got your C2D MBP? please tell us....

[smueboy]

So, now that the C2D Macbooks are out, i see that they are using 1.83 or 2.0GHz chips, which should thankfully not affect shipping of the 2.16 or 2.33 C2D MBP's.

 

[asondica]

So, now that the C2D Macbooks are out, i see that they are using 1.83 or 2.0GHz chips, which should thankfully not affect shipping of the 2.16 or 2.33 C2D MBP's.

however, the new mb's mark quite an interesting change in stance. between the mbp and the mb --- in terms of once-upgraded capabilities, there's hardly much to differentiate the two. in so far as most of us go, there's just the GPU and 330MHz CPU difference, the fw800 and the backlit keyboard.

hardly anyone uses dual link dvi.
heck, hardly anyone uses fw800 even, but it's there anyway. (i do, though)
the 17 has a third usb.. but.. the 17 is nowhere to be found anyway :S
there's hardly any useful expresscard products out there.
and the ones that -are- out there.. are too pricey or stick out.
(i.e. i've not seen anyone using one yet)

finally, you could say that screen size is a difference, but 15 inch is a very standard display size across the industry, so i'd say that doesn't directly correlate to the "pro" title.

*shrug*

 

[Zadillo]

however, the new mb's mark quite an interesting change in stance. between the mbp and the mb --- in terms of once-upgraded capabilities, there's hardly much to differentiate the two. in so far as most of us go, there's just the GPU and 330MHz CPU difference, the fw800 and the backlit keyboard.

hardly anyone uses dual link dvi.
heck, hardly anyone uses fw800 even, but it's there anyway. (i do, though)
the 17 has a third usb.. but.. the 17 is nowhere to be found anyway :S
there's hardly any useful expresscard products out there.
and the ones that -are- out there.. are too pricey or stick out.
(i.e. i've not seen anyone using one yet)

finally, you could say that screen size is a difference, but 15 inch is a very standard display size across the industry, so i'd say that doesn't directly correlate to the "pro" title.

*shrug*

I'm not sure how unique this is to Apple. Looking at, say, Dell's low end budget line and their Latitude line, for example, a lot of the basic specs and features are also very similar.

I'm not sure what other areas one would expect the pro line to be differentiated, really.

 

[shecky]

the pro line has over the macbook:

-bigger screen
-better screen (better viewing angle, etc..)
-FW800
-video card
-bigger and faster hard drives
-faster processors
-3/4 expresscard slot
-more RAM capability
-different (some say better) keyboard
-different (some say better) enclosure


i would say those are significant.

 

[asondica]

the pro line has over the macbook:

-bigger screen
-better screen (better viewing angle, etc..)
-FW800
-video card
-bigger and faster hard drives
-faster processors
-3/4 expresscard slot
-more RAM capability
-different (some say better) keyboard
-different (some say better) enclosure
i would say those are significant.

Ah - I didn't even think of the screen viewing angle. I guess I just have hardly used a macbook yet, even as I'm such an apple geek. no time

And the hdd's are the same, actually. As I mentioned, the once-upgraded capabilities. And as for the express - I commented there already. I know one person who uses it. Just one. I used PCMCIA for compactflash, but.. well, not now since it'd jut out and costs so much.

RAM: forgot that. sorry. 600 dollars though, EEP

better enclosure? nay. dents so easily. looks prettier to some, perhaps. but does that qualify it as a better machine (which was my initial focus)

keyboard - again, i've hardly used the macbooks, but i have heard this, so yeah.. sure, you got me there

I'm not sure how unique this is to Apple. Looking at, say, Dell's low end budget line and their Latitude line, for example, a lot of the basic specs and features are also very similar.

I'm not sure what other areas one would expect the pro line to be differentiated, really.

Other way around I was thinking.
Lower the cost of the Macbook by taking away the unnecessary things like optical audio and.. well.. I doubt anyone would like Core Solo.. so.. *shrug* i guess there isn't much else there either. my foot is in my mouth

 

[iW00t]

If heating and mooing are your chief concerns then you'd be very happy with this rev, at least I am

Only thing that bugs me is when the CPU is remotely being utilised the fans will start spinning up, which means I can't use Omniweb with peace currently (somehow Omniweb uses up 100% of your CPU due to a bug at the moment). Between a computer that dies prematurely due to heat and one that is slightly noisy when busy I'd take the latter, but some might think otherwise.

