Core Duo. The comparison image below that is a Rev. C 17" PowerBook. I am typing this post on the new Core2 Duo MacBook Pro and I am still annoyed with the uneveness of backlighting.

It is a 15 INCH C2D that you have posted pictures of. Not a 17inch C2D, some of the other posters/readers here have had some confusion as to what screen they were looking at.

It's important that when posting these sorts of things that you are very clear what MBP you have!

 

[Aelyrin]

The picture shows a row of vents right behind the keyboard, and you can kinda see another row of vents below that. It's much easier to see when you have a MBP in front of you or if you take the hinge off.

I think all the C2D MBPs should have the same venting system. It does explain why the MBPs seem relatively cool. Also, it's not the number of vents that are key, but the fact that the entire back edge of the lappie is now venting to the outside. All the vents have little "fins" in them to stop you from storing say, Cheezits, in your vents

This is postively SPIFFY! Thanks for the image!

 

[fustercluck]

SEAGATE 400GB PATA ST3400632A-RK
Seagate 3.5" PATA Internal Hard Drive:
FRYS.com #: 4596287
PERPENDICULAR RECORDING TECHNOLOGY
UDMA/100 INTERFACE
7200 RPM
16MB BUFFER
RETAIL BOXED HARD DRIVE (INSTALLATION KIT INCLUDED)
5 YEAR WARRANTY

Of course not - you should be using a 4200 rpm drive because as we all know the seek/transfer times are just as quick as the 7200 rpm drive. If not faster.

 

[sycho]

Of course not - you should be using a 4200 rpm drive because as we all know the seek/transfer times are just as quick as the 7200 rpm drive. If not faster.

Wow, you really need to read up on the perpendicular recording doc's.

And your talking about 2 different types of drives.

 

[gmanrique]

lol

Of course not - you should be using a 4200 rpm drive because as we all know the seek/transfer times are just as quick as the 7200 rpm drive. If not faster.

 

[gmanrique]

I should have specified...

that the specs I posted were for an external drive that I am thinking on buying to use with my MBP once it is here next week.

Wow, you really need to read up on the perpendicular recording doc's.

And your talking about 2 different types of drives.

 

[deadpixels]

And lastly - no money taken from my credit card!

Reckon somethings up?

maybe you'll get it for free he he i am just kiddin' mine's on it's way and they charged my credit card e few days before they actually shipped the product, weird ??

 

[fustercluck]

Wow, you really need to read up on the perpendicular recording doc's.

And your talking about 2 different types of drives.

Wow, you need to get your head out of your rear. Seriously. (Wow - some people will believe anything.)

Also: your = possessive; you're = you are

 

[sycho]

Wow, you need to get your head out of your rear. Seriously. (Wow - some people will believe anything.)

Also: your = possessive; you're = you are

Here comes the grammar police.

 

[Regaj]

Core2Duo MBP is the "Bee's Knees"

After six days I can pronounce my 15" MBP (2.33 matte, 3gb, 160) a most outstanding machine!

I bought the first gen MBP back in May - but then ended up returning it a few days later for a refund because of the infamous whine; and secondarily because of the excessive heat it produced. I was unhappy enough with both of those issues to eat the $200 re-stocking fee they hit me with.

My reference machine is my 12" PowerBook, my first Mac and easily the very best computer I've ever owned. I expect this new MBP will probably assume that mantle.

Both the whine and heat issues of the first gen machines have been resolved. The new machine is incredibly quiet. Fan use is minimal and you can hardly hear the 160gb Hitachi drive. It also runs considerably cooler than the first gen machines. It actually runs cooler by 4-6 degrees than my PowerBook - 115 degrees (Farenheit) or so when idling or otherwise doing light work (web browsing, email, Word, etc.). I was able to get it to hit 160 or so when an Xcode installation was indexing its Java documentation (this after a dialog had warned it would take 20 minutes to an hour to perform); and 170 when Aperture was importing several gigabytes of high-resolution digital photos. But for the most part it stays in the one-teens.

I love the (to me, coming from a 12" machine) extra screen real estate, the light-touch keyboard which works great for touch-typing, and the two-finger track pad makes an enormous difference in ergonomic ease.

I do a lot of serious photography processing, work which I do on a desktop Dell. I'm planning on buying a Mac Pro next spring (when Adobe universal binaries are available) and have been planning on migrating my workflow to the Mac then. I'm still expecting to do that, but am sufficiently impressed with the horsepower of this MBP that I might go ahead and start trying some of that work (scanning with my Coolscan 9000, etc.) on my new MBP. I'm really liking this machine.

And who'd have ever thought that the coolest thing about Windows XP would be seeing it appear inside an OS X window?! Adobe wouldn't let me transfer my Dreamweaver license from my PC to my Mac (even though I officially deactivated it from my Dell). To hell with 'em. Thank you Parallels...

 

[YunusEmre]

After six days I can pronounce my 15" MBP (2.33 matte, 3gb, 160) a most outstanding machine!