 

[SLAPSHOTW]

Don't forget the ability on the MacBook Pro to have a matte screen. While I still haven't decided which I like better (though yesterday, I put in my order for 15" 2.33/2gb RAM/200 GB Hard Drive with the matte screen), there are some graphics professionals that absolutely can't use the glossy. They are forced to upgrade to the MBP as well.

 

[dillacom]

Noticed something interesting, if you log into the normal apple store, shipping on the 15 is 1-3 days, the edu institutional store shows 2-3 weeks, thats BS. I can understand doing that for orders placed with that that shipping from the get go, but it was 3-5 days when I ordered they then pushed me bak to 2-3 weeks after the 5 days were already up. Sorry to the other edu folks, but it looks like you should be prepared for your orders to be delayed if they havent already.

Yeah, I ordered mine on Oct. 13th!!! It is not supposed to ship till the 17th of this month, that is complete BS! I understood because of the bump up on the C2D but I can still order one today via the regular store and still get it before mine ships. I won't be surprised if it gets pushed back once again.

 

[Multimedia]

A Very Thoughtful Post • Don't Be Angry. Be Joyful And Happy!

Your anger would be well justified if we were taking Apples and Apples, so to speak. But the MacBook has reportedly been made by Asustek and the MBP by Quanta, and now Foxconn has been thrown into the mix.

The machines also have different processors and different displays, and probably different batteries--each which can bring with them their own supply nightmares. If you have ever been involved in manufacturing, you'll know how a shortage of just one little tiny part can totally screw up your best plans.

On the plus side, you are getting an incredible machine, so hopefully, the wait will be worth it.

Thank you for those words of wisdom and reason. I find it very difficult to understand anger in anyone's mind right now. Isn't it enough that Apple has brought all the mobiles to C2D for ordering in record time? The C2D MacBooks are in all the Apple Stores today in quantity. Be happy for their customers as you can be for yourselves to be able to both afford and possess such a miracle of modern innovation soon enough.

 

[funjon]

Thank you for those words of wisdom and reason. I find it very difficult to understand anger in anyone's mind right now. Isn't it enough that Apple has brought all the mobiles to C2D for ordering in record time? The C2D MacBooks are in all the Apple Stores today in quantity. Be happy for their customers as you can be for yourselves to be able to both afford and possess such a miracle of modern innovation soon enough.

As I've told several people, the fact that my Macbook's delivery date slipped is annoying. Frustrating and annoying.

The fact that Apple waited until 5PM (end of business day) on the 10th business day after purchase is what absolutely infuriates me. The shortages they have incurred are things they would've known about earlier (remember, they notified Europe at 2-3AM PST, or 10-11AM GMT, yesterday), and could've notified us sooner.

It's a piss-poor example of customer service from a products-and-services company. This could've been handled -much- better.

I've been an indirect Mac user for almost 15 years now. My middle/high school had Macs in the labs. My college (Drexel University) was one of the first Mac deployment sites, getting macintoshes in late 1983. I've owned a Mac Mini for testing work stuff since shortly after the original G4 mini's were sold. But now I'm buying a 17" MBP, to replace my work-issued piece-of-crap Dell, and to be my primary machine for daily use. This is, in effect, me finally "switching". This is a really depressing beginning to a relationship with Apple.

 

[Multimedia]

Another Misguided Deluded BLIND Member

however, the new mb's mark quite an interesting change in stance. between the mbp and the mb --- in terms of once-upgraded capabilities, there's hardly much to differentiate the two.

NOT.

in so far as most of us go, there's just the GPU and 330MHz CPU difference, the fw800 and the backlit keyboard.

Oh is that all? Not exactly.

hardly anyone uses dual link dvi.

@ $1278 from DELL, 30" Monitors are about to become extremely popular in 2007. Plus a LOT of Pros already have one or two already. You are out of touch with those pros who do.

heck, hardly anyone uses fw800 even, but it's there anyway. (i do, though)

Oh I see. You are the only one who uses FW800 and that's why the tens of thousands of complaints from the Pro cusotmers for it not being in Rev A were heeded by Apple.

the 17 has a third usb.. but.. the 17 is nowhere to be found anyway :S

That's relevant.

there's hardly any useful expresscard products out there.
and the ones that -are- out there.. are too pricey or stick out. (i.e. i've not seen anyone using one yet)

Yes ExpressCard/34 products should be FREE and not priced so these innovative small businesses might make a few dollars on each one. You are really out of line man.

finally, you could say that screen size is a difference, but 15 inch is a very standard display size across the industry, so i'd say that doesn't directly correlate to the "pro" title.

I think you're full of it.

 

[sblasl]

1 Week Anniversary!!

Well I have had my perfect (and I do mean Perfect) MBP for 1 week now. No issues or flaws and could not be happier! I am glad I hung in there and waited to pull the trigger to make my purchase.

Order Date: Oct 24, 2006 at 07:17 AM PST
Shipped on: Oct 29, 2006 at 01:38 AM via FedEx (2 Day Shipping)
Delivered on: Nov 1, 2006 at 10:27 AM CST

Custom configuration
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
SuperDrive 6X
15" Widescreen Display (matte)
BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
Country Kit

 

[smueboy]

As I've told several people, the fact that my Macbook's delivery date slipped is annoying. Frustrating and annoying.

The fact that Apple waited until 5PM (end of business day) on the 10th business day after purchase is what absolutely infuriates me. The shortages they have incurred are things they would've known about earlier (remember, they notified Europe at 2-3AM PST, or 10-11AM GMT, yesterday), and could've notified us sooner.

I agree, Apples inability to meet shipping dates is poor, but waiting until the last moment to change the date is really poor. Even worse, the day on which you order doesn't really seem to correlate with the ship date (even when you take the specs into consideration) - so it puzzles me how they queue their orders, and what is prioritised.

I'm sitting with a ship date of Nov 8. It's currently 4:55pm pst, and it has not shipped. I wonder what will happen?

 

[Garden Knowm]

I find it very difficult to understand anger in anyone's mind right now.

Me too..

that being said.. Are you ok with APPLE blatantly lying on the website... saying 17 inch MBPs ship in 7-10 days...

yet when "you" order ... the shipping time is 10-15 days...

THAT's poor business practice... that's called misleading the buyer.... and it gets worse.. and you know it does!!!! iloveyou

but there is never a reason to GET mad.. maybe just experience a bit of anger.... iloveyou

I wonder how STEVE J. would feel if his girl friends PERIOD was 2 weeks late?

iloveyou

 

[Regaj]

According to Macworld, the new C2D MBPs are not that much cooler than their hot-headed predecessors: http://www.macworld.com/2006/11/firstlooks/mbptemps/index.php?lsrc=mwrss.

Maybe those often-photographed, proudly displayed and enthusiastically acclaimed rear-end vents are not quite as revolutionary as certain multi-media types around here believe them to be

Actually, those vents, along with the other changes in the new C2D MBP's, make a lot of difference.

Thanks for the link. But it's clear that Macworld is testing maximum or nearly maximum temps (achievable by maxing the CPU), not the routine temperatures that most users will experience most of the time.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I bought the 1st-gen MBP back in May, only to return it a few days later because of the infamous whine and excessive heat. It's important to understand that that machine routinely ran very hot, even when doing light-duty things like email, web surfing, working in Word, etc. Sorry I didn't get any actual readings (was not running Core Duo Temp), but it ran hot enough that it emitted a burning smell, was uncomfortable to hold, and gave me clear pause that it would ever be a reliable, long-term machine. I was disturbed enough by those things to eat the $200 restocking fee that Apple hit me with.

I can certainly hit those high temps with my new C2D MBP - hammer the CPU hard with Aperture or another heavy duty app and it will quickly get up to 170 or thereabouts. But as soon as you give the CPU a little relief the temp quickly comes back down.

Bottom line: Most people run light duty stuff most of the time. Those running the new C2D MBP will experience significantly cooler running temps than those first adopters who bought the 1st-gen MBP.

 

[sblasl]

I Don't Really Care To Know

I wonder how STEVE J. would feel if his girl friends PERIOD was 2 weeks late?

I really don't care to know, nor do I understand what relevance that would have with this topic.

 

[Garden Knowm]

I really don't care to know, nor do I understand what relevance that would have with this topic.