I bought the first gen MBP back in May - but then ended up returning it a few days later for a refund because of the infamous whine; and secondarily because of the excessive heat it produced. I was unhappy enough with both of those issues to eat the $200 re-stocking fee they hit me with.

My reference machine is my 12" PowerBook, my first Mac and easily the very best computer I've ever owned. I expect this new MBP will probably assume that mantle.

Both the whine and heat issues of the first gen machines have been resolved. The new machine is incredibly quiet. Fan use is minimal and you can hardly hear the 160gb Hitachi drive. It also runs considerably cooler than the first gen machines. It actually runs cooler by 4-6 degrees than my PowerBook - 115 degrees (Farenheit) or so when idling or otherwise doing light work (web browsing, email, Word, etc.). I was able to get it to hit 160 or so when an Xcode installation was indexing its Java documentation (this after a dialog had warned it would take 20 minutes to an hour to perform); and 170 when Aperture was importing several gigabytes of high-resolution digital photos. But for the most part it stays in the one-teens.

I love the (to me, coming from a 12" machine) extra screen real estate, the light-touch keyboard which works great for touch-typing, and the two-finger track pad makes an enormous difference in ergonomic ease.

I do a lot of serious photography processing, work which I do on a desktop Dell. I'm planning on buying a Mac Pro next spring (when Adobe universal binaries are available) and have been planning on migrating my workflow to the Mac then. I'm still expecting to do that, but am sufficiently impressed with the horsepower of this MBP that I might go ahead and start trying some of that work (scanning with my Coolscan 9000, etc.) on my new MBP. I'm really liking this machine.

And who'd have ever thought that the coolest thing about Windows XP would be seeing it appear inside an OS X window?! Adobe wouldn't let me transfer my Dreamweaver license from my PC to my Mac (even though I officially deactivated it from my Dell). To hell with 'em. Thank you Parallels...

Hey thanks for this info. Really happy to hear the problems are fixed. I alo do a lot of photo processing. I am switching to a Mac from a PC and I've already got the CS2 for Mac. I intend to start processing my digital photos on my MBP using CS2. Later when the native one comes out I intend to upgrade to it. I know it is not going to be as fast as it would be on a PC with similar CPU, but I'll be saving time in other ways (such as no more of endless security updates from microsoft) so I am willing to put up with a slower CS2 for a while. I am wondering if anybody has tried running CS2 on a MBP C2D (under Mac OS), I'd appreciate any info. on that.

 

[Multimedia]

12 Vents Not 6 • Thank You miniguu For The Awesome Picture Of All 12 Vents

Well, my point was that you only see half the vents the pics people posted before. There are 12 instead of 6.

The picture shows a row of vents right behind the keyboard, and you can kinda see another row of vents below that. It's much easier to see when you have a MBP in front of you or if you take the hinge off.

I think all the C2D MBPs should have the same venting system. It does explain why the MBPs seem relatively cool. Also, it's not the number of vents that are key, but the fact that the entire back edge of the lappie is now venting to the outside. All the vents have little "fins" in them to stop you from storing say, Cheezits, in your vents

Wow! That view is awesome. Thanks.

 

[Zerocool84]

Bump

 

[countach]

I don't see how a glossy/non-glossy comparison would change characteristics like viewing angles (not because of glare, because of the LCD) or brightness.

A Matte screen is liking looking through a window with a venetian blind. As you change viewing position, the light scattering characteristics and angles change.

 

[freeorangeshoes]

so is it official...200gb drives are PMR? is there any difference in performance between the 200 and 160, assuming the 200 is PMR? ive read conflicting reports. some say that the higher data density of the 200 makes up for the slower speed. whats the consensus?

 

[Majost]

so is it official...200gb drives are PMR? is there any difference in performance between the 200 and 160, assuming the 200 is PMR? ive read conflicting reports. some say that the higher data density of the 200 makes up for the slower speed. whats the consensus?

Yes, they are most certainly PMR. The only 9.5mm high 200GB drives out on the market currently (and just barely out, at that) are PMR. I don't know where the Fujitsu LMR HD rumors came from, but they are flat out wrong (they're 12mm high and wouldn't physically fit).

As for performance, even theoretically, the extra data density doesn't quite make up for the drop in rotational speed. And that only applies when you're reading/writing large consecutive blocks of data. In real life, your HD head scrubs back and forth across the drive fairly often, so the access and seek times are typically just as (if not more) important. If you're really concerned about speed, get the 160GB. If you're really concerned about space, get the 200. If you're just looking for the best overall value, the 160's probably your best bet.

 

[freeorangeshoes]

Yes, they are most certainly PMR. The only 9.5mm high 200GB drives out on the market currently (and just barely out, at that) are PMR. I don't know where the Fujitsu LMR HD rumors came from, but they are flat out wrong (they're 12mm high and wouldn't physically fit).

As for performance, even theoretically, the extra data density doesn't quite make up for the drop in rotational speed. And that only applies when you're reading/writing large consecutive blocks of data. In real life, your HD head scrubs back and forth across the drive fairly often, so the access and seek times are typically just as (if not more) important. If you're really concerned about speed, get the 160GB. If you're really concerned about space, get the 200. If you're just looking for the best overall value, the 160's probably your best bet.

great post, thanks.

 

[fustercluck]

Yes, they are most certainly PMR. The only 9.5mm high 200GB drives out on the market currently (and just barely out, at that) are PMR. I don't know where the Fujitsu LMR HD rumors came from, but they are flat out wrong (they're 12mm high and wouldn't physically fit).

As for performance, even theoretically, the extra data density doesn't quite make up for the drop in rotational speed. And that only applies when you're reading/writing large consecutive blocks of data. In real life, your HD head scrubs back and forth across the drive fairly often, so the access and seek times are typically just as (if not more) important. If you're really concerned about speed, get the 160GB. If you're really concerned about space, get the 200. If you're just looking for the best overall value, the 160's probably your best bet.

Amen. Finally someone who makes sense.

 

[Multimedia]

I Like The Toshiba 200 PMR

so is it official...200gb drives are PMR? is there any difference in performance between the 200 and 160, assuming the 200 is PMR? ive read conflicting reports. some say that the higher data density of the 200 makes up for the slower speed. whats the consensus?

I don't know about consensus. I think the 200 is almost as fast as the 160. Plus runs cooler. Yes it's Toshiba PMR for sure. I value space over speed.

 

[hqsbud]

I am wondering if anybody has tried running CS2 on a MBP C2D (under Mac OS), I'd appreciate any info. on that.

I had a 15" 1.5GHz Powerbook G4 on which I use Photoshop CS2 on photos nearly every day. I just swapped it for a 15" 2.33GHz MacBook Pro. Both machines have 2GB RAM. I can offer no benchmarks; only overall feel. Scrolling images around is considerably faster on the MacBook Pro. Filters seem to be slightly faster on the MacBook Pro. Painting with large brushes is quite smooth on the MacBook Pro, where it was very stuttery with the Powerbook G4.

Nothing I've done with Photoshop CS2 on the MacBook Pro feels slower than it did on the Powerbook G4. So I'm quite happy. I've also been using Adobe Lightroom B4 which is a universal binary, and it feels immensely faster for me than it was on the Powerbook G4.

 

[akadmon]

Can an Apple product be returned for a refund, "No Questions Asked"?

You were looking at the old CD screen not the new C2D one. This was a problem exactly 3 years ago with the first 15" Aluminium 1.25GHz PB. I know 'cause I had one like it. Sent it in for screen replacement and it came back fine. Thought they had learned from that experience how to not let this happen again.

You guys are scaring me! Now I'm afraid of getting a 17 incher with a display that I am not completely happy with, but which may fall within the Apple "norm".

So, based on your past experience, what are my chances of getting a full refund (no restocking fee bull-crap!) if I'm simply not happy with my Mac? I'm getting a stock 17" MBP.

 

[deadpixels]

You guys are scaring me! Now I'm afraid of getting a 17 incher with a display that I am not completely happy with, but which may fall within the Apple "norm".

So, based on your past experience, what are my chances of getting a full refund (no restocking fee bull-crap!) if I'm simply not happy with my Mac? I'm getting a stock 17" MBP.

til this summer i owned a 1.25ghz alu powerbook so maybe i can answer, you will most likely not get a full refund for an uneven screen brightness, i remember that it took a while before apple agreed that the blotches / uneven brightness was actually a problem and started offering to replace screens for free, and at that time there was lot of people with the problem. so unless it is really bad and/or many are complaining with the same problem, u'll probablt not get a full refund, but hey you should be optimistic and not worry yet

 

[Multimedia]

CS2 Performance Under Rosetta on C2D MBP Is Good

I had a 15" 1.5GHz Powerbook G4 on which I use Photoshop CS2 on photos nearly every day. I just swapped it for a 15" 2.33GHz MacBook Pro. Both machines have 2GB RAM. I can offer no benchmarks; only overall feel. Scrolling images around is considerably faster on the MacBook Pro. Filters seem to be slightly faster on the MacBook Pro. Painting with large brushes is quite smooth on the MacBook Pro, where it was very stuttery with the Powerbook G4.

Nothing I've done with Photoshop CS2 on the MacBook Pro feels slower than it did on the Powerbook G4. So I'm quite happy. I've also been using Adobe Lightroom B4 which is a universal binary, and it feels immensely faster for me than it was on the Powerbook G4.

That's what I thought it would be. The is the first positive report I've seen that CS2 runs acceptably fast on a MacIntel. Thanks for that.

 

[Multimedia]

Only 1 More Day 'Til C2D MacBooks Are Announced, I Think

So tomorrow Tuesday November 7 will be MacBook and mini C2D release day, I think. Anyone else believe that?

No way Apple is going to announce new products this Tuesday as it's U.S. general elections.

I forgot about that. You're right. Maybe Wednesday or Thursday.

 

[funjon]

So tomorrow Tuesday November 7 will be MacBook and mini C2D release day, I think. Anyone else believe that?

sheesh, dont spin up another assembly line, my 17" mbp hasnt left china yet