You don't understand? Nor do you care? oh.. ok.. Were you an ostrich in your last life time? Do you understand that?

iloveyou


BTW - when you do "understand" you will laugh.. cause it is funny...

iloveyou

 

[Operator911]

Hey MacAdmin,
I'd have to echo your disgruntlement at being put off. I placed my order through the educational store (institutional) at my University on October 25th, for a 15" C2D 2.33GHz/2GB/160GB and originally had a ship date of November 6th.
Now I got a letter stating that they were pushing the ship date off to November 30th!!!!
Over a month to even SHIP my order from the educational store when everyone else has been telling their joyful stories of receipt of their macbook pros within a far shorter period of time!!!!
What a joke!

Operator911

mine said "interesting"




I would be ok with that, but they are shipping orders placed long after mine. So there seems to be no shortage of screws.

 

[Interventionist]

MBP by Quanta

Your anger would be well justified if we were taking Apples and Apples, so to speak. But the MacBook has reportedly been made by Asustek and the MBP by Quanta, and now Foxconn has been thrown into the mix.


Recession? I don't know why people say there's a recession," says Barry Lam, the world's little-known king of notebook computers. "We've been working overtime for many weeks. We have a huge backlog, and customers are pushing us for earlier delivery."

Lam is the billionaire founder and chairman of Taiwan's Quanta Computer. He'll be disappointed if he doesn't ship 4 million notebook units this year—one seventh of all those sold on earth and up 50% from last year. Quanta makes more notebooks than anyone else, but you've probably never heard of it. You do know its customers: Dell, Compaq, Gateway, Apple, HP, IBM, Sony, Sharp, Fujitsu, Siemens.

Read the rest here http://www.forbes.com/global/2001/0402/024.html

I realized after posting that the article was dated, however still an education for those who would'nt otherwise know, me included. Could very well be the same scenario

 

[kristiano]

My college (Drexel University) was one of the first Mac deployment sites, getting macintoshes in late 1983.

How did you get Macintoshes in '83 when they were only unveiled to the public in Jan '84?

 

[funjon]

How did you get Macintoshes in '83 when they were only unveiled to the public in Jan '84?

You know, in 1983, I was 4 years old. I have no idea.

All I know is that the Computer Science department has several pictures of professors and students huddled around Mac 128k's in the Korman Center, dated sometime in late 1983, September or October if I remember correctly.

I haven't been in the building in 7 years, but those pictures are one of the things I remember very clearly (probably because they were pointed out so. blasted. often. )

 

[Garden Knowm]

I think it was 2 days after the Super Bowl.. 1984.. I went to Macy's with my MOM.. she bought the MACintosh... No HD.. just a screen with a disk drive...

She also bought me "load runner".. it came with software... Mac Paint, Mac Write and maybe one or 2 more pieces of software..
cheers

It was the first day the computer was released!

 

[funjon]

I think it was 2 days after the Super Bowl.. 1984.. I went to Macy's with my MOM.. she bought the MACintosh... No HD.. just a screen with a disk drive...

She also bought me "load runner".. it came with software... Mac Paint, Mac Write and maybe one or 2 more pieces of software..
cheers

It was the first day the computer was released!

Yes, I know, I'm with you. January 24, 1984.

But I know what I saw. A big picture that had been blown up to about 36"x24". You could tell it was a 128k Mac. And the date read (some month of fall) 1983 - Drexel Computer Science Department.

One of these days I'll get back to Philadelphia and take a picture of the picture, if it's still there.

 

[guasmoa]

I'm proud to say that I received my MBP 15" 2.33/120GB/Glossy today. Mine has the Perpendicular Hitachi Drive. It's absolutely amazing, only thing that I found wrong was a single dead pixel. It's hardly noticeable to me at all.



One dead pixel, small, red and barely noticeable, do you guys think this is an issue I should take up with my local AppleStore, or just not worry about it at all?

 

[funjon]

I'm proud to say that I received my MBP 15" 2.33/120GB/Glossy today. Mine has the Perpendicular Hitachi Drive. It's absolutely amazing, only thing that I found wrong was a single dead pixel. It's hardly noticeable to me at all.



One dead pixel, small, red and barely noticeable, do you guys think this is an issue I should take up with my local AppleStore, or just not worry about it at all?

Unless it was really, really bright and annoying right in the middle of the screen, I wouldn't bother. I think that's the only way you'd get them to do anything about it (and in that case, they'll have to send your baby away for repair ).

Oh, and you suck, says the (im)patient yet-to-be-owner of a 17" MBP